MD US News 2022 Ranking

[khichadi]

US News Medical school ranking for 2022 came out ...
2022

https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-medical-schools/research-rankings?_mode=table

2021

The Best Medical Schools for Research, Ranked

Interested in medical research? These are the best places to get your graduate degree.

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Many top 10 are not 10 any more (WashU, Mayo, UCLA, etc..)

Any thoughts or comments?

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[SurfingDoctor]

Ha... those rankings are such hot garbage. It's literally just a list of discretionary spending and endowments.

I'm sure I'll get some email from administration within the day though how we moved up 7 spots and how they want my financial support to get us to break the top 10.

To answer your question though, the answer is in the methodology section:

Total federal research activity (0.25): This is measured by the total dollar amount of federal (direct costs) grants and contracts recorded at each medical school and its affiliates, plus the total federal grants and contracts (facilities and administrative costs) at each medical school and its affiliates for 2019. Previously, this indicator was based solely on National Institutes of Health, or NIH, grants.

Do you know how much BARDA, DARPA and the CDC fund? It's not insignificant. If that wasn't previously reported, that could change the positions quite a bit. In addition, the indirect costs vary heavily between institutions, but they say they look at total amount (direct and indirect). Thus, if institution X charges X% more to flush the toilets than institution Y, they just got a boost in the rankings.

 

[Lucca]

hopkins stock is being shorted by wall st, buy buy buy

 

[Reckoner]

A lot of people don't want you to know this OP, but these rankings are fed into the Basic Universal Learning and Licensing Scaled Hierarchical Indexing Tool, which divides your clerkship grades, step scores, etc by your school's ranking before residency directors see your application. This is why you should only be satisfied going to Harvard and not some backwoods program like UPenn (#7, can you imagine?)

 

[Lawpy]

Harvard is #1 and that's all that matters

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

Harvard is #1 and that's all that matters

Easy to be number 1 when you count funding from like 5 different locations.

 

[wondervisions]

Harvard is #1 and that's all that matters

You ignorant peasant, how else are premeds going to decide whether to go to Columbia or Duke? Rankings are all there is. Rankings are everything.

 

[SurfingDoctor]

I mean, it was an easy decision for me. Whichever institution was most in need of an international airport...

 

[celtic6643]

I tried to get this answered on another thread but it broke out into a bit of a disagreement on something else and I got ignored 😂. Hopefully I have better luck this time, but why are the research rankings the ones people seem to go by and obsess over and not the primary care rankings?

 

[SurfingDoctor]

I tried to get this answered on another thread but it broke out into a bit of a disagreement on something else and I got ignored 😂. Hopefully I have better luck this time, but why are the research rankings the ones people seem to go by and obsess over and not the primary care rankings?

Because generally speaking (and from an institutional income standpoint)... research dollars usually mean more academic clout and can generate more endowments to the institution.

 

[celtic6643]

Because generally speaking (and from an institutional income standpoint)... research dollars usually mean more academic clout and can generate more endowments to the institution.

Thanks for this answer, makes sense!

 

[khichadi]

Because generally speaking (and from an institutional income standpoint)... research dollars usually mean more academic clout and can generate more endowments to the institution.

Does it also mean Kids from those school go to more specialty instead of family medicine?

 

[SurfingDoctor]

Does it also mean Kids from those school go to more specialty instead of family medicine?

From a research ranking standpoint? Probably. You’d have look at the data yourself, but it’s out there if you wanted to know.

 

[Lucca]

Does it also mean Kids from those school go to more specialty instead of family medicine?

you can look at the match list thread and get a sense of this for yourself. In my experience, I dont see a difference really in the rate of students that go into specialties vs. FM across medical schools, broadly speaking. It's also v difficukt to differentiate folks going into IM/Peds/ObGyn/Psych intending on primary care vs. specialist practice in the long run.

 

[SurfingDoctor]

Ha... those rankings are such hot garbage. It's literally just a list of discretionary spending and endowments.

I'm sure I'll get some email from administration within the day though how we moved up 7 spots and how they want my financial support to get us to break the top 10.

To answer your question though, the answer is in the methodology section:


Do you know how much BARDA, DARPA and the CDC fund? It's not insignificant. If that wasn't previously reported, that could change the positions quite a bit. In addition, the indirect costs vary heavily between institutions, but they say they look at total amount (direct and indirect). Thus, if institution X charges X% more to flush the toilets than institution Y, they just got a boost in the rankings.

Literally 47 minutes short of the 24 hour mark of that post.

 

[Animalcules]

This is such garbage, especially knowing how places like Mayo and CC have lobbied USWNR for years to change the way they calculate hospital rankings which - oh what surprise - resulted in Mayo and CC jumping to the top.

It has nothing to do with quality. It is like the sad state of American politics. The richest institutions put more money into lobbying to then drive recognition for their product.

Let's face is. USWNR does not want to help you decide where to go, they want to make money.

 

[aldol16]

In the past several years, I've seen wayyyyy too much jumping around on these rankings for them to mean anything. Change doesn't happen in the medical world fast enough for these schools to actually be jumping around this much. As others have said, it's due to the methodology changes and the lobbies. Totally useless as a tool. If I were picking med schools this year, I would go to the match lists and pick solely based on that.

 

[beattheprocess]

Oh damn NYU got up there

 

[ohmanwaddup]

Whats with all the easter basket stuff? is this an april fools prank?

residents

lol it is. fantastic

 

[SweetBurger]

my school moved up 5 spots guys what do i do with this information?!?/111?!?!1111!!!!

 

[NotAProgDirector]

my school moved up 5 spots guys what do i do with this information?!?/111?!?!1111!!!!

You get the honor of an increase in your tuition since it's obvious to everyone that the school is better now.

 

[Dantes]

You get the honor of an increase in your tuition since it's obvious to everyone that the school is better now.

The best part is it can go both ways! My school dropped a couple spots. Better raise tuition to get more funding to pump that ranking and prestige up

 

[Redpancreas]

What these rankings determine are an institution's 1.) motivation and 2.) ability to promote themselves. After the top 25 (or 26), the name recognition's lost and it's all gravy anyways.

 

[srirachamayonnaise]

What really matters is that in medicine only three names really matter. HMS, Hopkins and UCSF, due to CULT.

 

[The Med-Peds Dude]

Overs have said this so well - these ratings, as with the hospital ratings, have nothing to do with your typical experience as a student, or patient.