wh2k13's Medical School Rankings, 2016 Edition

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Does it bother you how US News stops ranking schools after a certain point? Desperately dying to know how an unranked school actually fares relative to its peers? Then look no further and step right up to wh2k13's Medical School Rankings, 2016 Edition!

Basically, after perusing the MSAR I noticed how it lists the amount of research funding each school received, at least for the US schools. Since I had some free time this weekend and was curious I decided to take the entire list of US schools and sort them in descending order to come up with a ranking purely by research dollars as reported by MSAR. So, without further ado:

1. Harvard Medical School ($1,076,591,873.00)
2. University of Washington School of Medicine ($480,878,554.00)
3. University of California, San Francisco, School of Medicine ($452,310,798.00)
4. Raymond and Ruth Perelman School of Medicine at the University of Pennsylvania ($348,441,159.00)
5. University of California, Los Angeles David Geffen School of Medicine ($335,017,193.00)
6. Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine ($332,827,871.00)
7. University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine ($306,873,649.00)
8. Columbia University College of Physicians and Surgeons ($284,204,695.00)
9. Stanford University School of Medicine ($279,650,388.00)
10. University of California, San Diego School of Medicine ($275,680,782.00)
11. Yale School of Medicine ($252,495,555.00)
12. University of Michigan Medical School ($251,130,428.00)
13. Washington University in St. Louis School of Medicine ($245,158,202.00)
14. Duke University School of Medicine ($244,979,486.00)
15. Case Western Reserve University School of Medicine ($244,581,767.00)
16. Vanderbilt University School of Medicine ($230,825,773.00)
17. University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill School of Medicine ($221,947,716.00)
18. Baylor College of Medicine ($214,538,812.00)
19. Northwestern University The Feinberg School of Medicine ($201,330,291.00)
20. Emory University School of Medicine ($198,420,827.00)
21. University of Colorado School of Medicine ($194,094,354.00)
22. Weill Cornell Medical College ($188,486,641.00)
23. Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai ($179,570,668.00)
24. Boston University School of Medicine ($177,482,672.00)
25. Oregon Health & Science University School of Medicine ($176,800,902.00)
26. University of Cincinnati College of Medicine ($165,827,547.00)
27. University of Maryland School of Medicine ($158,448,046.00)
28. University of Alabama School of Medicine ($151,670,491.00)
29. Ohio State University College of Medicine ($144,959,419.00)
30. University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center at Dallas Southwestern Medical School ($139,265,334.00)
31. University of Chicago Division of the Biological Sciences The Pritzker School of Medicine ($131,267,700.00)
32. New York University School of Medicine ($130,547,113.00)
33. Keck School of Medicine of the University of Southern California ($121,383,384.00)
34. University of Wisconsin School of Medicine and Public Health ($120,363,716.00)
35. University of Massachusetts Medical School ($118,441,306.00)
36. University of Rochester School of Medicine and Dentistry ($117,654,584.00)
37. Wake Forest School of Medicine of Wake Forest Baptist Medical Center ($113,939,031.00)
38. Albert Einstein College of Medicine of Yeshiva University ($108,984,818.00)
39. University of Minnesota Medical School ($103,466,395.00)
40. University of Iowa Roy J. and Lucille A. Carver College of Medicine ($97,464,730.00)
41. Medical University of South Carolina College of Medicine ($93,727,426.00)
42. University of Miami Leonard M. Miller School of Medicine ($91,952,000.00)
43. Medical College of Wisconsin ($91,269,457.00)
44. University of Florida College of Medicine ($88,210,171.00)
45. Indiana University School of Medicine ($83,566,693.00)
46. Geisel School of Medicine at Dartmouth ($82,656,786.00)
47. University of Virginia School of Medicine ($82,531,589.00)
48. The Warren Alpert Medical School of Brown University ($82,506,759.00)
49. USF Health Morsani College of Medicine ($82,019,781.00)
50. University of Utah School of Medicine ($82,011,014.00)
51. University of California, Davis, School of Medicine ($79,591,648.00)
52. University of Texas Medical Branch School of Medicine ($76,419,196.00)
53. Georgetown University School of Medicine ($74,911,654.00)
54. University of Illinois College of Medicine ($74,712,681.00)
55. The University of Texas School of Medicine at San Antonio ($64,461,063.00)
56. Wayne State University School of Medicine ($62,707,227.00)
57. University of Texas Medical School at Houston ($56,975,119.00)
58. University of California, Irvine, School of Medicine ($56,900,670.00)
59. Stony Brook University School of Medicine ($55,206,974.00)
60. Temple University School of Medicine ($54,496,850.00)
61. University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences College of Medicine ($52,031,822.00)
62. University of Kentucky College of Medicine ($46,931,986.00)
63. George Washington University School of Medicine and Health Sciences ($45,598,386.00)
64. University of Kansas School of Medicine ($45,083,320.00)
65. Virginia Commonwealth University School of Medicine ($44,806,089.00)
