WashU full ride vs. Hopkins

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  1. Incendiary

    Incendiary Fantabulous Member

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    Okay, I honestly never thought I'd do this, but here I am. I basically have 10 hours to decide where I'm going to be for medical school, so please help me with this.

    Basically, here is my situation. I was offered a full-ride at WashU, and while my mother thinks I should accept it, my father is pushing me to see whether I can get off the waitlist at Hopkins by tomorrow morning. If I can, he thinks I should go to Hopkins and decline the scholarship.

    So, what would you do? Please also provide reasons, since I'm pretty torn right now. The way I see it, Hopkins is neck and neck with Harvard as the premier medical institution in the world, and I would love to do my residency there since I'm from the DC area. My family would be close by, and the prestige of being known as a Hopkins doctor for the rest of my life is something that will be difficult to decline. Yet, at the same time, getting a full-ride to WashU is something that I'd hate to pass up. I really loved St. Louis, despite its distance from my family, and coming out of a top three institution with little to no debt is like a dream come true.

    So basically, I'm torn. Please help with whatever advice you can furnish.

    Thanks a lot, in advance, and take care, all of you.

    :)
     
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  3. ValleyGal

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    I think that you have already decided that you want to go for hopkins. call them tomorrow morning and see if you can get yourself off the waitlist with some charm and sweet talking. Hopkins is near your family and it sounds like you want to go there more. don't worry about the money, because if you are good enough to get the scholarship then you will make enough to pay back your loans. But if you can't get off the hopkins waitlist, don't fret because you have jsut about the sweetest coolest deal for med school around.
     
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    hey inciendary, yup, i'd say do waht valleygirl said. but no regrets either way right. you got a great deal no matter what.

    oh and thanks for withdrawing from UCLA :)
     
  5. The Fly

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    I don't understand why you cannot remain on the Hopkins waitlist while you accept and tentively go with WUSTL for the 5/15 deadline . . . that is perfectly acceptable.

    Honestly, I cannot see that Hopkins is going to open so many more doors such that it's worth incurring 90k+ debt and being stuck in a city that's far far worse than St. Louis (which is saying a lot . . .)

    I'd go with WUSTL. Mom's/Dad's and other well intentioned family members didn't go on interviews and accumulate all the knowledge that we did during the application process. As such, though they may be very important to us, their input cannot and should not be particularly weighty when we're talking about institutions that are so close in terms of their qualifications and prestige.

    Best of luck with your decision!
     
  6. BME02

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    I am partial because I am probably going to Wash U's MSTP, but I think you should go to Wash U. IMHO, Wash U is probably the same caliber med school for training as Hopkins and Harvard. The only thing that keeps it from getting the higher rank is their reputation. Being in the Midwest means that it is always fighting the uphill reputaion battle. Furthermore, coming out of school nearly debt free is a great bonus.

    I mean, if you call Hopkins tomorrow and they say ok. Then, go by all means if you think it is where you want to be. But I wouldn't turn the scholarship down with the hopes of getting in to Hopkins.

    Additionally, from what I have heard St. Louis is much better than Baltimore. And the Cards vs. the O's: I mean really, and that is coming from a die hard Cubs fan.

    BME02
     
  7. Dr. Nick

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    What are you smoking??!? WashU, dummy!! I'm sorry but Hopkins is not any better than WashU in terms of doors that it will open for you and just think about that extra 3k/month for the 10 years following school.

    Geez, this is a no-brainer. Are you one of those "book smarts" people perchance?
     
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    Dude, go to Wash U. Usually I try to steer clear of telling people what to do, but in this case, I couldn't keep my big mouth shut.

    Reasons to go to WashU: You are obviously one of their top candidates; and as such, you will probably have your choice of research opportunities, extracirricular involvement, etc. WashU is an iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiincredible school, and as long as you excell (and they seem to have no doubt that you will), you WILL get that residency at JHU (or worse case scenario--Georgetown/GW/UVa). Maybe its because I just realized that I am going to be nearly $200,000 in debt when I get out of school, but I couldn't be more certain of this.

    Of course, I do not know you, so feel free to ignore everything I have said. :D
     
  10. I think you know as much as I do. Hopkins and Harvard are in a separate league compared to the rest. Wash U is a phenomenal school... but it isnt as reknown as Hopkins. I think it is an ego thing.... it would be bad-ass to have your MD from Johns Hopkins... but you will received a top-notch education at both. Hopkins will give you slightly more opportunities for residency. Hopkins will give you an ego-boost whenever you tell laypeople that you went there. Most physicians (and others in the medical field) know that Wash U is also a powerhouse... just not the lay-people. Great education at both. Wash U is free. That is huge. This also depends on your financial backing. your father wants you to go to Hopkins... is he going to help you out? If so... go there. If you are going to incur the full debt yourself.... I think you may have to think about it more.

