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According to the 2007 edition, the average numbers for acceptance to med school for 2005 where a 32 MCAT and a 3.63 overall GPA. Are the numbers getting higher every year or is it just me? I remember the good numbers in years past were a 30+ on the MCAT and a 3.5+ for acceptance.

 

[zero2hero]

More people applying every year = more competition. In the end theres many more qualified people for spots in each school. With the shortage of doctors in the next few years I think more schools are gonna increase class size. I think Stonybrook is increasing soon.

 

[Law2Doc]

According to the 2007 edition, the average numbers for acceptance to med school for 2005 where a 32 MCAT and a 3.63 overall GPA. Are the numbers getting higher every year or is it just me? I remember the good numbers in years past were a 30+ on the MCAT and a 3.5+ for acceptance.

Look at the bright side -- at the rate it's going it can only increase another 6-7 years before it maxes out at 4.0/43.

 

[NapeSpikes]

Dang, average 32? That means it's probably close to 33 for this incoming class. 😱

 

[sanford_w/o_son]

According to the 2007 edition, the average numbers for acceptance to med school for 2005 where a 32 MCAT and a 3.63 overall GPA. Are the numbers getting higher every year or is it just me? I remember the good numbers in years past were a 30+ on the MCAT and a 3.5+ for acceptance.

32? wasn't it recently 29? that's worrisome. i guess maybe now i'll buy the rag to look at the numbers. shoulda applied a couple years ago . . .

 

[Rafa]

Aah - more people are taking Adderall, I see.

 

[NonTradMed]

According to the 2007 edition, the average numbers for acceptance to med school for 2005 where a 32 MCAT and a 3.63 overall GPA. Are the numbers getting higher every year or is it just me? I remember the good numbers in years past were a 30+ on the MCAT and a 3.5+ for acceptance.

Well, I always assumed that the average number is different from the 'rule of thumb' numbers. Rule of thumb is 3.5+ and 30, meaning that is minimal to be generally considered competitive and will probably get you in. The average would be those that met the minimal 'rule of thumb' standards PLUS people whose numbers were above them, hence matriculated stats would be higher than the general minimal considered to be good to go for med school.

Or....maybe I'm just smoking something and everyone's brain size got bigger. 😀

 

[jebus]

Or....maybe I'm just smoking something and everyone's brain size got bigger. 😀

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/30/science/30brain.html?incamp=article_popular
Naw, they've just been developing differently.

 

[RayhanS1282]

It's the fluoride in the water I tell ya. The government is putting it in there and when people drink the water, the government gains access into their bodies via microscopic nanites. These nanites then assist kids grow more neurons and get smart. Then these kids go and take MCATs and kick our asses.

 

[nibrocli]

According to the 2007 edition, the average numbers for acceptance to med school for 2005 where a 32 MCAT and a 3.63 overall GPA.

where did you find this data? i have the premium subscription, but i can't find this overall data. i can only find it per school.

 

[cgk]

where did you find this data? i have the premium subscription, but i can't find this overall data. i can only find it per school.

If you have the premium edition, could you please type out the rest of the rankings #51-62. Much appreciated!

 

[nibrocli]

If you have the premium edition, could you please type out the rest of the rankings #51-62. Much appreciated!

sure:

54
medical college of wisconsin
u. of connecticut

56
u. of miami

57
jefferson
umdnj-rwj
ut-houston
u. of arizona
ut-galveston

62
rush
st. louis univ.
u of illinois-chicago

 

[NapeSpikes]

where did you find this data? i have the premium subscription, but i can't find this overall data. i can only find it per school.

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/grad/articles/brief/gbhealthcareers.b_brief.php

 

[nibrocli]

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/grad/articles/brief/gbhealthcareers.b_brief.php

thanks, i just had to see the 32 for myself! pretty crazy that just a couple years ago it was a 29.