66. University of New Mexico School of Medicine ($44,451,545.00)
67. University of Arizona College of Medicine ($42,064,000.00)
68. University of Nebraska College of Medicine ($41,974,838.00)
69. University of Louisville School of Medicine ($41,230,736.00)
70. Rush Medical College of Rush University Medical Center ($38,928,260.00)
71. University of Vermont College of Medicine ($38,897,272.00)
72. University at Buffalo State University of New York School of Medicine & Biomedical Sciences ($38,609,267.00)
73. Pennsylvania State University College of Medicine ($37,558,813.00)
74. Sidney Kimmel Medical College at Thomas Jefferson University ($37,401,690.00)
75. Rutgers New Jersey Medical School ($37,277,137.00)
76. Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences F. Edward Hebert School of Medicine ($36,831,925.00)
77. University of Oklahoma College of Medicine ($36,149,199.00)
78. University of Connecticut School of Medicine ($34,792,026.00)
79. Mayo Medical School ($34,475,237.00)
80. Rutgers, Robert Wood Johnson Medical School ($33,565,757.00)
81. Michigan State University College of Human Medicine ($30,516,721.00)
82. Loyola University Chicago Stritch School of Medicine ($30,119,566.00)
83. Medical College of Georgia at Georgia Regents University ($26,604,681.00)
84. Morehouse School of Medicine ($26,363,577.00)
85. Eastern Virginia Medical School ($25,322,533.00)
86. University of Puerto Rico School of Medicine ($25,135,664.00)
87. State University of New York Downstate Medical Center College of Medicine ($24,099,679.00)
88. Tufts University School of Medicine ($24,088,936.00)
89. Hofstra North Shore - LIJ School of Medicine ($22,998,902.00)
90. University of Tennessee Health Science Center College of Medicine ($21,968,684.00)
91. University of Hawaii, John A. Burns School of Medicine ($21,794,757.00)
92. University of Missouri-Columbia School of Medicine ($21,493,627.00)
93. Drexel University College of Medicine ($19,448,689.00)
94. University of Mississippi School of Medicine ($19,317,062.00)
95. Loma Linda University School of Medicine ($19,155,522.00)
96. Tulane University School of Medicine ($18,689,891.00)
97. Texas A&M Health Science Center College of Medicine ($17,430,776.00)
98. Louisiana State University School of Medicine in New Orleans ($16,755,768.00)
99. State University of New York Upstate Medical University ($15,900,311.00)
100. Saint Louis University School of Medicine ($15,572,588.00)
101. University of Nevada School of Medicine ($15,444,272.00)
102. University of Arizona College of Medicine-Phoenix ($13,615,000.00)
103. Meharry Medical College ($13,311,360.00)
104. The University of Toledo College of Medicine ($12,980,983.00)
105. West Virginia University School of Medicine ($9,981,267.00)
106. Ponce Health Sciences University School of Medicine ($9,440,782.00)
107. University of South Carolina School of Medicine ($8,991,881.00)
108. New York Medical College ($8,455,667.00)
109. Howard University College of Medicine ($8,323,671.00)
110. Louisiana State University School of Medicine in Shreveport ($8,306,473.00)
111. Creighton University School of Medicine ($7,886,314.00)
112. University of North Dakota School of Medicine and Health Sciences ($7,873,661.00)
113. Sanford School of Medicine The University of South Dakota ($7,586,573.00)
114. Albany Medical College ($7,333,925.00)
115. Southern Illinois University School of Medicine ($7,120,800.00)
116. University of South Alabama College of Medicine ($7,080,580.00)
117. Virginia Tech Carilion School of Medicine ($6,974,710.00)
118. University of Central Florida College of Medicine ($6,632,771.00)
119. University of Missouri-Kansas City School of Medicine ($6,456,570.00)
120. Chicago Medical School at Rosalind Franklin University of Medicine & Science ($6,252,622.00)
121. Wright State University Boonshoft School of Medicine ($6,246,168.00)
122. Florida State University College of Medicine ($4,892,659.00)
123. The Brody School of Medicine at East Carolina University ($4,771,688.00)
124. Universidad Central del Caribe School of Medicine ($4,547,975.00)
125. Texas Tech University Health Sciences Center Paul L. Foster School of Medicine ($4,364,504.00)
126. Texas Tech University Health Sciences Center School of Medicine ($3,644,106.00)
127. Marshall University Joan C. Edwards School of Medicine ($3,633,579.00)
128. Northeast Ohio Medical University ($3,371,708.00)
129. Oakland University William Beaumont School of Medicine ($2,708,963.00)
130. East Tennessee State University James H. Quillen College of Medicine ($2,628,229.00)
131. University of California, Riverside, School of Medicine ($2,208,201.00)
132. Florida International University Herbert Wertheim College of Medicine ($2,194,320.00)
133. Florida Atlantic University Charles E. Schmidt College of Medicine ($2,046,237.00)
134. Mercer University School of Medicine ($1,315,172.00)
135. The Commonwealth Medical College ($413,245.00)
136. Central Michigan University College of Medicine ($309,138.00)
137. Cooper Medical School of Rowan University ($0.00)
138. Frank H. Netter MD School of Medicine at Quinnipiac University ($0.00)
139. San Juan Bautista School of Medicine ($0.00)
140. University of South Carolina School of Medicine - Greenville ($0.00)
141. Western Michigan University Homer Stryker M.D. School of Medicine ($0.00)

