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Wake Forest the First Med School to Require SPANISH

Discussion in 'Pre-Medical - MD' started by Doctora Foxy, Apr 25, 2002.

  1. Doctora Foxy

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    I got this article from my premed dean. Sounds like good news to me! :cool: It may help to answer questions about whether or not one should take Spanish before entering med school to get a head start. (You know I think so!) :D

    The article is from the Chronicle of Higher Educaiton.

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    Thursday, April 25, 2002

    Wake Forest U. Medical School Adds Spanish-Language
    Requirement

    By KATHERINE S. MANGAN

    Fourth-year students at Wake Forest University School of
    Medicine are now required to study Spanish, so they will be
    able to communicate with the growing number of Hispanic
    patients whom doctors serve. The requirement is believed to be
    the first of its kind in the nation.

    For the last four weeks of their final year, students must
    attend intensive Spanish classes an hour a day, five days a
    week. The classes are taught by instructors from the nearby
    Forsyth Technical Community College.

    Between 1990 and 2000, the Hispanic population in North
    Carolina jumped 384 percent, compared with a 21-percent
    increase for the state's general population, according to U.S.
    Census figures. In Forsyth County, where Wake Forest is
    located, the increase in the Hispanic population was 831
    percent.

    "The classes are focused on medical Spanish. Students aren't
    going to be conjugating verbs or learning how to order in a
    restaurant," says Venita W. Morell, an associate professor of
    family and community medicine who directs the medical school's
    Phase Five, the final stage before students begin their
    residencies.

    The students will, however, be able to communicate -- at least
    at a basic level -- with patients who don't speak English. The
    students will, for instance, learn to greet patients and ask
    them if they are taking medications and whether they're in
    pain. They will also be able to refer them to translators for
    more in-depth information.

    "The patient may have a child acting as a translator, which
    you don't want, especially if the medical problem is a
    personal matter," Dr. Morell says.

    The Spanish requirement is part of a general overhaul of Wake
    Forest's medical curriculum.

    Although other medical schools encourage students to study
    Spanish or learn about the cultures of their patients, "It's
    unusual that a medical school would require the students to
    take a language," says Deborah Danoff, assistant vice
    president for medical education for the Association of
    American Medical Colleges. She said that as far as she knows,
    Wake Forest is the first to do so. :p
     
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  3. lola

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    that's great news! i hope more programs will start doing this. my junior year i went abroad to london rather than a spanish speaking country, because i was afraid of taking pre-med requirements in another language. i never became proficient in spanish but hope to someday improve my skills. now if those who only speak spanish could also work on learning english, we'd be all set.
     
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    Good I can improve my spanish If i end up getting in there.
     
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    This is fine and dandy for those of you who have learned or want to learn Spanish. The language is of little interest to me, and I have absolutely no background or history with it. LET'S REQUIRE GERMAN FOR MED SCHOOL!!! Yeah! <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" /> See, not too appealing to some of you...is it?
     
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    my grandfather went to med school that was taught in german. i looked at his anatomy books...all german.
     
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    Supply and demand. It was eventually gonna happen. Oh well, I support it. If a doctor's job is to respond to patient needs, Spanish should definitely be a requirement.
     
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    I'm not saying everyone should learn Spanish just because it's the best language <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> . It's a fact (stated by the latest census report) that Latinos will be the largest minority in the United States in the upcoming years, so it will be the most-needed language to know after English. :D Of course, your location may vary so it may not be as needed.

    By the way, have you guys ever heard of Jose Oliver? He spoke at my school last week and he's awesome! He's trilingual in German, Spanish, and English and a pretty famous poet and singer. :) He gave a really interesting presentation.
     
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    Why not make it a pre-med requirement? You would be able to teach medical Spanish to professional students more easily if the language is introduced earlier.

    I'm not saying I'm against it. I'm just saying it doesn't make me do cartwheels. I'd rather my patients learn English. :) Maybe I'll hire a translator and charge a fee to those who require his/her services. Bwa ha ha ha!!!
     
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    Good to see that someone is instituting this. Im surprised it has taken so long given that the patient population has been trending in this direction for so many years.
     
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    If they ever decide to put a med school in Corpus Christy or East LA, they better require Spanish.
     