 

[nosugrefneb]

According to the 2007 edition, the average numbers for acceptance to med school for 2005 where a 32 MCAT and a 3.63 overall GPA. Are the numbers getting higher every year or is it just me? I remember the good numbers in years past were a 30+ on the MCAT and a 3.5+ for acceptance.

Does it give the median too? I think these numbers are probably a bit skewed by the handful of folks who were accepted with 40+ MCATs and/or 4.0 GPAs. I doubt there were as many people who were accepted on the lower end...say, 25 MCATs and/or 3.0 GPAs, for instance. Those top outliers probably drive the average up a bit, so I'd imagine the median may actually be closer to 30 and 3.5 than those figures would indicate, especially since we all KNOW there are more folks accepted with MCATs hovering around 30 than hovering around 40...

 

[eastsidaz]

Does it give the median too? I think these numbers are probably a bit skewed by the handful of folks who were accepted with 40+ MCATs and/or 4.0 GPAs. I doubt there were as many people who were accepted on the lower end...say, 25 MCATs and/or 3.0 GPAs, for instance. Those top outliers probably drive the average up a bit, so I'd imagine the median may actually be closer to 30 and 3.5 than those figures would indicate, especially since we all KNOW there are more folks accepted with MCATs hovering around 30 than hovering around 40...

That's a good point. There's a score range of about 11 points above that (up to 43) of the people who get in. But almost no one gets in if they're even 6 points below it. Then again, looking at the MCAT scoring distribution, and considering the high number of URMs who are admitted with low scores, it's frightening that the average is that high.

 

[cgk]

sure:

54
medical college of wisconsin
u. of connecticut

56
u. of miami

57
jefferson
umdnj-rwj
ut-houston
u. of arizona
ut-galveston

62
rush
st. louis univ.
u of illinois-chicago

Is that the ranking for research or primary care? Do you have the other list 51-62? Thanks for your trouble.

 

[DrHuang]

Is that the ranking for research or primary care? Do you have the other list 51-62? Thanks for your trouble.

those are research

 

[medhacker]

and considering the high number of URMs who are admitted with low scores

Source please?

 

[Rafa]

... and considering the high number of URMs who are admitted with low scores...

Do I smell a scapegoat?

 

[Dave_D]

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/grad/articles/brief/gbhealthcareers.b_brief.php

I just checked and I have to think usnews is just wrong.(Hey, this re-app has got to have his hopes doesn't he?) I mean here's AAMC data
http://www.aamc.org/data/facts/2005/2005mcatgpa.htm and I added their numbers. I got an average matriculant total of 30.2 so I figure someone just dropped a zero, not that the average jumped up 2 full points.

 

[NapeSpikes]

I just checked and I have to think usnews is just wrong.(Hey, this re-app has got to have his hopes doesn't he?) I mean here's AAMC data
http://www.aamc.org/data/facts/2005/2005mcatgpa.htm and I added their numbers. I got an average matriculant total of 30.2 so I figure someone just dropped a zero, not that the average jumped up 2 full points.

Hmm. I'd trust AAMC over US News for these matters.

The only thing I could think of is that some schools who have lower numbers did not fill out their US News surveys and were not included in the reported averages?

 

[dr.z]

According to the 2007 edition, the average numbers for acceptance to med school for 2005 where a 32 MCAT and a 3.63 overall GPA. Are the numbers getting higher every year or is it just me? I remember the good numbers in years past were a 30+ on the MCAT and a 3.5+ for acceptance.

 

[sanford_w/o_son]

Hmm. I'd trust AAMC over US News for these matters.

The only thing I could think of is that some schools who have lower numbers did not fill out their US News surveys and were not included in the reported averages?

this sounds reasonable

 

[potato51]

I don't believe it. A 32 sounds way too high for the average.

 

[potato51]

sure:

54
medical college of wisconsin
u. of connecticut

56
u. of miami

57
jefferson
umdnj-rwj
ut-houston
u. of arizona
ut-galveston

62
rush
st. louis univ.
u of illinois-chicago

Interesting. UTMB Galveston finally submitted its info to the rankings. And it's what I've suspected - it was always at UT Houston's rank or higher.