Some interesting things to note:
  • The new/newer schools are, unsurprisingly at the bottom
  • For some reason, some schools that are ranked higher in USNWR's "research" ranking are ranked much lower in my ranking. For example, Creighton is tied with several other schools at #79 while here it comes in at only #111. What other factors does US News & World Report consider in their research rankings?
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wh2k13 said:
What other factors does US News & World Report consider in their research rankings?
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I’m pretty sure that they consider the overall MCAT and GPA of applicants and matriculants, hospital affiliations, and evaluations from certain people. Not certain but I think these are at least some of the other factors.
 
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OP, keep in mind that these rankings don't measure the quality of medical education. More than anything, they're a source of bragging rights.
 
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Lawper said:
@ChemEngMD provided a pretty solid paper where the authors revised the US News Rankings to provide much stronger evaluations. Let me find where the paper is first.

EDIT: Found it (credit to @Narmerguy)

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/alternative-to-usnews-rankings-for-med-schools.1117573/

Your research fund evaluation is good but the paper addresses other pressing factors needed to rank the schools accordingly.
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On top of this I would also point to an excellent blog post by @chronicidal looking at some of the "accounting" that goes on with these research dollars.

https://anastomosed.wordpress.com/2013/03/14/what-would-it-take-to-knock-harvard-med-off-1-in-usnwr/
 
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The attempt to use some objective measure is commendable but let's just be real here.

Nobody is going to consider UCLA/UWashinghton over Hopkins.

Sure some may argue this is sort of a Catch-22 (for example, any ranking that doesn't have Harvard in the top 10 is pretty much useless - but that also ensures that Harvard can never drop out of the top 10) but the reality is that ranking is very much about perception. And perceptions are hard to change. You are not going to have UCLA perceived as being better than Hopkins.
 
justadream said:
The attempt to use some objective measure is commendable but let's just be real here.

Nobody is going to consider UCLA/UWashinghton over Hopkins.

Sure some may argue this is sort of a Catch-22 (for example, any ranking that doesn't have Harvard in the top 10 is pretty much useless - but that also ensures that Harvard can never drop out of the top 10) but the reality is that ranking is very much about perception. And perceptions are hard to change. You are not going to have UCLA perceived as being better than Hopkins.
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I would definitely consider UCLA over Hopkins haha
 
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@justadream, so you're gonna tell me that an applicant with a Geffen scholarship and/or someone who has their support system in LA wouldn't consider UCLA over Hopkins?

And what about the applicant who's interested in rural primary care? Why would that person choose Hopkins over U Wash?

Don't get me wrong, Hopkins is amazing, but it's not the ideal fit for everyone.
 
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@justadream, so you're gonna tell me that an applicant with a Geffen scholarship and/or someone who has their support system in LA wouldn't consider UCLA over Hopkins?

And what about the applicant who's interested in rural primary care? Why would that person choose Hopkins over U Wash?

