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1) my parents are rich and can pay tuition for med school and buy me a condo in the central west end. they are not rich enough to do the same in palo alto.

2) its warmer than chicago.

3) anheiser busch offers discounts kegs on to wash u students

4) all I ever wanted was a harvard residency.

5) large mstp class (25 ppl).

6) Optional 10-year plan to pursue research, research and more research!

7) Chance to take classes at Wash U's presitigous archeoastrobiology department.

8) (For future med students like me) New classroom center for med students.

9) It's in St louis! The most beautiful, fun city in the world!

10) Last year, Wash U had the high incoming average MCAT scores. Better than Duke and Harvard, if I recall.

11) the second year is honors pass, pass, fail. A, B, F.

12) Gunners!

13) (Petty point) We will be by far the most intelligent and good looking people in the bistate area.
 

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if minter wrote a book entitled "why i would want to go to X medical school" with a lil synopsis like above for each school, I would buy it for sure.
 
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hmm. its hard to think of ones for all med schools. but wash u's easy to make fun of with all the talk about it here.
 

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I don't understand why people team up on Wash U. No one says its a "bad school." You don't have people knocking on UVM? No one knocks on Howard (except occasionally).

Your post is funny, no doubt, so this isn't directed @ minter.

Just among others...if you don't like Wash U, DON'T APPLY THERE. Live and let live... ::shrugs::

CCW
 

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I'm actually going to wash u. :wow:
I think other people are just jealous.
 

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Wash U is a great school with a good rep in the medical community. Its rep in the public eye is almost nonexistent. They will probably think that you are talking about University of Washington. They really should have named it something different. But no need ot bash it other than location :cool:
 

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currently i'm on the waitlist there *sigh*.......i'd sooooooo love to go there too. And thus the wait continues
 
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how could i be conceited? I made a disparaging list about my own chosen medical school.
 

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minter is right, despite his/her meanie list ;)
it's a good school, it's cheap living, but we're absolutely not all gunners
oh, and I disagree about the nonexistent reputation, perhaps that is true if you are talking about the general public or discussing athletics (D3 is not helping us out here), but in the medical world, trust me, people know about washU.
 

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I don't know why it has to be pointed out that PD's and other physicians in power know about the reputation of WashingtonU. They get 12 gazillion dollars a year in NIH funding and attract the gunners of the gunners. Even PD's in Afghanastan know that WashU is a top ranked school. The general public? The have absolutely no clue, and even most well educated people not in medicine don't know, but if you are a hard core gunner you don't generally interact with these people anyway so you won't care.

Personally, I wouldn't get within three states of WashingtonU, but that's just me. From talking to former gunner 'friends', yeah, it is the safety top 10 school for applicants with 3.9's and 38's. Even if they get dinged by Hopkins or Harvard, WashU will probably pick them up. I've seen some applicants who have nothing but huge numbers(and we are talking huge numbers) get into WashU. Anyone who knows anything abotu statistical analysis knows that those gpa and mcat differences are significant, even considering the # of mstp students.

If I was transported back to my gunner days I would probably choose harvard over WashingtonU. Hopkins too. I'm not sure which way I would go with duke or stanford vs. WashingtonU. If WashingtonU would have given me one of their all tuition merit scholarships, I probably would have taken Washu over anyone, even harvard. I probably would have ranked it #4 or #5 overall in terms from the perspective of a former gunner.
 

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I wonder how much does it's location hurt student selectivity? WU has to admit close to 3 times its class size to fill the class.

I highly doubt people decline WU because they're afraid/dont like gunners or because they think the school is extremely overrated. I think people just bash WU to justify their choice to go elsewhere or to console themselves when they dont get in.

By generalizing that WU med is a numbers ***** and thus has a bunch of anal med student gunners, means that if you have high numbers, you're an anal gunner that's not well rounded. Which is obviously not true.

Anyway, that's all I have now.
 

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Lochmoor said:
I wonder how much does it's location hurt student selectivity? WU has to admit close to 3 times its class size to fill the class.

I highly doubt people decline WU because they're afraid/dont like gunners or because they think the school is extremely overrated. I think people just bash WU to justify their choice to go elsewhere or to console themselves when they dont get in.

By generalizing that WU med is a numbers ***** and thus has a bunch of anal med student gunners, means that if you have high numbers, you're an anal gunner that's not well rounded. Which is obviously not true.

Anyway, that's all I have now.

Missouri is not the favored place to live for a lot of people from the coasts. And for top students, they already have a lot of options from more 'exciting' cities such as Boston or Chicago....so there has to be extra incentive to go to WashU----such as MONEY! :D
 

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A little background on me, so that everybody knows my biases....

