Violent felony and medical school

[strawberriese]

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Hello. I have a recent violent felony conviction and am interested in medical school. However, I'd like to know your opinions regarding medical applications or recommendations or other comments.

 

[Goro]

How long ago?

What was the transgression?

Hiw old were you at the time?

 

[AsclepiusAdvisingLLC]

Hello. I have a recent violent felony conviction and am interested in medical school. However, I'd like to know your opinions regarding medical applications or recommendations or other comments.

Some states have restrictions regarding medical licensure eligibility and a felony record. This is one major reason why AMCAS asks all applicants to disclose their legal history. When you apply, ensure you understand the state law for each program you are interested in and that you would be eligible for medical licensure upon graduation in that state.

 

[Moko]

Hello. I have a recent violent felony conviction and am interested in medical school. However, I'd like to know your opinions regarding medical applications or recommendations or other comments.

A violent felony by itself is a huge red flag, and given its recency, is unlikely to lead to an acceptance in the near future. I'd suggest you put your medical school aspirations on hold and look into other career options. The more time between the incident and year of application the better, but depending on the nature of your violent felony, it may be an insurmountable wall. Just my thoughts.

 

[Goro]

A violent felony by itself is a huge red flag, and given its recency, is unlikely to lead to an acceptance in the near future. I'd suggest you put your medical school aspirations on hold and look into other career options. The more time between the incident and year of application the better, but depending on the nature of your violent felony, it may be an insurmountable wall. Just my thoughts.

I concur.

 

[strawberriese]

How long ago?

What was the transgression?

Hiw old were you at the time?

How long ago?

What was the transgression?

Hiw old were you at the time?

It was recently. In my 20s.

 

[Goro]

It was recently. In my 20s.

I can't sugar coat this, your medical career is over.

 

[Mr.Smile12]

Check with a lawyer.

https://med.ohio.gov/apply-and-renew/disqualifying-criminal-offenses

 

[A224B]

If it's expunged, you have a chance, going by this Reddit post.

 

[Obnoxious Dad]

If it's expunged, you have a chance, going by this Reddit post.

Getting this crime expunged depends on the nature of the felony, the laws of the jurisdiction in which the felony occurred, the skill of his lawyer, and the philosophies of the prosecutor and judges involved. It would also take YEARS.

Every young man who wants to be a physician needs to know on his first day of college that he should avoid the near occasion of getting in fights. Avoid parties with alcohol. Avoid raucous bars. Avoid "pick up" basketball games with strangers. Pick your friends wisely and never associate with guys who have nothing to lose. Don't get upset by petty insults. Always be a good sport. Blessed are the meek for they shall inherit a spot in medical school.

 

[A224B]

There are really three separate questions here: A) will med school adcoms look past your history? B) can you match with a violent felony? and C) will states license you with a violent felony?) Assuming the crime is not one of moral turpitude, the rate-limiting step is probably not A in 2025, if you have good stats. This creates the possibility of a uniquely bad outcome.

 

[LeaveNoTrace]

I would spend five to ten years in some virtuous position of responsibility, or until you can get the felony expunged. Consult a lawyer.

You are years away from a medical school application making sense, unless you're the extremely rare applicant who has an extremely sympathetic reason and story and were obviously railroaded by the criminal justice system. Even then - appeal, try to get it expunged, get a lawyer. Good luck, but your medical career is if not over in deep stasis.

Good luck.

 

[Goro]

There are really three separate questions here: A) will med school adcoms look past your history? B) can you match with a violent felony? and C) will states license you with a violent felony?) Assuming the crime is not one of moral turpitude, the rate-limiting step is probably not A in 2025, if you have good stats. This creates the possibility of a uniquely bad outcome.

In reality, all violent crimes are crimes of moral turpitude.

Crimes against property can be viewed a little more lightly than crimes against people

 

[Goro]

What happens if the person is caught spray painting a swastika though? That one is a little tricky.

Instant reject from my school.

 

[LeaveNoTrace]

Honestly: OP, if you're reading this, look into what it takes to get your felony expunged. That seems like your only real hope at medical school. Maybe if you'd founded a significant nonprofit working with at-risk youth and ran it for a decade, schools might take a second look at you if the rest of your app was otherwise impeccable - but even then, it wouldn't just be an uphill battle, it would be a cliff climb.

I've heard of an applicant with an un-expunged felony being accepted to medical school before, or at least seriously considered, but this is just a secondhand rumor and five to ten years had passed since the conviction. Even then, the application was otherwise stellar (Harvard tier, think 4.0/522) and adcoms were rather mixed on the applicant: could he get a residency? Get licensed? Was the MD the point, not becoming a physician?

 

[AJ25]

I will add this to the discussion:

When I was in community college, we had a science professor who was a Caribbean grad. I could not understand why he was teaching at a community college and I just assumed that he failed boards. Turns out, he and some others, were caught by the FBI in an elaborate Medicare scheme where they were working under a licensed doctor and seeing patients when they had no medical license themselves. They were basically getting paid to make the ringleader doctor a ton of money. I don't know what the punishment was but the case is online if you type in his name.

And what was the outcome of that?...

He recently graduated a psych residency and is now an attending LOL! I'm sure the background checks disclosed all of this but the powers-that-be gave him the green light.

Personally, I think this doctor will again bend the rules somewhere in his career.

My point is that all these adcoms and administrators talk about only accepting the best of the best but I keep encountering all of these ethical outliers.

 

[LeaveNoTrace]

I will add this to the discussion:

When I was in community college, we had a science professor who was a Caribbean grad. I could not understand why he was teaching at a community college and I just assumed that he failed boards. Turns out, he and some others, were caught by the FBI in an elaborate Medicare scheme where they were working under a licensed doctor and seeing patients when they had no medical license themselves. They were basically getting paid to make the ringleader doctor a ton of money. I don't know what the punishment was but the case is online if you type in his name.

And what was the outcome of that?...

He recently graduated a psych residency and is now an attending LOL! I'm sure the background checks disclosed all of this but the powers-that-be gave him the green light.

Personally, I think this doctor will again bend the rules somewhere in his career.

My point is that all these adcoms and administrators talk about only accepting the best of the best but I keep encountering all of these ethical outliers.

1) his crime was nonviolent 2) he may not have had a felony 3) he may have known some people, maybe even taken the fall for them or something.

He got lucky. Simple as. This was one guy who got lucky. We don't know if he got it expunged, we don't know what happened to him.

 

[AJ25]

1) his crime was nonviolent 2) he may not have had a felony 3) he may have known some people, maybe even taken the fall for them or something.

He got lucky. Simple as. This was one guy who got lucky. We don't know if he got it expunged, we don't know what happened to him.

The point I was making with this is that, felony or no felony, there is still questionable ethics in medicine today that I think more people should be aware of.

A person, like I described, should not be allowed to practice medicine.

 

[Goro]

I was being sarcastic man. Look at the post right above that.

Sarcasm doesn't travel well over the electrons

 

[wysdoc]

A sarcasm war between @AJ25 and @doctorendgame was not on my gift list this year.
I am going to remove off topic posts

 

[moltmannfanboi]

The point I was making with this is that, felony or no felony, there is still questionable ethics in medicine today that I think more people should be aware of.

A person, like I described, should not be allowed to practice medicine.

I felt the same way about Dr. B on this SoS video