    What would I do: if my parents wanted me to go to hopkins and were going to pay for it... I would go. If I were to take on the debt myself..... I would go to Wash U and then try to go to Hopkins for residency.

    By the way.... one important question: Are you planning on going into academic medicine? If you are not going into academia and are planning on opening a private practice.. this is a no-brainer.... go to Wash U. No patient is going to care that you went to Johns Hopkins. Most of the patients you will get will be referred to you by other docs who know if you are good or not... it doesnt depend on the school at all.

    This is a tough one and I want to truly congratulate you on the opportunities that you have created for yourself.

    good luck and let us know what happens.

    PS - you cant go wrong with either choice.... it isnt choosing medicine versus door-to-door sales.
     
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    Washopkins U <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
     
  12. Dr. Nick

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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by me:
    <strong>Hopkins will give you an ego-boost whenever you tell laypeople that you went there. Most physicians (and others in the medical field) know that Wash U is also a powerhouse... just not the lay-people. Great education at both. Wash U is free. That is huge. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Do you want to pay out a 6 figure fee in order to boost your ego with the "laypeople"? If so, that money might be better spent in counseling.

    Listen everyone in the medical field knows WashU is a killer school - and I don't buy this stuff about Hopkins opening more doors - BOLLOCKS.

    If you excel at WASHU you can go ANYWHERE. If you excel at a lot of schools you can go ANYWHERE.

    And i'll let you in on a little secret - as soon as you hit residency, nobody will give a flying **** where you went for medical school.

    capiche?
     
  13. Incendiary

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    Hey everyone, thanks so much for your replies so far. This honestly is one of the hardest decisions I've had to make.

    Oh, and in case this changes anyone's mind, my father said that he would pay everything and get me a convertible if I go to Hopkins. (He'll still get me the car if I got to WashU, but I think I'd feel a little guilty about wasting money of theirs that I didn't have to.)

    Anyway, thanks again for the responses, and please keep them coming. Just 9 hours to go...

    P.S. For the person who asked if I was booksmart, yes. And that's about the only smart I am.
     
  14. Dr. Nick

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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Incendiary:
    <strong>Oh, and in case this changes anyone's mind, my father said that he would pay everything and get me a convertible if I go to Hopkins. (He'll still get me the car if I got to WashU, but I think I'd feel a little guilty about wasting money of theirs that I didn't have to.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ooops. HEEEELLLLOOOO???? Don't you think the minor detail that attending Hopkins would not require any loans probably should have been mentioned up front.

    Geez, they'll let anyone in these days! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

    OK, if money is not an issue for either school and you like Hopkins - go to Hopkins for crying out loud!
     
  15. Coalboy

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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Honestly, I cannot see that Hopkins is going to open so many more doors such that it's worth incurring 90k+ debt and being stuck in a city that's far far worse than St. Louis (which is saying a lot . . .)</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">GG16, that hurts. That really hurts. :)

    Question for Incediary,

    Is the scholarship just tuition ($30K) or does it include living expenses too? And your father is willing to pay for everything and get you a car? If you go to WashU, can he pay for my education instead? :D I already have a car, so he wouldn't have to get me one.

    Hey, a guy can dream...

    If you were funding your education yourself, I would definitely go to WashU. If you're not out of pocket, and your Dad can afford to drop $50K a year, go to Hopkins.

    I think someone already asked this, but does accepting the WashU scholarship mean you have to drop the Hopkins waitlist?
     
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  17. Kurtz,
    your comments are great (love the humor). New Yorker? I also laughed when I saw the few minor details that were left out... like no debt either way and a convertible!!!!!!!!
     
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    Dude follow the money. This isn't chump change we're talking about here. Everyone here says it doesn't matter which med school you go to... and even if you don't believe that, the difference in reputation between WashU and Hopkins is not too great... for me it's not worth 120,000 + interest.
     
  19. LBJeffries

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    I can't believe your father is so eager to dish out 200 g's just so you can go to a school with a slightly better rep. I owe my pops $260.00 from a few months ago and he mentions it every time I talk to him.

    Anyways, if he's paying for it, you might as well try. Good luck!
     
  20. oun_2

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    ok .. i read all of this .. everybody has any experience .. but u know??? i ve learn pre med for 2 year .. but i dont have any .. what do u think about this ?? eventhough i want to have it .. but it s hard to do that in my country ..
     
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    It sucks that I don't have a dad that can laugh in the face of $130,000 of free money.
     
  22. Original

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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by oun_2:
    <strong>ok .. i read all of this .. everybody has any experience .. but u know??? i ve learn pre med for 2 year .. but i dont have any .. what do u think about this ?? eventhough i want to have it .. but it s hard to do that in my country ..</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Say what? :confused:
     
  23. rk123

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    One of my posts might help you. Personally, I think Balitmore is not a very nice place (spent four loooong years in school there) even compared to St. Louis.
    Honestly, you're options for residency are wide open from either place

    Check out my post:

    <a href="http://forums.studentdoctor.net/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=012001" target="_blank">web page</a>
     
  24. Dr. Nick

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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by me:
    <strong>Kurtz,
    your comments are great (love the humor). New Yorker? I also laughed when I saw the few minor details that were left out... like no debt either way and a convertible!!!!!!!!</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hahaha, thanks - usually i'm pissing people off but really I never mean anything bad by it.