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    i guess i'm against the flow here. i *looooove* how spanish sounds, latino culture, latino dance/music, and latino food, flavors. in fact, i'm gonna take some spanish without anyone asking sometime in the future.

    but i don't like the idea of forcing ne1 to take a language. a lot of med schools offer their students the option of taking it, which i think is a much better choice. for example, say you want to practice eventually in edmonton, alberta -- do you really think spanish would be as useful there as it woiuld be in san diego, california? i think it's best to let med students decide for themselves.
     
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    i'm way up in minnesota and i see many people who only speak spanish (and russian). being multilingual can only be a benefit.

    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Doctora Foxy or MichELLE Woods:
    <strong>I'm not saying everyone should learn Spanish just because it's the best language <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> . It's a fact (stated by the latest census report) that Latinos will be the largest minority in the United States in the upcoming years, so it will be the most-needed language to know after English. :D Of course, your location may vary so it may not be as needed.

    By the way, have you guys ever heard of Jose Oliver? He spoke at my school last week and he's awesome! He's trilingual in German, Spanish, and English and a pretty famous poet and singer. :) He gave a really interesting presentation.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by matthew0126:
    <strong>i guess i'm against the flow here. i *looooove* how spanish sounds, latino culture, latino dance/music, and latino food, flavors. in fact, i'm gonna take some spanish without anyone asking sometime in the future.

    but i don't like the idea of forcing ne1 to take a language. a lot of med schools offer their students the option of taking it, which i think is a much better choice. for example, say you want to practice eventually in edmonton, alberta -- do you really think spanish would be as useful there as it woiuld be in san diego, california? i think it's best to let med students decide for themselves.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I am with you Matthew. I also can appreciate that speaking spanish is to the advantage of your patients (if you serve an area where there are many spanish speakers) and to yourself, but I don't like the idea that a school could force you to take spanish. It should be up to the individual; people will practice where they want. We don't make immigrants learn english (you can definitely get by in any major metropolitan area without knowing english-I've been to places in the Bronx where the majority of people could not say two words to me in english). I just can't see making medical students learn spanish if they don't want to.
     
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    If latinos are going to move to america, they need to at least show enough respect for our country to learn the F***ING language. I would never move to a country where I could not speak the native language. It really is a matter of respect. This is OUR country. We should not be forced to learn THEIR way of doing things. They should have to learn OURS.
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by mongoose:
    <strong>If latinos are going to move to america, they need to at least show enough respect for our country to learn the F***ING language. I would never move to a country where I could not speak the native language. It really is a matter of respect. This is OUR country. We should not be forced to learn THEIR way of doing things. They should have to learn OURS.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I agree with some of the above posters that we shouldn't be forced to learn another language. But mongoose, when you say this is "our" country, who are you talking about? America is made up of immigrants, whether they be recent or not. Immigrants should not be forced to learn "our" language---there is no offical language. And what's with all the cursing?
     
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    While I understand the necessity to learn Spanish (I've taken four years of it myself). I don't think it does justice for med students to be forced to learn only Spanish. What about all the immigrants from non-Spanish speaking countries? Shouldn't we learn to communicate with them as well? Just a thought... :)
     
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    Es una buena idea en mi opinion. I work at a major hospital as a PT aide and I can't tell you how many times the therapists/nurses/doctors ask me if I can help them with Spanish. Fortunately I know a little and can usually get by. Unfortunately if I'm not there they usually rely on the housekeeping staff as translators. How do you think that makes us look??? This is inevitable. Embrace the culture, you may learn something.

    I really hope my schedule frees up and I can take some kind of Spanish refresher course (or maybe Foxy can continue to post in Spanish so I can brush up on it).
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Doctora Foxy or MichELLE Woods:
    <strong>I agree with some of the above posters that we shouldn't be forced to learn another language. But mongoose, when you say this is "our" country, who are you talking about? America is made up of immigrants, whether they be recent or not. Immigrants should not be forced to learn "our" language---there is no offical language. And what's with all the cursing?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I mean it is our country, be you brown, black, white, yellow, or something in between. We stole it from the Indians (Native Americans) fair and square and we ain't givin' it back. The OFFICIAL language is English and if you are going to make america your home, then you need to learn her language. that is the bottom line. By the way, my definition of "ours" is ours as in Americans. By American I mean anyone born here, be you black or brown or.... And another thing: What is up with calling black folks African-Americans? Every black person I know never has lived in Africa, so that makes them Americans, doesn't it? How can they be African-American if they never lived in Africa? OK, I am going off on a tangent now.
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by mongoose:
    <strong>square and we ain't givin' it back. The OFFICIAL language is English and if you are going to make america your home, then you need to learn her language. that is the bottom line. By the </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well, technically, the US has NO official language and never has.