 

[notdeadyet]

The only thing I could think of is that some schools who have lower numbers did not fill out their US News surveys and were not included in the reported averages?

I think you're right. You notice that lots of the schools that do not participate in USN&WR surveys are doing so for a reason. I'm sure some don't participate on ethical grounds, but others do so because of low stats or probations.

Well spotted...

 

[nibrocli]

Is that the ranking for research or primary care? Do you have the other list 51-62? Thanks for your trouble.

no problem. the previous list was for research. the following is primary care:

52
evms
jefferson
uc-irvine
u. of florida
wash u. st. louis

57
mayo
medical u. of south carolina
tufts
umdnj-rwj
u. of kansas
vandy

63
suny-syracuse
stony brook
texas a&m
u. of oklahoma
u. of southern california
ut-galveston

 

[Hercules022]

Source please?

http://www.aamc.org/data/facts/2005/mcatgparaceeth.htm

In the matriculant table, you'll see that the URM numbers are low to high 8's on the MCAT for black matriculants and low to high 9's for hispanic. Low to mid 10's for white applicants. But I'm sure being a UMR had nothing to do with it 😉

 

[Touchdown]

As bleak as those numbers seem it is allways refreshing to see your chances once you have an interview at a school while you are waiting to hear back from them, most of the time they are >50%

 

[Zoom-Zoom]

As bleak as those numbers seem it is allways refreshing to see your chances once you have an interview at a school while you are waiting to hear back from them, most of the time they are >50%

That's true. Well, above 50% is pretty rare, but 30-50% is pretty standard. Seems like there are quite a few SDN'ers with like 5 waitlists and 1 acceptance, which is odd 😕

I don't believe it. A 32 sounds way too high for the average.

I believe it. All the stats went up this year, GPA too. Pritzker jumped from a 3.65 to 3.75..that's a pretty big difference. The averages for top 10's are outrageous. Ave MCAT at WashU is 37. 37, average!!! WTF. Aparently machines can be doctors too

 

[Touchdown]

^I guess that Im just lucky where I got interviews then 🙂

 

[Keg]

Would anyone mind posting the residency director scores for Wash U and Vandy? I don't want to buy online access and the print version is sold out at the Borders next to campus. Thanks in advance!

 

[SeminoleFan3]

It's hard to imagine that the average MCAT score is now a 32. AMCAS has it listed as a 29.6 for the last cycle. It went up 2.4 points?! That's probably the biggest jump in one year. Although, I guess if you have a lot of "top schools" submitting their info, but a lot of "not so top schools" not submitting it, it'll definitely skew the average. It's just slightly disheartening.

 

[sanford_w/o_son]

It's hard to imagine that the average MCAT score is now a 32. AMCAS has it listed as a 29.6 for the last cycle. It went up 2.4 points?! That's probably the biggest jump in one year. Although, I guess if you have a lot of "top schools" submitting their info, but a lot of "not so top schools" not submitting it, it'll definitely skew the average. It's just slightly disheartening.

well, what did usnews say the average was during the last cycle? anyone? anyone?

 

[HMSNeuro]

well, what did usnews say the average was during the last cycle? anyone? anyone?

As a previous poster pointed out, AAMC for 2005 says the average matriculant's score was a 30.2, not a 32. Somebody at US news screwed up. Below is a link for matriculant MCAT by state; however, you can scroll down and see the average for all matriculants. Add it up and you get a 30.2, which is still rather high.

http://www.aamc.org/data/facts/2005/mcatgpastatemat.htm

 

[socal1015]

Can someone tell me where Penn State COM ranks in primary care?
Thanks

 

[Dave_D]

As a previous poster pointed out, AAMC for 2005 says the average matriculant's score was a 30.2, not a 32. Somebody at US news screwed up. Below is a link for matriculant MCAT by state; however, you can scroll down and see the average for all matriculants. Add it up and you get a 30.2, which is still rather high.

http://www.aamc.org/data/facts/2005/mcatgpastatemat.htm

That was exactly my point. It looks like a typo since I could understand someone intending to type 30.2 and mis-typing 32.(Or even someone typing it in asking a co-worker what the stat was and mis-hearing 32.) Given that(and the fact a 2 pt jump is rather large compared to the jumps from previous year to year) I'm going with it's a typo.(But like you say, 30.2 is still pretty high.)

