Just looking for what people's thoughts on this are based on some statements I've heard about from people at my program expressing skepticism about our 2nd year clinic. From what I remember when I interviewed, most programs did have outpatient exposure in the 2nd year and some programs had more extensive exposure (Northwestern, Harbor), which people generally felt positive about. Some old school programs I guess don't have 2nd year outpatient work (Hopkins?). Here, we have a half day clinic starting 2nd year but unfortunately not as much support for the clinic as would be ideal on inpatient rotations (which is where the criticisms of us having clinic might be coming from?). Apparently some people have claimed that building more therapeutic exposure into the inpatient experience could potentially obviate the need for a 2nd year outpatient clinic, which to me sounds like a horrible idea. As a person who just plain doesn't love inpatient psychiatry (although I like parts of it), not having any outpatient exposure at all until 3rd year would be painful. I also feel like outpatient exposure has actually enriched my inpatient exposure. And, of course, the possibility of gaining good cases (unfortunately more difficult than I'd like) that you can follow for 3 years seems good to me. Just wondering how other people feel about 2nd year clinics? Valuable, a waste of time? Also, how much support do you get for your clinics? Do you get help finding good patients? Do you get support for absence from other clinical duties -- here when you're on inpatient psych, you don't get any help with your daily workload in spite of being in clinic for up to 4 hours.