Very interesting thread on the Allopathic Board

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People who take part in that thread are destined for an SDN hell! :laugh: BTW, I answered the poll. That's how the devil does it: he dangles the bait in front of you -- something so innocent, like a poll -- you take the bait, and then you find yourself in the middle of a full blown religious war!


To the devil: LET MY PEOPLE GO! :laugh: :meanie:
 
mosche said:
People who take part in that thread are destined for an SDN hell! :laugh: BTW, I answered the poll. That's how the devil does it: he dangles the bait in front of you -- something so innocent, like a poll -- you take the bait, and then you find yourself in the middle of a full blown religious war!


To the devil: LET MY PEOPLE GO! :laugh: :meanie:

So far it's been pretty civil. But we'll see how long that lasts. Inevitably, Godwin's Law will be invoked, and everything will fall apart... :laugh:
 
mosche said:
People who take part in that thread are destined for an SDN hell! :laugh: BTW, I answered the poll. That's how the devil does it: he dangles the bait in front of you -- something so innocent, like a poll -- you take the bait, and then you find yourself in the middle of a full blown religious war!


To the devil: LET MY PEOPLE GO! :laugh: :meanie:


Hey Mosche, if I may add a pragmatic twist to the discussion.... since you say you are a southerner and we are in the process of figuring out where to go next year, do you (or anyone else) think a northeastern atheist like myself might have trouble adjusting to North Carolina or St Louis?

In all fairness, I think a Christian fundamentalist might feel a little unwelcome in Boston or New York.
 
nortomaso said:
Hey Mosche, if I may add a pragmatic twist to the discussion.... since you say you are a southerner and we are in the process of figuring out where to go next year, do you (or anyone else) think a northeastern atheist like myself might have trouble adjusting to North Carolina or St Louis?

In all fairness, I think a Christian fundamentalist might feel a little unwelcome in Boston or New York.


The very issue my southern friend and I were discussing... 😳
 
nortomaso said:
Hey Mosche, if I may add a pragmatic twist to the discussion.... since you say you are a southerner and we are in the process of figuring out where to go next year, do you (or anyone else) think a northeastern atheist like myself might have trouble adjusting to North Carolina or St Louis?

In all fairness, I think a Christian fundamentalist might feel a little unwelcome in Boston or New York.


Hey, Norto- I can't speak for NC, but I doubt it would be a problem in STL. We're the blue part of a red state, and you don't hit the Bible Belt until you go about 45 minutes outside of the city (in any direction).
 
Well, I'm agnostic and I grew up in Louisiana, and it wasn't a problem. I mean, I don't bring it up in casual conversation, just as I wouldn't want to listen to someone pontificate about God in casual conversation. Common sense stuff 🙂
 
Hurricane said:
Well, I'm agnostic and I grew up in Louisiana, and it wasn't a problem. I mean, I don't bring it up in casual conversation, just as I wouldn't want to listen to someone pontificate about God in casual conversation. Common sense stuff 🙂


"AMEN SISTER!" :laugh: :laugh:
 
mosche said:
People who take part in that thread are destined for an SDN hell! :laugh: BTW, I answered the poll. That's how the devil does it: he dangles the bait in front of you -- something so innocent, like a poll -- you take the bait, and then you find yourself in the middle of a full blown religious war!


To the devil: LET MY PEOPLE GO! :laugh: :meanie:


Note the selected words of use here were MY PEOPLE I see how you are Mosche, its all coming together now, its allllll coming together 😛
 
nortomaso said:
Hey Mosche, if I may add a pragmatic twist to the discussion.... since you say you are a southerner and we are in the process of figuring out where to go next year, do you (or anyone else) think a northeastern atheist like myself might have trouble adjusting to North Carolina or St Louis?

In all fairness, I think a Christian fundamentalist might feel a little unwelcome in Boston or New York.

I know that this question wasn't directed to me, but I can comment on NC (went to Duke for undergrad)...

