Navy USS Theodore Roosevelt COVID-19 crisis

[Gastrapathy]

There is hangar deck video of the CO's departure. He is the crew's hero, for sure.

Damnit if that video doesn’t undermine my whole argument. I get that he’s a hero to them but that little event probably exposed dozens more sailors to COVID-19. Social distancing on a ship is undoubtedly difficult but that was terrible.

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[Baron Samedi]

If there's one lesson to be learned in this it's that snitches get stitches. The CO made his higher ups look bad, so there's hell to pay.

Surely the POTUS's tendency to override the brass's decisions doesn't only apply to championing war criminals and he will intervene here.

 

[orbitsurgMD]

Damnit if that video doesn’t undermine my whole argument. I get that he’s a hero to them but that little event probably exposed dozens more sailors to COVID-19. Social distancing on a ship is undoubtedly difficult but that was terrible.

He was no longer in command, but you are right.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

He was no longer in command, but you are right.

Yeah, I'm also guessing that if he had a choice he probably would have told them to stay away. His body language seemed like he was touched but frustrated that they were all crowded at the quarterdeck lol.

 

[Monty Python]

Pretty tough job for the next guy cause the crew undoubtedly believes the skipper saved them and took a headshot for it.

Saw today that the ship’s XO is acting CO. The ships former CO (whom Crozier relieved last year) is enroute to Guam to resume command.

 

[d2305]

He's got his 20 in, and it's time to retire.

 

[deleted480308]

He's got his 20 in, and it's time to retire.

Unlikely he’ll ever pay for a beer in a navy bar

 

[d2305]

He did get their attention.

 

[NontradCA]

Navy is just ****ing itself left and right nowadays. Such bad PR the last couple years.

 

[armytrainingsir]

Navy is just ****ing itself left and right nowadays. Such bad PR the last couple years.

I’ll bet they’re betting the farm on Top Gun 2 saving them.

 

[Monty Python]

I’ll bet they’re betting the farm on Top Gun 2 saving them.

Yeah, but they have to wait. And Tom Cruise owns a P-51 Mustang. I really dislike him now.

Tom Cruise confirms ‘Top Gun’ sequel release delayed 6 months due to COVID-19

"I know many of you have waited 34 years. Unfortunately, it will be a little longer."

www.militarytimes.com

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

I’ll bet they’re betting the farm on Top Gun 2 saving them.

Most of the people in the Navy want nothing to do with that after it came out that Cruise treated the whole crew like ****.

 

[Gastrapathy]

Well now that Trump has publicly blamed Crozier for the port visit, I’m sure the embarked flag will be held accountable too...

 

[d2305]

I think it probably was the admiral @ Camp Smith who told them to go to Da Nang.

 

[pawprint]

Navy has gotten a lot of bad PR these past few weeks.

Army: builds field hospitals, converts hotels/convention centers into temporary hospitals nationwide, sends medical personnel to hotspots.
Navy: Sends hospital ship to new york but only sees 20 patients in 5 days and accidentally accepts infected patients onboard. Fires Navy captain for trying to expedite protection of carrier crew against disease. No alteration to training schedules/classroom environments because its all "mission essential" (which apparently makes you immune to the virus).

Joining the Navy right now is like trying to get hired by the cruise line industry.

 

[orbitsurgMD]

Navy has gotten a lot of bad PR these past few weeks.

Army: builds field hospitals, converts hotels/convention centers into temporary hospitals nationwide, sends medical personnel to hotspots.
Navy: Sends hospital ship to new york but only sees 20 patients in 5 days and accidentally accepts infected patients onboard. Fires Navy captain for trying to expedite protection of carrier crew against disease. No alteration to training schedules/classroom environments because its all "mission essential" (which apparently makes you immune to the virus).

Joining the Navy right now is like trying to get hired by the cruise line industry.

That branch needs a housecleaning.

 

[Baron Samedi]

'He shouldn't be talking that way in a letter': Trump says he agrees with Navy Capt. Crozier's firing

Trump said he did not make the decision to fire Crozier, but he disagreed with Crozier's actions: "He shouldn't be talking that way in a letter."

www.usatoday.com

Who is surprised?

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

Navy has gotten a lot of bad PR these past few weeks.

Army: builds field hospitals, converts hotels/convention centers into temporary hospitals nationwide, sends medical personnel to hotspots.
Navy: Sends hospital ship to new york but only sees 20 patients in 5 days and accidentally accepts infected patients onboard. Fires Navy captain for trying to expedite protection of carrier crew against disease. No alteration to training schedules/classroom environments because its all "mission essential" (which apparently makes you immune to the virus).

Joining the Navy right now is like trying to get hired by the cruise line industry.

My friend is an Army DI and he is at work every day conducting basic training with no signs of slowing down. Definitely not just Navy. At least we went to distance learning at USUHS.

 

[Brouillet2017]

Wow. According to this, sailors must test negative before they go ashore. So they're leaving the COVD+ sailors on the boat?

