caveman721

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Helllo to all, these are my stat's. If you can please give me some idea about UAG and the mca avg, as well as the program taught in english? Any information would be great. Thank you so much.

I'm from: NJ, USA
My country of citizenship is: USA
Currently studying: Biology

At this University:
AS: Associates in Science in biology (County College of Morris, NJ) BA: Bachelors of Arts in Biology (Rutgers, Newark NJ) Masters: Master of Biomedical Science {University of Medicine and Dentistry (UMDNJ), Newark, NJ}

My GPA is: AS:3.5 BA:3.675 Master's: 3.85 (this fall was the first semester haven't finished yet). Not sure what the total of the 3 is, not sure if they even put it all together, anyone has an answer to that?

My MCAT Scores were: I scored an 18M: 9BS 6PS 3VR (buzz kill!!) studying again now for them.

EC'S: 1) Volunteer EMT for the town's first aid squad for the past 5 years. 2) Work in Saint Barnabas Medical Center's ER as total bitch of the ER aka Clinical Tech, For the past 5 years. 3) Work as a paid EMT for monoc and do urban EMS in the cities of Orange, and Irvington for a the past year.
 

vasca

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UAG is a good school, but not one of the top 15 elite schools in Mexico (the list depends on grade average on the mexican residency exam (ENARM) that's held annually. However, if you can't speak a word of spanish even if your life depended on it, this would be the easiest school to adapt to because at least part of the curricula will be in english.

Bear in mind that by law, mexican med school programs must last at least 6 years, the first four is pretty much the same thing if you had gone to med school in the US, the 5th year is your internship where you will work at a hospital under the guidance of residents and attendings going 32 hour shifts every 2 or 3 days (you are literally in limbo-land between student and MD) and the 6th year is a social service year that even if you are an American must do or you can't graduate.

90% of mexican med schools follow the 6 year program, but there's a few that take 7 years including UAG. Basically during your first year they will be force feeding you spanish classes along with some med school classes like anatomy so that by the time you are rotating in hospitals you have conversational spanish. By your second year the course material will be similar to most other med school but you won't have to take as many credits because you already took some courses the first year.

UAG doesn't give you a lot of hospitals to choose from during your internship for better or for worse (however you see it). My university has over 30 hospitals to choose from, where a few of them are top mexican hospitals and a handful of foreign hospitals in Israel, Spain or the US. UAG I believe at the most only has 5 hospitals to choose from and all of them are in Guadalajara. One of the hospitals is the one that's associated with the university so a lot of the teaching will be in english, I've heard the learning is pretty good.

During your social service year there are a few slots that are also affiliated with their english hospital, but bear in mind that if you choose such a slot, you won't be paid anything whereas if you choose a normal slot in a rural village like I did, you will be paid at least chump change. Here you will need spanish because 99% of your patients will not be native english speakers. During my entire service year I only had 1 American patient who couldn't speak almost any spanish and he was a tourist from Chicago that came to visit relatives.

Once you complete your school requirements to graduate which could either be do a thesis or do a series of written and oral exams like I did and get a paper stating you completed your social service, you can graduate and become a mexican GP.

If you never match in the US, your mexican license is valid to seek work as a mexican GP and you will also qualify to participate in the mexican residency match exam (ENARM). There's relatively few slots for FMG's (about 100 out of around 6000 slots) and most of the competing FMG's are spanish speaking doctors from Central and South America who wish to do their residency in Mexico. Sadly if you do residency in Mexico and wish to return to the US, you would have to redo your residency all over again or do a second residency in a different specialty which could be pretty cool.

Unlike the US, Mexico doesn't allow you to do two mexican residencies. You can do for example IM and quit the very last day of your last year and restart a new specialty from day 1, but if you complete it and get board licensed, you cannot sign up for the ENARM exam ever again in your lifetime. You can however do one residency in Mexico, do a second residency in another country like the US or wherever and have the second residency re validated in Mexico for a small fee.

UAG will prepare you for the USMLE exams, but the ENARM exam is very different (I've heard it is however somewhat similar to the Step 2). I believe this is why UAG isn't ranked as highly as it otherwise should in Mexico because since the curricula is aimed at students matching in the US, if for whatever reason they choose to stay in Mexico, they don't fare in the mexican match as well because they never learned the high yield material.

In the worst of cases you can't match in the US or in Mexico, you must understand that working as a GP can be difficult. Sadly Walgreen type chain pharmacies over the past 5 years have created a plague of little medical offices attached to their building where they hire a GP to give general consult for ridiculously low fees for the layman guy. I'm not joking when these places charge only 3 dollars for a medical consult!!! :uhno:

Are these even real doctors? Yes, they are either 100% licensed GP's or they are med students during their social service year that passed all of their university requirements and have legally obtained a provisional license similar to the one I currently have. Basically the mexican pharm industry is milking out that there's a lot of fresh med school grads that couldn't get decent job offers from IMSS or SSA like I did who are desperate for a job even if the pay is subpar who will do anything to get by while they mass the ENARM exam or find something better.