I'm a Jewish secular humanist (really, just a nicer sounding way to call myself a culturally-Jewish atheist) from the northeast and had no problems living in NC. In the Triangle, you will find more like-minded individuals closer in the direction of CH/Carrboro than in the Raleigh/Cary direction. If I were to move to NC tomorrow, I would try to live in or near Carrboro.

From a professional standpoint, however, I think that many of your patients will have a strong religious identity. I don't think that this will be a major obstacle for you, but rather something to maintain in your awareness when you are engaging in clinical activities.

I would move back to NC in a heartbeat, if the professional opportunity arose.
 
But religious affiliation is protective against suicide attempts! That could come in handy during internship year!
I was reading this full study on call this morning, before the beeper went into status beepicus. I've got to head back to the unit in a couple minutes.
Unfortunately, they didn't break it down by religion type.

http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/abstract/161/12/2303
 
Anasazi23 said:
But religious affiliation is protective against suicide attempts! That could come in handy during internship year!
I was reading this full study on call this morning, before the beeper went into status beepicus. I've got to head back to the unit in a couple minutes.
Unfortunately, they didn't break it down by religion type.

http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/abstract/161/12/2303


yup apparently it is Sazi, (what I was referring to on that board) I just saw Dr. Joiner speak on this Friday - it was really interesting stuff. He's doing a ton of research into why people die by suicide. His theory is interesting. If you wanna look him up hes at FSU.

Im actually going to kill myself with this CS crap - I'm seriously starting to freak out about it and feel the agitation setting in BIGTIME. Im so resentful and Im lacking a sense of "belonging" since everyone already took it 😡
 
Poety said:
yup apparently it is Sazi, (what I was referring to on that board) I just saw Dr. Joiner speak on this Friday - it was really interesting stuff. He's doing a ton of research into why people die by suicide. His theory is interesting. If you wanna look him up hes at FSU.

Im actually going to kill myself with this CS crap - I'm seriously starting to freak out about it and feel the agitation setting in BIGTIME. Im so resentful and Im lacking a sense of "belonging" since everyone already took it 😡

I saw the Joiner talk recently, as well. Although his theory *is* interesting, it is largely untested. He's on a book tour, and doesn't present much data. Rather, he relies on anecdote and then fits it into his theory. The few published papers on this issue have not directly related his theory to existing models for which there is some empirical support (e.g., cognitive models implicating hopelessness). Also, the sensitization part of his model is not new - it's basic behavioral science. He also doesn't address the role of affective instability at all, which is another "hot" area of research in suicide.

Again, I think his concepts are interesting, but at this point, that's really all that they are.
 
LM02 said:
I saw the Joiner talk recently, as well. Although his theory *is* interesting, it is largely untested. He's on a book tour, and doesn't present much data. Rather, he relies on anecdote and then fits it into his theory. The few published papers on this issue have not directly related his theory to existing models for which there is some empirical support (e.g., cognitive models implicating hopelessness). Also, the sensitization part of his model is not new - it's basic behavioral science. He also doesn't address the role of affective instability at all, which is another "hot" area of research in suicide.

Again, I think his concepts are interesting, but at this point, that's really all that they are.

I completely agree LM02, I had a multitude of questions after his lecture which he pretty much addressed with behavioral science 101 responses. One example I used was that substance often times plays a substantial role in completed suicides (evidenced by tox reports, and not addressed in his theory) but he essentially chalked that up to "contributing to the impulsivity, which contributes to habitualization, etc" I would have liked to have seen more thought put into this on that end, or at least some expansion on that idea.

I was also fascinated with the cases he brought up that involved mass suicide since there's hot debate over whether or not those are true suicides vs. homicides, and yet he incorporated them into his talk as a suicide discussion.

One thing I found particularly interesting was the aspect of belonging (which in all reality can be conluded intuitively anyway) but it was nice to hear a lecture on it and have some discussion revolving around this idea. I wish there had been more discussion in the end.
 
nortomaso said:
Hey Mosche, if I may add a pragmatic twist to the discussion.... since you say you are a southerner and we are in the process of figuring out where to go next year, do you (or anyone else) think a northeastern atheist like myself might have trouble adjusting to North Carolina or St Louis?