    -X
     
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    <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" />

    I agree with mongoose entirely! I think this is a first. :rolleyes:

    <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" />

    My grandparents integrated so well that my parents don't even speak their native tongue. English was the only language used in their households. Sad? Not really. I think it was rather wise of them.
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by xanthines:
    <strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by mongoose:
    <strong>square and we ain't givin' it back. The OFFICIAL language is English and if you are going to make america your home, then you need to learn her language. that is the bottom line. By the </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well, technically, the US has NO official language and never has.

    -X</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">i'm pretty sure there isn't an official language for the US. do a search for united states official language and you pull up sites of people who are trying to make the US have english as the official language.
     
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    what's wrong with knowing multiple languages?

    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Swamp Syphilis, anyone?:
    <strong> <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" />

    I agree with mongoose entirely! I think this is a first. :rolleyes:

    <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" />

    My grandparents integrated so well that my parents don't even speak their native tongue. English was the only language used in their households. Sad? Not really. I think it was rather wise of them.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
     
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    I don't get it. :confused: If English is not the official language, then why is everything in English?
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by oldman:
    <strong>what's wrong with knowing multiple languages?

    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Swamp Syphilis, anyone?:
    <strong> <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" />

    I agree with mongoose entirely! I think this is a first. :rolleyes:

    <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" />

    My grandparents integrated so well that my parents don't even speak their native tongue. English was the only language used in their households. Sad? Not really. I think it was rather wise of them.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"></strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I don't think I said there is anything wrong with being bi or trilingual. I think that one should at least learn or be taught the language that a majority of those around him/her speak. I wouldn't go sit at a poker table if I didn't know how to play poker. Teaching English to your children in the US is a way to provide them a means to function.
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Lavndrrose:
    <strong>I don't get it. :confused: If English is not the official language, then why is everything in English?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">English is the unofficial official language.
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by BowB4Jeff:
    <strong>If they ever decide to put a med school in Corpus Christy or East LA, they better require Spanish.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I don't know about Corpus Chrisy, TX, but I do know that USC is basically in East LA.

    Anyway, I don't like the Spanish REQUIREMENT, but I do think that most schools in certain areas should highly recommend Spanish (or any language that is spoken my the majority in that area).

    Regarding mongoose's reply, that's BS. Whether or not immigrants should learn English is irrelevant because the simple fact is that many haven't. If you're out to serve the population as you you probably told your interviewer, then you better be able to understand them, even if you don't agree with the politics behind it. If you practice medicine in a province of China that speaks German, then you damn well better learn German. That's just how things are (or should be).

    "I want to help people, but only if they speak OUR language" just doesn't cut it.
     
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    Does Winston-Salem, NC have a large Hispanic population?
     
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    Yes, Swampy. It was in the original post, but here's the excerpt again:

    Between 1990 and 2000, the Hispanic population in North
    Carolina jumped 384 percent, compared with a 21-percent
    increase for the state's general population, according to U.S.
    Census figures. In Forsyth County, where Wake Forest is
    located, the increase in the Hispanic population was 831
    percent.
     
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    why don't they just recruit more latino Pre-meds. It's not like anyone is going to become fluent in a 4th year language course.
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Kurtz:
    <strong>why don't they just recruit more latino Pre-meds. It's not like anyone is going to become fluent in a 4th year language course.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You're right about not becoming fluent in 4 years (which I took in HS), but I do think that, combined with my observations of body language, I can probably make out what a Spanish-speaking person is trying to convey.

    Anyway, regarding your suggestion of recruiting more Latinos, I think they do that to an extent. Personally, I'm all for it, but most whites and Asians (which I am) are COMPLETELY against this.
     
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    it seems like your grandparents denied your parents their heritage. if you grow up in a household that speaks a language other than english, it does not prevent you from learning english. i grew up in minnesota and my parents only speak chinese to me. i learned english when i started pre-school. our brains are adept at learning many languages at a young age. unfortunately, it's tougher for older people to learn a language and many immigrants don't have the luxury of having unmyelinated maleable brains.

    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Swamp Syphilis, anyone?:
    I don't think I said there is anything wrong with being bi or trilingual. I think that one should at least learn or be taught the language that a majority of those around him/her speak. I wouldn't go sit at a poker table if I didn't know how to play poker. Teaching English to your children in the US is a way to provide them a means to function.[/QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
     
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    the sad thing is that i took 3 years of spanish and I still can't speak it. I could read and translate pretty well though. Too bad that won't do me any good.
     
