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Hello, I am a current PharmD student, just finished 2nd year and going into 3rd year. I am interested in applying for medical schools this summer. My practice beliefs are more aligned towards allopathic, but I am open toward osteopathic schools as well. Here are my stats below:

Stats:
1) cGPA 3.305 (undergraduate)
2) MCAT 498
3) Residency status is a bit confusing (maybe someone can clarify). Born and raised in California for most of my life before I went to Washington for pharmacy school. I underwent the multi-step process of becoming an official WA resident.
4) Race = Asian/Vietnamese
5) Undergraduate = University of California Irvine
6) Clinical experience below:
HMO Pharmacy internship (July 2016-Present) = Provide Medication Therapy Management services over the phone for patients, which includes going over medication list, educating on any knowledge gaps, and making medication recommendations to providers. I also tackle any provider drug-related questions that require digging into primary/tertiary literature.

Retail pharmacy internship (Nov 2015-Apr 2015) = Preparation and dispensing of medications but also counseling patients on new meds

Hospital volunteering = Roughly 2 years in total, consisted of ER triage desk work and escorting.

7) Research experience = Two years worth in undergrad, worked in the area of cell signaling research, determining cross-talk pathways that may contribute to oncogenesis. However, being honest, this mainly consisted of lab technician work.

8) Shadowing experience = Currently 24 hours of MD shadowing, mainly in pediatrics but also in Family Medicine. Planning to shadow a DO next week for 1-2 days. Have also shadowed clinical pharmacists and a PA.

9) Other extracurriculars = I was a supplemental instructor (essentially a TA but with teaching responsibilities) for an Human Anatomy course. I used to fence actively throughout my later years in undergrad, but that have since stopped due to lack of a in-school fencing team. Other things include some volunteer activities I took up while I was in pharmacy school, including a bone marrow drive, flu clinic, cholesterol screening at a retirement home, and Medicinal Chemistry tutoring.

10) Relevant honors or awards = Rho Chi membership (awarded to top 10-15% of the class by end of 2nd year)

Current schools of interest (not ranked by preference):
1) Ross University
2) American University of Carribean
3) University of Pikesville COM
4) West Virginia University COM
5) Pacific Northwest University COM (in Yakima, WA)
6) St. Georges University
7) Sackler (interested especially since my physician sister went here)
8) Touro University in Nevada COM
9) University of Washington
10) Western University in Pamona

Still considering: LMU-DCOM, VCOM, Marian University COM, UNECOM, and LECOM.

Lastly, the main reasons why I am interested in switching from Pharmacy to Medicine. First, I would like to be more involved in the patient's care, including the diagnostic aspects, selection of treatment, and proper monitoring. For instance, back in my first year of pharmacy school, we had an Anatomy course that went over disease pathology and occasionally diagnostic parameters. I found clinical diagnosis to be really interesting and something I enjoyed applying when I was talking with the docs I shadowed after seeing a patient. Second, I would like to be more involved in the actual selection of therapy. As a pharmacy student shadowing clinical pharmacists, I found often that my role (and other clinical pharmacists) was limited down to just recommendations. I once had a patient I had spent time talking with on the phone about the benefits of adding a statin to her therapy for secondary prevention of ASCVD. I made the recommendation to the provider, who never actually responded back. I don't blame that provider since I know they're usually busy in their own world, but it never sat right with me to just say that I did what I could and move on.

There are other reasons too, but I'm becoming a bit too verbose. Thanks for taking the time to read through my stats and please let me know what you think.
 

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Don't apply to the Caribbean until you have done everything possible to make yourself a good candidate for a US school and have given the process at least two strong attempts, with interval improvements.
You are not a viable US MD applicant right now.
 

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My practice beliefs are more aligned towards allopathic, but I am open toward osteopathic schools as well.
3.3 GPA, 24 MCAT, and Asian --> 6% odds of MD acceptance. Assuming you're a Cali resident, it's actually much worse than that, I'd bet nearly all of those 6% admitted were getting into heavily instate-favoring schools in less competitive states. @Goro will be a great resource for DO competitiveness
 
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3.3 GPA, 24 MCAT, and Asian --> 6% odds of MD acceptance. Assuming you're a Cali resident, it's actually much worse than that, I'd bet nearly all of those 6% admitted were getting into heavily instate-favoring schools in less competitive states. @Goro will be a great resource for DO competitiveness
WA is even worse than CA...
 
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Thanks for the responses so far. I understand that at my current position, I would most likely be able to apply only to Carribean/international medical schools or DO schools at best. The alternative choice I have is to wait until after I earn my PharmD in summer 2018, re-study for the MCAT + gather more clinical experience, then apply during the summer of 2019. This is probably the best choice, but I am afraid of accumulating any further debt before applying to med school. Perhaps, is there anyone who is a PharmD, MD who could clarify how they paid for both professional programs?

Some additional information:
Undergrad cGPA is low, but there was an upshoot in my last year (average 3.7-4.0)
Pharmacy GPA at 3.87
MCAT low, but I honestly feel I can do better if I could devote my full time to it rather than being pressed between MCAT studying and pharmacy school.
 

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DO schools seem to consider graduate grades and I would strongly recommend them over Caribbean.
 