 

[riceman04]

That's a good point. There's a score range of about 11 points above that (up to 43) of the people who get in. But almost no one gets in if they're even 6 points below it. Then again, looking at the MCAT scoring distribution, and considering the high number of URMs who are admitted with low scores, it's frightening that the average is that high.

here we go!

you and your insecurities are definitely shining through

 

[ravin]

Just curious to see where they stand.
Thanks!

 

[HMSNeuro]

Just curious to see where they stand.
Thanks!

U Kentucky is not ranked in the top 62 for research or primary care, so they're not on the list. This, of course, says nothing about the quality of education at UK, which is great.

 

[star22]

I don't believe it. A 32 sounds way too high for the average.

I think it seems reasonable. That is the average at my state school.

 

[HMSNeuro]

I think it seems reasonable. That is the average at my state school.

see above posts for why a 32 is not the new average for matriculants.

 

[happydays]

That was exactly my point. It looks like a typo since I could understand someone intending to type 30.2 and mis-typing 32.(Or even someone typing it in asking a co-worker what the stat was and mis-hearing 32.) Given that(and the fact a 2 pt jump is rather large compared to the jumps from previous year to year) I'm going with it's a typo.(But like you say, 30.2 is still pretty high.)

A 30 average is pretty reasonable. This means that ~50% is above and ~50% is below. Keep in mind that most med schools like it if you're above the national average of 24. It would be troublesome if the average was low, like a 28.

 

[phenylalanine]

Would anyone mind posting the residency director scores for Wash U and Vandy? I don't want to buy online access and the print version is sold out at the Borders next to campus. Thanks in advance!

Keg:

WashU: 4.4
Vandy: 4.1


I think we were both at pritzker this past month. so is it b/w washU and vandy for you?

 

[star22]

A 30 average is pretty reasonable. This means that ~50% is above and ~50% is below. Keep in mind that most med schools like it if you're above the national average of 24. It would be troublesome if the average was low, like a 28.

But think of all the people who have ~35 (some schools have an average of 35-36) and I really doubt that there are an equivilant number people getting in with 25 to balance it out.... But who knows maybe its true.

 

[jebus]

Well, star, keep in mind it's a holistic scale - it's not a straight line, it's a bell curve. More people get a 27-30 on the MCAT than get 35-38.
I have no problem believing that many people get in with a 28 or so.

 

[eastsidaz]

here we go!

you and your insecurities are definitely shining through

Just trying to be an objective observer, riceman. Insecurities? I've done just fine in this process, thanks.

 

[somewhere2010]

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/30/science/30brain.html?incamp=article_popular
Naw, they've just been developing differently.

funny, those findings are from my lab! of course, i'm as low on the totem pole as it gets, so i didn't have anything to do with that paper, though i am one of the IQ test administrators! 😛

 

[Keg]

Keg:

WashU: 4.4
Vandy: 4.1


I think we were both at pritzker this past month. so is it b/w washU and vandy for you?

Yeah, I got full tuition +3k at vandy and 33500 in scholarship at wash u, so it's essentially even - i think the overall difference is $6k annually in additional loans that i'd have to take at wash u as compared to vandy. I was gonna decide based on finaid, but it's so close that i'm feeling really indecisive. Gonna wait for Wash U's second look and for my vandy finaid package to see if there's more scholarship in there, and make a decision. But Pritzker (as far as i know) isn't comparable as far as financial aid, and if that suspicion is confirmed when i get my finaid package, i'll be withdrawing from Pritzker.