Don't get me wrong, Hopkins is amazing, but it's not the ideal fit for everyone.
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I'm not saying applicants shouldn't choose UCLA over Hopkins but I am saying that Hopkins is widely considered to be the better medical school. Sure you can find some random thing here and there for which [insert medical school here] is better than [Harvard/Hopkins] but on balance, schools like Harvard/Hopkins are better than most of the schools in the country.

The comparison you referenced implicitly acknowledges this. You are comparing people with full-ride scholarships at UCLA to non-full-ride scholarships to Hopkins. That is implying that in order for UCLA to be comparable, you need to give it a handicap (i.e., the Geffen scholarship). A better comparison would be full-ride to UCLA vs. full-ride to Hopkins (which I know they don't give).
 
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I'm not saying applicants shouldn't choose UCLA over Hopkins but I am saying that Hopkins is widely considered to be the better medical school. Sure you can find some random thing here and there for which [insert medical school here] is better than [Harvard/Hopkins] but on balance, schools like Harvard/Hopkins are better than most of the schools in the country.

The comparison you referenced implicitly acknowledges this. You are comparing people with full-ride scholarships at UCLA to non-full-ride scholarships to Hopkins. That is implying that in order for UCLA to be comparable, you need to give it a handicap (i.e., the Geffen scholarship). A better comparison would be full-ride to UCLA vs. full-ride to Hopkins (which I know they don't give).
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You explicitly said nobody would consider UCLA and U Wash over Hopkins. And I also gave an example of someone who has their support system in LA.

Honestly, I think people put too much emphasis on the overall prestige of certain schools. In the end, it all comes down to each applicant's preferences.
 
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You explicitly said nobody would consider UCLA and U Wash over Hopkins. And I also gave an example of someone who has their support system in LA.

Honestly, I think people put too much emphasis on the overall prestige of certain schools. In the end, it all comes down to each applicant's preferences.
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Yes, sorry, I should clarify: in terms of prestige/ranking, nobody is going to consider UCLA/UWash over Hopkins.

Now on a case-by-case basis for each person, prestige might not be the only consideration. For example, paying 0 dollars to go to UCLA is probably better than paying 300k to go to HMS. Or, if your wife lives in LA, then UCLA might be a better choice. The point remains however that Hopkins/Harvard would still be considered better in the prestige/rankings department.
 
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The point remains however that Hopkins/Harvard would still be considered better in the prestige/rankings department.
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But does this factoid serve any practical purpose for most applicants? Probably not. As I stated earlier, it's about the bragging rights.
 
What's research funding generally like for DO schools?
 
As a point about Harvard's money, realize that this is heavily disputed because of the fact that HMS counts money from affilliate hospitals that may or may not actually flow through HMS (MGH specifically). Most other medical schools because of their "ownership" of a main hospital, only factor in that money.
 
The Harvard research $ is suspiciously high. Sadly the UW is about to take a tumble off this list. They just approved a new medical school in state at WSU, which means research $ will be split as soon as in 2017.

One major flaw of the USNews ranking, similar to their undergrad ranking, is the 20% weight given to peer evaluation. What would an administrator at UCLA know about the UW, Baylor or NYU's programs unless he/she has worked/studied there?
 
resiroth said:
http://www.brimr.org/NIH_Awards/2014/SchoolOfMedicine_2014.xls Seems to indicate >350 million for WUSTL from the NIH alone.

Thoughts on this discrepancy?
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These rankings should not be trusted until the ultimate source of these figures are revealed and confirmed against something reputable like Blue Ridge. These rankings are like a tertiary source, basically gossip. Wh2k13s -> RASM -> MSAR -> ??? WashU hasn't had figures like only $250mil for many years, so this can't be a matter of just outdated data, but questionable accounting.
 
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The Harvard research $ is suspiciously high. Sadly the UW is about to take a tumble off this list. They just approved a new medical school in state at WSU, which means research $ will be split as soon as in 2017.

One major flaw of the USNews ranking, similar to their undergrad ranking, is the 20% weight given to peer evaluation. What would an administrator at UCLA know about the UW, Baylor or NYU's programs unless he/she has worked/studied there?
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Because rankings are inherently about perception which is subjective. And this perception likely has some influence on your career (for example, residency director might give the slightest* advantage to someone from HMS if everything else is roughly equal ).

*We can get into arguments about how much this is but that's besides the point - even it if helps the tiniest amount, it counts as an advantage

In other words, you cannot quantify everything about rankings. I'm sure that if you adjusted the methodology enough you could probably find ways to make a ranking in which Harvard is not top 5. But the reality is that most people in the medical world would firmly consider HMS to be an overall top 5 med school.
 
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