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Your stats are lethal for MD schools, and circling the drain for DO. You'd be autorejected from my school, CUSOM, CCOM, all Touros, PCOM, AZCOM, KCU, Western, and even LUCOM, which is saying something.

Chances will be best with the newest DO schools, like NYIT-AR, UIW and RVU-UT.

You don't have the luxury of doing this for Boards. Of course you can do better, but you're expected to be able to walk and chew gum at the same time.

MCAT low, but I honestly feel I can do better if I could devote my full time to it rather than being pressed between MCAT studying and pharmacy school.


Don't even think about Carib diploma mills unless you like the idea of being unempolyed and deeply in debt. You're the mark their business plans are based upon.

Hello, I am a current PharmD student, just finished 2nd year and going into 3rd year. I am interested in applying for medical schools this summer. My practice beliefs are more aligned towards allopathic, but I am open toward osteopathic schools as well. Here are my stats below:

Stats:
1) cGPA 3.305 (undergraduate)
2) MCAT 498
3) Residency status is a bit confusing (maybe someone can clarify). Born and raised in California for most of my life before I went to Washington for pharmacy school. I underwent the multi-step process of becoming an official WA resident.
4) Race = Asian/Vietnamese
5) Undergraduate = University of California Irvine
6) Clinical experience below:
HMO Pharmacy internship (July 2016-Present) = Provide Medication Therapy Management services over the phone for patients, which includes going over medication list, educating on any knowledge gaps, and making medication recommendations to providers. I also tackle any provider drug-related questions that require digging into primary/tertiary literature.

Retail pharmacy internship (Nov 2015-Apr 2015) = Preparation and dispensing of medications but also counseling patients on new meds

Hospital volunteering = Roughly 2 years in total, consisted of ER triage desk work and escorting.

7) Research experience = Two years worth in undergrad, worked in the area of cell signaling research, determining cross-talk pathways that may contribute to oncogenesis. However, being honest, this mainly consisted of lab technician work.

8) Shadowing experience = Currently 24 hours of MD shadowing, mainly in pediatrics but also in Family Medicine. Planning to shadow a DO next week for 1-2 days. Have also shadowed clinical pharmacists and a PA.

9) Other extracurriculars = I was a supplemental instructor (essentially a TA but with teaching responsibilities) for an Human Anatomy course. I used to fence actively throughout my later years in undergrad, but that have since stopped due to lack of a in-school fencing team. Other things include some volunteer activities I took up while I was in pharmacy school, including a bone marrow drive, flu clinic, cholesterol screening at a retirement home, and Medicinal Chemistry tutoring.

10) Relevant honors or awards = Rho Chi membership (awarded to top 10-15% of the class by end of 2nd year)

Current schools of interest (not ranked by preference):
1) Ross University
2) American University of Carribean
3) University of Pikesville COM
4) West Virginia University COM
5) Pacific Northwest University COM (in Yakima, WA)
6) St. Georges University
7) Sackler (interested especially since my physician sister went here)
8) Touro University in Nevada COM
9) University of Washington
10) Western University in Pamona

Still considering: LMU-DCOM, VCOM, Marian University COM, UNECOM, and LECOM.

Lastly, the main reasons why I am interested in switching from Pharmacy to Medicine. First, I would like to be more involved in the patient's care, including the diagnostic aspects, selection of treatment, and proper monitoring. For instance, back in my first year of pharmacy school, we had an Anatomy course that went over disease pathology and occasionally diagnostic parameters. I found clinical diagnosis to be really interesting and something I enjoyed applying when I was talking with the docs I shadowed after seeing a patient. Second, I would like to be more involved in the actual selection of therapy. As a pharmacy student shadowing clinical pharmacists, I found often that my role (and other clinical pharmacists) was limited down to just recommendations. I once had a patient I had spent time talking with on the phone about the benefits of adding a statin to her therapy for secondary prevention of ASCVD. I made the recommendation to the provider, who never actually responded back. I don't blame that provider since I know they're usually busy in their own world, but it never sat right with me to just say that I did what I could and move on.

There are other reasons too, but I'm becoming a bit too verbose. Thanks for taking the time to read through my stats and please let me know what you think.
 
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Goro, I appreciate the advice. Would it be better for me to delay the applications and wait until I can study for the MCAT and obtain a better score? The only issue as I mentioned above is the amount of debt that would be accrued. Also, are the auto-rejections based upon MCAT or GPA?
 

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These are DO schools where you have a chance for an interview with your stats:
ARCOM (new school)
ACOM
BCOM (new school)
WCU-COM
LMU-DCOM
UP-KYCOM
WVSOM
LUCOM
VCOM (all 3 schools)
UIWSOM (new school-Texas)
RVU-Utah (new school)
NYIT-Arkansas (new school)
If you are planning to apply this year you need to submit your application this week and all your secondaries by early October.
An alternative would be to apply next summer and retake the MCAT before then. However, do not retake unless your practice scores are consistently above 505.
 
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Don't go to the Carib. You need to retake the MCAT and aim for a 505+. Right now even DO is iffy.
 

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I understand where you're coming from with regards to debt accumulation, but if you truly want to be a physician I feel like you should set that worry aside for now and do whatever will be best for getting you into medical school.