The "Farmacias del Ahorro" chain used to be better than the hideous Simi labs because they gave you a steady income plus IMSS health insurance and a pension plan (not to mention the right to qualify for Infonavit points to be able to buy a nice house for dirt cheap). However, they were going to go out of business for various other reasons and the better pay was unsustainable so they took away all IMSS benefits.

Taking away the horrible taxes (if you work this route you have to pay taxes each month and man do they take away a huge chunk of your salary!), you are only earning 600 dollars a month on average. For a 6 hour job with no procedures or emergencies that doesn't sound horribly bad in mexican terms but there is no job promotion, no IMSS and healthcare plan, no chances to take educational courses like go to a medical congress, nothing.

The worst thing is that you don't even have autonomy on your job, THEY tell you which meds you can and cannot prescribe. That would be sort of okay if a superior doctor were telling you this, but these are Pharm businessmen that know nothing about medicine and know that they will make more $$$ if you prescribe everyone Cephtriaxone instead of no antibiotic at all. The government sort of knows about the increase in reckless antibiotic prescriptions but so far they have done nothing to stop them. They have opened some more working positions in the SSA in some states which aren't bad places to work, but not enough for most fresh grads that can't afford to open their own private office. The government opened a few new residency slots, but closed slots in other specialties to stay in the magic "6000" slots for the match.

The only thing that has helped reduce the competition for these low end jobs is that Michoacan U is no longer handing out MD diplomas like candy bars, they are now trying to limit themselves to 500 grads a year which is still too many doctors for a state that has almost no hospitals, but the graduation quota is down 50% which is a bit better.

I don't wish to scare you at all and sadly can't say if what you have is good enough to get in (probably will if you can afford their intuition which is insanely expensive). However, if you go to any mexican MD forum they will say the same thing about the pharm MD problem so that in case you don't match, you can have realistic expectation of your future job prospects in this country.

Your GPA is great BTW, I suggest trying to retake the MCAT and apply to a US university unless you are truly open to become a doctor in Mexico. :D
 

hrandani

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Just to address a couple of points you made about UAG.

My best friend goes to UAG's "international program" and I get an earful from him frequently via emails and when he comes home for breaks. It's pretty hilarious the way he tells it, but I can't imagine actually living through it. He insists he loves living in Mexico but from what I hear about the school it's like a nightmare. Or a really bad comedy. Like the Nacho Libre of medical school.

UAG is an absolute disaster. The international program is fraudulent at best. They do not at all teach to the USMLE, that is completely wrong. The courses aren't really in English, it's mostly a spanglishly bastardized version (including exams!). Sometimes professors just don't even apologize and launch into 100 mile an hour spanish, even in the first semester. Normally you'd think well yeah, you're in Mexico - but he was told several times during the admission process that everything would be in English until the third year. What's the point of paying four times the price if it's still in spanish? He said a few times that he wished he'd just gotten into a straight spanish school. Or at least a better school.

There's an entire basic sciences course called community medicine or something where you have to spend hundreds of hours in a "hot, sweaty, empty, private hospital" according to my friend waiting for mythical patients to come in while being berated in spanish for not learning the material the right way.

Right before he was about to take the USMLE the school came out of nowhere and insisted that everybody had to take emergency medicine in order to prepare for the wards. Just out of the blue, on a Monday. So the next two weeks were full of labs that didn't have any equipment, in complete spanish, finishing with a written test that was incomprehensible in english or spanish. Then they insisted everyone had to do a 24 hour stay in an emergency room in a nearby puebla in the middle of nowhere in narco territory. My buddy said someone threw a grenade into the mayor's house that night and the doctor in charge told them to high tail it out of town and not mention anything to the school, because they would all fail the course and have to repeat the semester.

So the whole basic science portion is a complete joke. People say it gets better once you get into rotations, but they do not teach anything at all, the whole stolen exam thing vasca mentioned in the other thread is hilarious and true. They also apparently hit the international students up for random fees, a few thousand here, a few thousand there for absolutely no reason. I guess they just went over on the budget that month or something. In addition to that, they charge 3-4 times what they charge the mexican students. 22k vs 5k.

However you still hear from attendings in the states that UAG used to be an excellent school. I don't know what happened. I would definitely recommend only going to UAG as a last ditch, end of the road option. My friend said the year he graduated, only 10 people out of 180 were able to pass the USMLE and only 5 matched. You really can't argue with those kinds of numbers. There was a bunch of posts on valuemd about UAG but most of the juicy ones got deleted in some kind of mod war.

The thing that really stuck in my mind after talking to him was how he said all the really qualified students dropped out. Those with masters degrees, those who had a family, etc. They just immediately recognized it was a scam, saw through the smoke and mirrors and bailed in the first year.

It kind of sucks because it always sounds like going to school in Mexico would be awesome.
 
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absolutjag9

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LOL i go to uag and i probably know your friend in the international program...as i am in 4th semester and just got permission to take step 1 after passing the kaplan midterm.
 
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LOL i go to uag and i probably know your friend in the international program...as i am in 4th semester and just got permission to take step 1 after passing the kaplan midterm.
Hi, are you currently a physician in the US? If so, I would like more information on how you made it out of UAG
 
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