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    i think it's a good idea to allow med students to learn spanish (or any other language), but I guess it's kinda weird to make it mandatory.

    My next point is off the subject... but isn't it weird how asians aren't considered minorities at all once you step into higher education? I'm Vietnamese, and I've ALWAYS been a minority where I'm from (even though there's a rather large Vietnamese population). All of a sudden I enter college, and I'm the freaking majority although other so-called "minorities" are much more represented in the population than Vietnamese (or asians in general)... just interesting to me that's all.
     
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    I feel the same way you do. I took two years of spanish in college (not consecutively either :rolleyes: ) and I cannot communicate effectively to say the least. I am better at reading and listening spanish than I am at verbalizing. It makes me really :mad: . I think that (if I have the time) I will take spanish (from the beginning courses) at a college somewhere again. I dunno, I just feel that in a way it is pointless, it seems that whatever spanish I learn somehow leaks out of my memory if I don't use it everyday/often. Maybe my myelin is leaky <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> .
     
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    I'm there with ya Post Count...I'm horrible at speaking it. I cannot, for the life of me, make the double r pronunciation. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />
     
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    Profesora Foxy is very happy to hear that everyone has been learning Spanish. :D

    Now, I used to be really nervous when asked to speak it, even though I could write essays in it. Trust me, once you NEED it, like to translate for a patient, it will just flow out of your mouth and come right back to you. Wake's idea is just a short class teaching the basics in medical terminology---so don't worry, you guys don't need to start from the beginning. Maybe just get a Spanish medical audio tape or book and it'll be all good. :cool:

    I disagree with the way they are making it mandatory, but I understand the methodolgy behind it and appreciate the effort. I think in this culturally diverse country, health care professionals SHOULD make an effort to learn about their patients' and colleagues' cultures and make an effort to communicate clearly with them. :)
     
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    Very well put, Foxy. Now, can you give us some Spanish lessons? :D
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by oldman:
    <strong>it seems like your grandparents denied your parents their heritage. if you grow up in a household that speaks a language other than english, it does not prevent you from learning english. i grew up in minnesota and my parents only speak chinese to me. i learned english when i started pre-school. our brains are adept at learning many languages at a young age. unfortunately, it's tougher for older people to learn a language and many immigrants don't have the luxury of having unmyelinated maleable brains.

    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Swamp Syphilis, anyone?:
    I don't think I said there is anything wrong with being bi or trilingual. I think that one should at least learn or be taught the language that a majority of those around him/her speak. I wouldn't go sit at a poker table if I didn't know how to play poker. Teaching English to your children in the US is a way to provide them a means to function.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">[/QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well, my parents and I all lived in Germany for part of our lives (7 years). I don't think anyone's been deprived. I was taught the language while living there, BTW. So, I'm not entirely guilty of sitting at the poker table without knowing the rules. :)

    It's funny how some Americans cling so desperately to "heritage" with little to no real exposure to it.

    I agree with you about the brain issue. Foreign languages are very hard for me to learn!

    Language is not heritage. :) I think the whole world should pick a language and run with it. Think of all the language barriers that will become nonexistent and all the money saved in translation expenses!
     
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    Das ist sehr richtig, Swamp. Ich denke, da? sie eine guten idee haben. Eine Sprache f?r eine Welt. Es w?rde alles einfacher machen. Deutsch ist besser als spanisch. Aber Englisch ist besser als alles. Wo kommst deine Gro?vater im Deutschland?

    note: my german sux big hooty.
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by WaitingImpatiently:
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    Regarding mongoose's reply, that's BS. Whether or not immigrants should learn English is irrelevant because the simple fact is that many haven't. If you're out to serve the population as you you probably told your interviewer, then you better be able to understand them, even if you don't agree with the politics behind it. If you practice medicine in a province of China that speaks German, then you damn well better learn German. That's just how things are (or should be).

    "I want to help people, but only if they speak OUR language" just doesn't cut it.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I say we help them all we can. Then send their non-English speaking asses back from whence they came. As in deport those that can't speak our language.
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by mongoose:
    <strong>Das ist sehr richtig, Swamp. Ich denke, da? sie eine guten idee haben. Eine Sprache f?r eine Welt. Es w?rde alles einfacher machen. Deutsch ist besser als spanisch. Aber Englisch ist besser als alles. Wo kommst deine Gro?vater im Deutschland?

    note: my german sux big hooty.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" />

    Von Kaiserslautern, mongoose.

