Originally posted by Neuronix
BTW, it is very strange that Harvard's affiliates all get counted for the NIH funding, but Penn's don't. Though US News claims to use the information that they are given by the schools.
I disagree. The following is a list of all hospitals/clinics affiliated with Penn:
University of Pennsylvania Medical Center
Phoenixville Hospital
Presbyterian Medical Center
Pennsylvania Hospital
Penn Medicine at Radnor
Wissahickon Hospice
The Chester County Hospital
The Children's Hospital of Philadelphia
Children's Seashore House
Chestnut Hill HealthCare
Englewood Hospital
St. Luke's Hospital & Health Network of Bethlehem
Veterans Affairs Medical Center
York Hospital
Now, there are only 2 hospitals on that list that garner significant NIH funding: Upenn medical center and CHOP. If you look at the NIH rankings below, you will see that US News must have included both CHOP and UPenn in the NIH money, otherwise they would not have beaten out Hopkins in the overall money slot (US News uses an average of 2001 and 2002).
Harvard, on the other hand, has all of the following affiliates:
Dana Farber Cancer
McLean Hospital
Mt Auburn Hospital
Cambridge Hospital
Mass Eye & Ear Infirmary
Spaulding Rehab Hospital
Schepens Eye Research Inst
MGH
Boston Childrens Hospital
Joslin Diabetes Center
Mass Mental Health Center
B&W
Brockton VA Medical Center
Beth Israel Deac
On Harvard's list, there are 5 NIH giants--B&W, MGH, Dana Farber, Childrens, and BI/Deac
US News includes all hospital affiliates for Penn in its rankings. If you look at the latest US News rankings, you'll see that Penn is rated above Hopkins. Look at the NIH rankings below. The only way thats possible is to include CHOP and the other hospital affiliates in Penn's total, because otherwise Hopkins beats out Penn. US News uses an average of 2001 and 2002 NIH funding.
2003 US News rankings (based on FY 2002 NIH data):
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/grad/rankings/med/premium/main/mdrrank.php
FY 2002 NIH rankings:
http://grants.nih.gov/grants/award/trends/rnk02all1to100.htm
FY 2001 Hopkins NIH money:
http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/press/2002/MARCH/020321.htm
FY 2001 Penn NIH money:
http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/news/News_Releases/mar02/NIH.html
Penn and Hopkins (among others) are organized such that they report NIH funding in terms of med school + university hospital affiliate.
So when US News lists Penn's research funding as 431.4 million for 2002, that includes the School of Medicine + UPenn Hospital + CHOP (and other affiliates)
Hopkins is comprised of Johns Hopkins Hospital and Johns Hopkins Bayview. Baltimore is a small city relative to Philly and Boston so they dont have nearly as many clinic/hospital affiliates.
Hopkins 2001 NIH: 334 million
Hopkins 2002 NIH: 510 million
Hopkins Avg: 422 million
Note: US News must be using some kind of weird NIH numbers, because according to them, Hopkins avg was only 372 million
Penn 2001 NIH: 327 million
Penn 2001 CHOP: 54 million
Penn 2002 NIH: 418 million
Penn 2002 CHOP: 63 million
Penn Avg (no CHOP): 372.5 mill
Penn Avg (w/ CHOP): 431.4 million
Harvard is different, because there is no such thing as "Harvard University Hospital." Therefore, Harvard reports its med school funding in discrete units for its med school and for its hospital affiliates (17 total) separately.
Harvard Med school gets "only" 273.1 million for its med school alone, putting it at #12 on the NIH list. However, when you include the 5 powerhouse hospital affiliates with its total, it skyrockets to almost 1 billion dollars. The next closest med school + affiliates can only come to 1/2 of that amount.
The bottom line is that all med schools include their hospital affiliates in the US News calculations, except for Stanford, UT Southwestern, UColorado, UVirginia, UMaryland and some others. Look at the US News link above to verify this.
I have often stated that part of the reason that Harvard does so well is that every hospital in Boston wants the "Harvard name" attached to it. Whether thats fair or not I leave to you to decide.