    New Yorker? Close! But not quite.. Great city though.

    Yeah, it's the convertible that kills me.

    "Oh by the way, I forgot, Daddy will pay for everything and throw in a Ferrari too - but PLEASE help me with my tough decision!"

    Incendiary, you are a lucky man/woman.
     
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    Incendiary..

    Not too long ago I had to make a similar decision taht you are facing now.

    I applied MD/PhD to both schools, and was accepted to both. However, WashU offered me the full MSTP financial support (full tuition, health coverage, living stipend @ 22k per year) whereas Hopkins put me on the waitlist for funding.

    While I was in that situation, I knew that there was no way I could turn down full funding at WashU to go to Hopkins, even though I preferred Hopkins. As others have said, the difference between WashU and Hopkins is not all that great, and both offer great education and a chance for the best of residencies.

    So I was all set on going to WashU, and would have done so, but then I got a phone call from Hopkins offering full funding which put the programs on equal ground financially. My reasons for choosing Hopkins are very specific to the research interests that I have. In my particular interests (biomedical engineering) Hopkins had a better program and the researchers there fit my interests better. But all of this is very specific to the MD/PhD program, and doesnt really matter to a regular MD applicant. I thought Hopkins may have had slightly better clinical education, but its probably not that much better than WashU. Johns Hopkins hospital and Barnes-Jewish in St Louis are both great places and very well respected.

    My advice: go to WashU unless you get similar financial support at Hopkins.
     
  26. Detroit Mick

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    Don't pass up the free $$$. Wash U hands down. The education you will recieve there will be comparable to JH but for free.
     
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    I would go to Wash U for medical school and then apply to JH for residency. Also when you said that JH and Harvard are world reknown I have to disagree. The Mayo Clinic is world reknown but in other countries they have no idea about JH or Harvard. With this in mind do not base your 4 years of med school on "it will look good" go where your heart dictates, if JH gave you a warm fuzzy and Wash U did not then go JH. I think that you are letting your Dad (somewhat) steer you, you are a big boy so go where *you* felt the most comfortable. Good luck and keep us posted!
     
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    A full ride is a hard thing to pass up- even if your parents are willing to foot the bill so you can go to Hopkins. The general consensus is that the difference between WashU and Hopkins is not that great, and you'll be an extremely competitive candidate for residency regardless of which school you choose to attend.
    I don't get why you're on a time crunch to make the decision (it's not May 15th yet!). You can say yes to WashU and remain on the Hopkins waitlist and give yourself more time to think. But if it helps, I withdrew from Hopkins this week, so you can tell Dean White that you know for a fact that a slot has opened up...
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Original:
    <strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by oun_2:
    <strong>ok .. i read all of this .. everybody has any experience .. but u know??? i ve learn pre med for 2 year .. but i dont have any .. what do u think about this ?? eventhough i want to have it .. but it s hard to do that in my country ..</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Say what? :confused: </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">LOL <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" />
     
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    What if you don't get into Hopkins? A waitlist is no gurantee of a spot. As far as residencies go, it is going to depend on how you do at WashU or Hopkins that will determine the outcome.
     
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    Go to WashU (enjoy the free ride). Medical school is alot easier without having to worry about your financial situation.

    Study well/hard and get yourself a residency spot at Hopkins.
     
  32. tBw

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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by oun_2:
    <strong>ok .. i read all of this .. everybody has any experience .. but u know??? i ve learn pre med for 2 year .. but i dont have any .. what do u think about this ?? eventhough i want to have it .. but it s hard to do that in my country ..</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">wow, I couldn't have said it better myself...
     
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    Hey all,

    Thanks so much to those who replied. I haven't been able to check back for some time, since I had a big CS assignment to finish up, but I'm grateful to those of you who took the time to give me some advice (sarcastic or not).

    BTW, anyone else want to offer something? :)
     
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    hey incendiary,

    congrats on the washu scholarship!

    i don't really have anything significant to add to all the great advice given... you know you can't go wrong whichever you choose; just go where your heart leads you.

    best of luck and keep us all posted on what you decide!
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by daffodil:
    <strong>hey incendiary,

    congrats on the washu scholarship!

    i don't really have anything significant to add to all the great advice given... you know you can't go wrong whichever you choose; just go where your heart leads you.

    best of luck and keep us all posted on what you decide!</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thanks! It's too bad we won't be classmates, though. :(

    BTW, sending you an email, in between my fits of finals studying. Stay tuned... :cool:
     

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