    <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" />
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by mongoose:
    <strong>Das ist sehr richtig, Swamp. Ich denke, da? sie eine guten idee haben. Eine Sprache f?r eine Welt. Es w?rde alles einfacher machen. Deutsch ist besser als spanisch. Aber Englisch ist besser als alles. Wo kommst deine Gro?vater im Deutschland?

    note: my german sux big hooty.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">From babelfish.com's translation:
    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> That is very correct, Swamp. I think that they have a good idea. A language for a world. It would make simpler all. German is better than Spanish. But English is better than everything. Where does your grandfather come in Germany? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" />

    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by mongoose:
    I say we help them all we can. Then send their non-English speaking asses back from whence they came. As in deport those that can't speak our language.
    </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">And all I have to say is ignorance is bliss. :rolleyes: Your comments on this thread have inspired my newest signature. :)
     
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    Foxy,

    Even with his minor errors, I at least knew what he was trying to say. I also think the translation you provided is not the best (not 100% accurate).

    mongoose,

    If you need medical assistance in Germany, I have faith that you can converse well enough to get it. <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" />
     
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    Swampy,

    I didn't think there was anything wrong with what he said in German, I just was wondering what he said, so I provided the translation for others to see. I didn't expect it to be accurate. That's why I put the ( <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" /> ) after the quote. :)
     
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    Wow, a crowning achievement in my life!!! Inspiring someone who posts on SDN a self-proclaimed 50 times/day to add something to their by-line. I think I will add this one to my resume!!!

    Seriously, you don't have to agree with my view. But, to me, it is a sign of disrespect for someone to come to our country to live without at least trying to assimilate into our society. If they don't like our society or our language, put them on the next plane home. If they want to become a part of our society by learning the language and customs, then the more the merrier. That is what I say. I would NEVER move to another country without a thorough understanding of local traditions, customs, and the native language. But, then, I show respect to others.
     
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    Some of the opinions being expressed in this thread are downright scary. Several members of my husband's family don't speak English fluently, and I hope that they are always treated by compassionate physicians who respect their diversity. That said, I think more medical schools should follow Wake Forest's lead and make Spanish a requirement.
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by brontehardyeliot:
    <strong>Some of the opinions being expressed in this thread are downright scary. Several members of my husband's family don't speak English fluently, and I hope that they are always treated by compassionate physicians who respect their diversity. That said, I think more medical schools should follow Wake Forest's lead and make Spanish a requirement.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">YES!!! I've scared one person today. Mission accomplished!

    If I want Italian food, I go to an Italian restaurant. If I want Chinese food, I go to a Chinese restaurant. If a Spanish speaking person wants medical attention and is unwilling or unable to converse in English, he/she should go to a Spanish speaking physician. Like some have said...it's about supply and demand! If, as a physician, I cannot cater to Hispanic folk, they won't seek my services. Instead, they will go to another physician...Dra. Foxy, for instance. If I want their business (yes, medicine is a business), I'll learn the language.

    Nothing scary about it...
     
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    I agree that some of the opinions are scary! While I get frustrated that many Spanish speaking people living in this country don't learn English, I don't hold it against them! I'm sure many of them are very nice people who deserve excellent medical care.
     
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    It is arrogant to live in a country and expect its people to conform to you! I can't figure out why this is so hard to comprehend. Why do you think Frenchies hate Americans so much? We frequent their country without knowing a damned bit of French! "Can I get some ****-take mushrooms with manure sauce? Please, Mr. French waiter." :D

    Aside from pointing out arrogance, I haven't said anything derogatory about Hispanic folk.

    If you are a big girl, don't shop in the petite section... :)
     
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    I agree to some extent. If people are choosing to live here, they really should try and learn the language...I also hate it when people move here or go to school here and then complain about this country...I REALLY hate that.

    Oh, BTW, I took 4 semesters of Spanish in College (which was about 4 years ago!) (and all through high school), and although I'm familiar with the language, I still wouldn't be able to speak it decently, so I don't know how much it would help. I'm sure if you're going to practice in NYC or Miami, it would help, but I don't see it being very practical in Iowa or something like that (well maybe-I've never been or plan on going to Iowa!)...I think they should STRONGLY suggest it, but not require it.
     

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