Navy Captain Removed From Carrier Tests Positive for Covid-19 (Published 2020)

Captain Crozier was fired after a leak of a letter he had emailed to Navy leaders detailing the service's failures in dealing with a coronavirus outbreak on the U.S.S. Theodore Roosevelt.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Setih]

Navy Captain Removed From Carrier Tests Positive for Covid-19 (Published 2020)

Captain Crozier was fired after a leak of a letter he had emailed to Navy leaders detailing the service's failures in dealing with a coronavirus outbreak on the U.S.S. Theodore Roosevelt.

www.nytimes.com

Sigh....

 

[Gastrapathy]

Anyone else read SECNAVs latest “vector”? Just in case you didn’t get the message from firing CAPT Crozier, he goes ahead and spells it out and added a weird sports analogy.

more analysis:

It’s Hardly Shocking the Navy Fired a Commander for Warning of Coronavirus Threat. It’s Part of a Pattern.

In dismissing the commander of the USS Theodore Roosevelt, the Navy once again punished the messenger, a frontline leader brave enough to tell the unvarnished truth to superiors about a threat to his sailors.

www.propublica.org

And squarely in the truth is stranger than fiction category: USS Theodore Roosevelt Commanding Officer Followed the Example of Colonel Roosevelt

 

[militaryPHYS]

At least our adversaries will have no idea what to act on since so many people talk on social/regular media yet don't have full understanding of the situation.

 

[pgg]

And squarely in the truth is stranger than fiction category: USS Theodore Roosevelt Commanding Officer Followed the Example of Colonel Roosevelt

The comments below that article are a good discussion.

 

[Monty Python]

‘It Doesn’t Add Up To Me’: Current and Former Navy Officials Question Captain’s Abrupt Dismissal

“Why wasn’t there an investigation done before the captain was relieved?” one former senior official asked.

www.defenseone.com

 

[Baron Samedi]

Acting SECNAV's speech to the TR crew



He called Crozier stupid, blamed the liberal media and Joe Biden, complained about the backlash he has been receiving, and dropped some profanity in there to spice it up a bit.

 

[deleted480308]

Acting SECNAV's speech to the TR crew



He called Crozier stupid, blamed the liberal media and Joe Biden, complained about the backlash he has been receiving, and dropped some profanity in there to spice it up a bit.

TOne deaf

 

[LTMCUSN]

Has anyone heard the latest on the increase in confirmed cases and status of those 100+ from the TR?

I know the crew is a relatively low-risk population but Guam sure as hell isn't and has limited bed space (2 civilian hospitals, the Naval Hospital, and a few branch clinics) for ~160k people.

Curious what the medevac plan is..

 

[orbitsurgMD]

TOne deaf

Worse, dishonest. The Pacific naval chain of command up through the author of this message, failed both the crew and the captain of the Roosevelt. They have suffered--deservedly--negative press, and will hopefully continue to do so. Now he treats the public to yet another layer of paper-ass-covering. He would better to have said nothing. Hearing or reading this transparently unbelievable justification serves only to demoralize troops and sailors, and makes the senior brass and the secretary seem even more out of touch.

 

[orbitsurgMD]

Acting SECNAV's speech to the TR crew



He called Crozier stupid, blamed the liberal media and Joe Biden, complained about the backlash he has been receiving, and dropped some profanity in there to spice it up a bit.

Nothing like TIG-welding on your ass-hat. This makes him look and sound as bad as his boss.

 

[armytrainingsir]

Most of the people in the Navy want nothing to do with that after it came out that Cruise treated the whole crew like ****.

Wow. Never heard about that. Too bad if true. Cruise is one weird dude, but I enjoy his movies.

 

[orbitsurgMD]

What this acting official fails to get why the issue is now a big controversy outside Navy channels. Had he taken timely action, even if it meant overriding the Navy brass, this would have been a PR win. Sadly he is on the other side of the issue, and digging in. It doesn't pay to double down on stupidness.

 

[orbitsurgMD]

There are few over 45 on the ship, and most of the comorbidities are disqualifying, save HTN. There could be no deaths.

Let's hope. The hell of this disease is how quickly some victims go from doing well-enough to crumping, in small numbers of hours. Some of those are people without the hazardous comorbidities for bad outcomes.

 

[orbitsurgMD]

Well now that Trump has publicly blamed Crozier for the port visit, I’m sure the embarked flag will be held accountable too...

How does he resolve that with the fact that his own acting Navy secretary defended the decision to make the Vietnam port call (mainly because it was his decision?)

 

[Brouillet2017]

Captain Crozier was fired for embarrassing the Navy high command because none of them wanted to be responsible for dealing with this crisis. They were willing to let every single sailor aboard that ship get sick rather than admit that a crisis was happening at all.

This is the kind of thing that happens in dictatorships, where someone who speaks out "disappears" and then government tells everyone how horrible that person was.

 

[Baron Samedi]

TOne deaf

More like smear campaign and gaslighting

 

[Gastrapathy]

So when I first saw SECNAVs speech to the crew, I figured it was a hoax. He couldn’t really have flown to the other side of the world to **** on CAPT Crozier to his crew. But...he did. Big Navy’s response to Crozier’s letter puts the question of whether the letter was necessary to rest IMO.