I am originally from St. Louis. I went complete 5 years in Boston University's BA/MD program (3 years of undergrad, 2 years of medical school), i transferred to WashU to complete MS3 and MS4. I matched at WashU for residency. Currently, I am doing research at Univ. of Chicago SOM, and will be returning to WashU in July to finish my residency.

My main points are:
1. WashU does have a high average MCAT score. In fact, all scores on standardized tests are very high at WashU (the average USMLE part 1 score for my year at washu was a 235, not including mine :( ). However, just because people do well on the MCAT, does not mean that they are all "gunners." I have met a large number of well rounded, non-traditional background students.

2. WashU does definitely does not have a cut throat environment. The school's environment certainly does not encourage this; the first year is pass / fail, and clinical team sizes are very small in years 3 and 4. For instance, there are only 1 - 2 students / team on surgery, 1 student per team on medicine, 2 students per team on ob/gyn, 3 students per team on peds. Versus, 6 students per team on surgery at BU (when my friends were there). Also, the hospital has tons of patients and does a lot of operations, so nobody goes around stealing patients or cases from anybody else.

3. St. Louis will never be a boston or chicago. However, the cost of living is reasonable and it is not the hayseed backwater that everybody thinks it is (to answer the questions, no, I do not wear overalls when working in the hospital, and I did not drive a tractor to work), and washu locked tuition at your first year level (no 5% increase / year)...don't know if they are still doing that.

4. In retrospect, i think that the most important factor to consider when choosing a medical school is how the students match, and i have to say that coming from washu can only help you.

Anyway, I do not mean to belittle anybody else's medical school, I just wanted to say that I don't think that the stereotypes of WashU and its students are fair.
 

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WashU is a numbers *****. They take the 40 MCAT, 3.9 GPA geeks who have no personality or social life that get rejected at the other top med schools.
 

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MacGyver said:
WashU is a numbers *****. They take the 40 MCAT, 3.9 GPA geeks who have no personality or social life that get rejected at the other top med schools.

To MacGyver: do you actually know any washu students? what is your generalization based upon?

I was a washu student and am a resident there, so i can say that i know and have worked with a lot of the students, and would not say that they are "..geeks who have no personality or social life.."

To make generalizations based on your stereotyped beliefs is both unfair and prejudiced.
 

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To MacGyver: do you actually know any washu students? what is your generalization based upon?

I was a washu student and am a resident there, so i can say that i know and have worked with a lot of the students, and would not say that they are "..geeks who have no personality or social life.."

To make generalizations based on your stereotyped beliefs is both unfair and prejudiced.

I never said washu was ALL geeks with no social life. I said that they take the super high MCAT geeks that no other school takes.

Thats why their MCAT avg is a full 1 point higher than any other school

BTW, I did get accepted there, attended a revisit weekend there, met many med students there, and know many people who attend there.

Thats my story and I'm stickin' to it.
 

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To parody the distate many have for Wash U, I hate Jefferson Med!!! I think they're a money grubbing, inbreeding med school.

They were the first 2nd I sent out, since it was so easy. But I think they were extremely rude and slow in their process. In addition, I'm a bit miffed at their strong tendency to accept students with some sort of connection to the school. So in following with my distaste for the med school, I do not like anyone affiliated with Jeff med.

I think a similar experience with WU has led to much of the irrational ill will to WUMS.

(This post is in no way directed toward anyone, just an attempt to enlighten some folks)
 

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MacGyver said:
WashU is a numbers *****. They take the 40 MCAT, 3.9 GPA geeks who have no personality or social life that get rejected at the other top med schools.


"*****" is such a negative word......Picture Dean Dodson standing on a street corner in 3 inch pumps in a skimpy dress hitting up people, using the pick up line "Hey genius......wanna come to my school?" (*wink wink*)

Cant we just say WU likes people with big numbers? :)
 

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Hey,
I just went to a WashU second look, and I had a blast. The people I met didn't seem like gunners at all (unless of course I'm a gunner myself). There was a party on Saturday night, and they seemed to party quite a bit.
Oh well, my 2 cents.
 

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MacGyver said:
I never said washu was ALL geeks with no social life. I said that they take the super high MCAT geeks that no other school takes.

Thats why their MCAT avg is a full 1 point higher than any other school

BTW, I did get accepted there, attended a revisit weekend there, met many med students there, and know many people who attend there.

Thats my story and I'm stickin' to it.

You certainly have some bitter feelings toward a school you never attended....and for the students who go there.

I hope you aren't as judgmental toward your future patients. :p
 
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