In all fairness, I think a Christian fundamentalist might feel a little unwelcome in Boston or New York.

Hey Nortomaso, I think that this is an excellent question, because it pretty much sums up why I am leaving the South! I have to say that I somewhat disagree with the above posts. First, everyone in the South assumes that EVERYONE IN THE US IS A CHRISTIAN! And why shouldn't they be? After all, "This is a Christian nation!" (if I had a dollar for every time that I've heard that, I'd be RICH).

For example, one thing that I often hear: "Michael, you know that I love you, I'm just worried about your soul"! :wow: :wow: Now, I'm not talking about being gay -- that fact sends them over the edge. I'm talking about the fact that I'm Jewish. I know that it may seem, to some, silly; but to me it's offensive to be told -- often by quasi-acquaintances -- that my beliefs are illegitimate.

Second, it is not uncommon to hear professors inject their religious beliefs into their lectures. One of my Biochem lecturers stated that "In some research fields, the researchers OUGHT to ask themselves 'What would Jesus do?'" Further, it is not uncommon to hear my MED. SCHOOL CLASS say that evolution is for the foolish! One of my classmates believes that G-d placed dinosaur bones on earth to "trick the foolish"! :wow: This is NOT a lie -- anyone else from UAMS want to chime in here!?

Finally, let me assure you that: I do love the South. I just don't like the hyper-religious oligarchy! Remember this: Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell get their power from somewhere; and as they continue to pontificate, the South continues to glow bright red on election day!

I do agree that St. Louis is not bad; however, Missouri prides itself on being "The buckle of The Bible Belt". Springfield serves as the national headquarters for both the Assemblies of God (Pat Robertson's affiliation) and The Baptist Bible Fellowship (Jerry Falwell's affiliation -- although , since they are Independent Baptist's, they claim that the "affiliation is a very loose affiliation". I say, "It's still an affiliation"; further, since he attends their annual meetings, I'm not convinced that it's very "loose"!).

I like what you said above about a fundamentalist feeling "unwelcome" in NY and Boston. I think that those sentiments are mild when compared to what an "unbeliever" will face in the South. Again, I'm one person; but that has been MY interpretation. Before anyone decides to start a flame war, remember that such matters are a matter of interpretation.
 
Oh great Mosche, am i gunna fit in down south? or am I gunna get that "dirty northerner" look all the time :scared:
 
Poety said:
Oh great Mosche, am i gunna fit in down south? or am I gunna get that "dirty northerner" look all the time :scared:

How do you know about "The Look"?
 
:laugh: :laugh: I'm a psychic psych - I "feel" the look, I "sense" the look - I konw whats going on around there.
 
Poety said:
:laugh: :laugh: I'm a psychic psych - I "feel" the look, I "sense" the look - I konw whats going on around there.

:laugh: :laugh: That's funny! :laugh: :laugh:
 
Poety said:
Oh great Mosche, am i gunna fit in down south? or am I gunna get that "dirty northerner" look all the time :scared:

You just find your own and segregate. 🙂 At least that's what I observed growing up Catholic in Oklahoma. The transplants hang out with the transplants. The baptists hang out with the baptists, etc. You might be accepted if you're a baptist transplant, though. My brother-in-law worked for this company in North Carolina and said that all the non-North Carolina people sat together at lunch and were really isolated from the natives.
 
Hurricane said:
Yep, what did I tell ya. They're talking about Nazis now. Game over. :laugh:


Yeah, thats why I got out when the conversation went to creation vs evolution :scared: :laugh: You hung in there though! - way to go! :laugh:
 
Hurricane said:
Yep, what did I tell ya. They're talking about Nazis now. Game over. :laugh:


I just read that link you put with Godwins law, that was HYSTERICAL!! :laugh: Very astute of you Hurricane!
 
mosche said:
Second, it is not uncommon to hear professors inject their religious beliefs into their lectures. One of my Biochem lecturers stated that "In some research fields, the researchers OUGHT to ask themselves 'What would Jesus do?'".


Well Mosche, I actually don't find this line of thinking all that alien, because in difficult situations, I often ask myself, "what would James Bond do?".
 
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