 

[orbitsurgMD]

So when I first saw SECNAVs speech to the crew, I figured it was a hoax. He couldn’t really have flown to the other side of the world to **** on CAPT Crozier to his crew. But...he did. Big Navy’s response to Crozier’s letter puts the question of whether the letter was necessary to rest IMO.

Pretty much.

Remember this is the administration that didn't want the cruise ship with infected passengers coming to port because it would look bad for the numbers. That, openly stated by none other than the President himself.

 

[Gastrapathy]

The Navy’s Crisis of Special Trust and Confidence - War on the Rocks

In 1983, when Acting Secretary of the Navy Thomas Modly graduated from the U.S. Naval Academy, it was Ronald Reagan’s official duty as president to

warontherocks.com

another good read

 

[D P356]

How about how they handled the case of Edward Gallagher?

 

[Baron Samedi]

How about how they handled the case of Edward Gallagher?

Total disgrace.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

Modly apologies for remarks as key lawmakers call for his resignation

 

[deleted480308]

Modly apologies for remarks as key lawmakers call for his resignation

luckily, should Modly be vacating his position in the near future....I happen to know a very well regarded Naval Officer who just got a bunch of time on his hands and might be open to a transition after a few weeks of quarantine should he come out of it ok. God speed

 

[armytrainingsir]

Slight topic derail.
How many physicians are on a carrier? Specialty? Rank?
And how big does a ship have to be to get an actual MD?

I’ve toured a few museum ships, and I’ve always been fascinated with the medical spaces. But I’m clueless on staffing.

 

[orbitsurgMD]

Slight topic derail.
How many physicians are on a carrier? Specialty? Rank?
And how big does a ship have to be to get an actual MD?

I’ve toured a few museum ships, and I’ve always been fascinated with the medical spaces. But I’m clueless on staffing.

Depends, but a carrier will have a senior medical officer, who is usually a flight surgeon who has done the aviation medicine residency, and hopefully another residency preceding that: FP, EM or IM. Usually there is a general surgeon, an anesthesiologist, and several GMOs, some of whom are naval flight surgeons. Depending on the op tempo, there may be more. There are usually a decent number of hospitalmen and HMCs in support.

Marine LHAs can have even larger medical departments in support of infantry combat operations.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

Slight topic derail.
How many physicians are on a carrier? Specialty? Rank?
And how big does a ship have to be to get an actual MD?

I’ve toured a few museum ships, and I’ve always been fascinated with the medical spaces. But I’m clueless on staffing.

Amphib and above gets its own MD. Destroyer squadrons have a squadron doc that “supervises” the IDCs, which really means they come look at notes and admin once a month or so. Cruisers have a similar set up. The number of docs on the big decks will vary depending on the platform and what’s going on.

 

[Monty Python]

Slight topic derail.
How many physicians are on a carrier? Specialty? Rank?
And how big does a ship have to be to get an actual MD?

I’ve toured a few museum ships, and I’ve always been fascinated with the medical spaces. But I’m clueless on staffing.

During my deployment on the USS George Washington (same class as the Roosevelt), we had:

Ship’s company (ie, they belonged to the ship and not the air wing).
1 ”senior medical officer,” ie, the Medical Dept. Head. He was an internist O-6 and was 75% admin, 25% clinical.
1 BE (not BC) surgeon O-3.
1 GMO O-3.
1 anesthesia provider (sometimes an anesthesiologist, sometimes a CRNA). Official anesthesia backup was the two oral surgeons onboard.
1 psychiatrist or PhD psychologist (used interchangeably). O-4.
1 general duty PA.
1 RN.
1 PT.
1 xray tech.
About 20 enlisted hospital corpsmen, a few (2 or 3) qualified as Independent Duty Corpsman (one from a sub, boy did he have some stories!).

With the air wing aboard, there was an additional 2 (I think) flight surgeons who belonged to the wing, not to ship’s company.

 

[Lawpy]

Modly apologies for remarks as key lawmakers call for his resignation

luckily, should Modly be vacating his position in the near future....I happen to know a very well regarded Naval Officer who just got a bunch of time on his hands and might be open to a transition after a few weeks of quarantine should he come out of it ok. God speed

Update: WSJ News Exclusive | Acting Navy Secretary Resigns in Wake of USS Roosevelt Comments

 

[Baron Samedi]

Thank God. What an embarrassment.

 

[deleted480308]

Update: WSJ News Exclusive | Acting Navy Secretary Resigns in Wake of USS Roosevelt Comments

I feel the "deck" will be void enough of well wishers to abide by social distancing for his departure.

 

[Monty Python]

If you don’t have a WSJ subscription.

Acting Navy Secretary Modly resigns

Acting Secretary of the Navy Thomas Modly resigned on Tuesday after berating thousands of sailors in Guam and later doubling down on his remarks.

taskandpurpose.com