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ewsmith1

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Hey guys...your figures are way off

Just look in the last JADA for the average salaries across the US

170 net....you figure gross

Now, associates are usually a little less, but not much....

One of my friends classmate (2001) just got a 120k 4th quarter bonus....

And another person I know will break 300K in the 1st year out...

Many of my classmates have committed to 100k + bonus....

And remember, the avg dent works 34 hours/wk....
 
Where do they work, in what type of practice, if u don't mind sharing the info with us?
Thanks
 
They work in Indiana, but this is not exclusive to this state....

Grossing 1,000,000 with 50% overhead is not a problem for a single dentist working 5-6 operatories...

Break it down....80k per month....20k per week....5k per day on a 4 day work week....or 4k on a 5 day week

5k is pretty easy to hit....heck one endo, core build up, and crown is going to be 2k by itself; now factor in the other 30 patients for the day + what the hygienist does

If you read dental econimics or JADA you will see ads in the back for retiring dentists who gross well over 1,000,000 by themselves.
 
I agree with ewsmith and am happy that he mentioned it. If you read Dental Economics you will see that the average dentist is making more and more each year. They say due to the exponential increase in population and sky rocketing increase in oral health awarness from the government and decrease in dentists (retiring rate going up) a dentist can expect to make 10% - 15% more each year they work for the next 10-15 years.

so if a dentist starts at 100,000, then 2nd year will be 110,000, then 122,000, then 134,500 and so on.

However, I personally know people who clear up their debts in less than three years out. I know a general dentist with a 5 op clinic who grossed $800,000 his first year out, with 62% overhead. That means his net was: almost 300,000. He paid his 190,000 debt the first year out.

In WA three dentists are retiring for every one coming into practice. In Nevada 10 dentists are retiring for every one coming in. In AZ 6 dentists are retiring for everyone coming in.

The only state that I know of that doesn't have a problem with dentists is UTAH. But we already know of the Legend why there are so many due to the tooth doctor angel there.

But seriously people, you are gonna make some serious cash in this business. If you are motivated, and are excited to be here you will be rewarded.

Like the 1980's was the "golden age" for physicians, 2003 - 2020 is gonna be the golden age for dentists ( I predict).

So quit worrying about not making money, the demand is HUGE.

DesiDentist
 
I guess I am lucky that I will make alot of money doing something that I enjoy. HURRAY! ahahahah.
 
Okay, let's just settle this once and for all. Click the link at the bottom, which will send you to the income guide from the ADA survey center. Some people on this board are pulling numbers out of the air, and I hope that you will all at least believe the ADA numbers....(disclaimer: the data is from 1999 and the numbers will have increased since then-considerably faster than the cost of living, but with a grain of salt, please).

To sum it up for you, the average GP regardless of age, region, etc. makes 158K/yr. The average specialist, 240K/yr.

As far as associates (nonowners), the average for someone that has been out of school LESS than 10 years is 100K/yr, while those associates who have been at it longer than 10 yrs make avg. of 118K/yr.

For all of you saying that you have a friend who "break 300K in the first year out" or something similar, I direct a hearty laugh in your general direction. That is TWICE what the AVERAGE is for ALL GP DENTISTS and 60K more than the average specialist!!! If that is the truth, then they are what statistics term "outliers" (and rather far out, if you ask me) 🙂

Very simply, you see that an associate makes only an avg. of 100K/yr within 10 yrs. of exiting school. If you somehow think that you will be making that your first year out as an associate (working for someone to which you are not related), then you just simply are ignoring the stats. Sure, some people will make more than this, but once again, they are NOT the norm. Once again, I will say...expect to make an optimistic 75-85K net your first year out. Some will make more, some less-mainly depending on what kind of hours you work.

If you are walking into your dad's practice and are getting right into ownership of an already well-established practice, of course you will be making more from the get-go. That is mainly because (again, according to this study) the average overhead for a new independent dentist (less than 10 yrs out of school) is 65%, while the average of ALL solo dentists is 59% overhead. So, as I have said again and again, it is VERY hard to have 50% overhead at ANY time in your practice career, no matter what. My dad runs a mainly solo with 1 part-time associate practice with 1.2 million gross and 54% overhead, and it has taken him many years to get to that point.

Once again, sure, some people will walk out of school and into a great setup and make a good deal of money their first years...but...look at the statistics. The average is 100K for nonowners in the first ten years!!! Even if you are not an associate and are the SOLE owner, the average for you in the first ten years of GP is 136K/yr and 210K/yr for specialists. And that won't be the figure in the first few years if you start your own practice, buy a house, and are paying back mucho loans.

All of us will make good money in this business, but let's not ignore the stats. They also break it down by age in this study, which is interesting. Here is the link:

http://www.ada.org/prof/pubs/dbguide/newdent/income.html
 
It's about time someone gave these people a good dose of reality. Way to lay it straight, JonR. Dentists make good money and have a very comfortable lifestyle but most are not going to be rolling in the dough. You're gonna be in the top tax bracket, plus have to pay the 15% self-eployment tax on top of that. Plus you've got to take care of all your own benefits (retirement, health insurance, etc...) After Uncle Sam takes his cut, you'd almost be better off as a school teacher with a massive tax-free benefits package and work as a waiter the other the three months of the year. Okay...not quite but almost. 🙂 Anyway, my point is that if you don't have other motivations for dentistry than money, you're probably gonna be very disappointed. If you want the big bucks, go to med school.
 
Actually, med school is a poor choice if you want big bicks. Nobody says you'll match with high-paying speciality, and nobody says you won't match with a specialty that requires zillions of work hours (oh wait, that's all of them). Gone are the glory days of medicine.
 
I think y'all are maybe a little bit deceived by all the dentists you see with the fancy pants cars and luxury houses. These guys are NOT making all their money in dentistry. A partnership of dentists I shadowed for a few months was always scheming about their latest real estate investments. One of them said he made bout as much from his investments as he did from his practice. Of course, dentistry IS gonna give provide you with ample time and plenty of capital for investing if that's your thing.
 
I don't care what you guys say. There is big money to be made in dentistry. My friend has been out of school now for about 5 years and he pulled in around 350K this past year as a general dentist. Granted, he was lucky enough to buy a practice and he's located in the Midwest.
How about graduates that took military scholarships. I'm sure their 4 years of making 60-70K pull down the averages.
Anyway, I'm not too worried about my future financial stability.
Take care.
EcoRI
 
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