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Realize MD probably isn't an option next cycle. Seeing if its possible to go DO? Either is fine with me as long as I'm a doctor in the end.

Overall GPA: 3.75 (AACOMAS calculated)
Science GPA: 3.65 (AACOMAS calculated)
Non science: 3.97 (AACOMAS calculated)

MCAT: 1st attempt: 19 (Kill me 🙁)
2nd attempt: 24 (P 8, V 6, B 10) (seriously, kill me) I guess its better than doing worse?:shrug:

Research: 2 years in one lab, 1 year in another
2 years hospital work
4 years physician shadow (6 docs total, different fields)
2 medical missions
2 Non medical missions
Leadership during undergrad
Medical/ non medical volunteer
Good LOR

Any advice/ input would be greatly appreciated
 
To be honest you can might still get into a DO school your GPA is actual very good. I would say apply to schools within the mcat range. Your bio is pretty strong
 
If you really want to be MD, retake new MCAT, get 28+, and apply.
If you want to be a physician, retake new MCAT or not and apply.
 
Def stick with DO if you're not retaking the mcat. You should have a shot at newer schools
 
I dont know why everyone tells OP, and others like him (high gpa w/ very low mcat) to apply DO. Yes you'll get into a newer school, but do you really want to go to those? You will probably be pushed into primary care too..

I say retake, get 26+, you'll get into atleast mid tier DO schools. those are worth it
 
breezy124 said:
I dont know why everyone tells OP, and others like him (high gpa w/ very low mcat) to apply DO. Yes you'll get into a newer school, but do you really want to go to those? You will probably be pushed into primary care too..

I say retake, get 26+, you'll get into atleast mid tier DO schools. those are worth it
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Well the way I see it once you get into med school rotation expose you to different specialties . You then choose what you want to do your residency in. Yes some school prep you for primary care, but it's up to you to destroy the boards and each school preps you for it.
 
You should have a shot at newer schools.
cPN
 
going to be hard pressed with a 24-26 to get in at an MD school IMO.

37.5 percent of people with a GPA > 3.80 and a 24-26 MCAT were accepted to an MD school in 2013. (for Caucasian applicants)

however, between 27-29, that percent almost doubles to 62%. if you can hit a 30, you're looking at > 70-75%

https://www.aamc.org/download/321518/data/2013factstable25-4.pdf
 
With 2 poor MCATs, for MD schools it would need to be 33+.

For DO schools, apply broadly, and target the newest schools. Skip the CA and NY Touros, Western, KCUMB, CCOM and AZCOM. Avoid LUCOM.


MetricSystem said:
If you really want to be MD, retake new MCAT, get 28+, and apply.
If you want to be a physician, retake new MCAT or not and apply.
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Dr.Jekyll75 said:
Well the way I see it once you get into med school rotation expose you to different specialties . You then choose what you want to do your residency in. Yes some school prep you for primary care, but it's up to you to destroy the boards and each school preps you for it.
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My point is, you will not get into a good residency program even for IM, and definatley not anything very competitive, if you choose those new schools. In the end, those schools, and even established lower ranked schools like it (think wvsom and lincoln memorial) cater to the area's need of PCP's rather than placement in competitive areas/residencies.
 
not on topic, but I never understand how people can have such high gpa's and but do bad on mcat.

It just sounds like you need to rewrite the mcat.
 
Imnotfromjersey said:
not on topic, but I never understand how people can have such high gpa's and but do bad on mcat.

It just sounds like you need to rewrite the mcat.
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Non-competitive undergrad / mcat to some degree tests innate abilities to think critically.
 
breezy124 said:
My point is, you will not get into a good residency program even for IM, and definatley not anything very competitive, if you choose those new schools. In the end, those schools, and even established lower ranked schools like it (think wvsom and lincoln memorial) cater to the area's need of PCP's rather than placement in competitive areas/residencies.
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I respect your opinion and I understand were you're coming from, but I wouldn't discourage someone from applying to newer schools because of the primary care thing. Residencies are given by merit and people and connections. You get to know these people through your rotations and the merit position comes in on the complex. At the end of the day you are taking the same complex exam as the kid that went to azcom. If you perform better and have solid connections or credentials you'll be fine.
Imnotfromjersey said:
not on topic, but I never understand how people can have such high gpa's and but do bad on mcat.

It just sounds like you need to rewrite the mcat.
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There's many reasons like Breezy said.i think the biggest one is the wording on standardized tests. I had a 23 on my act and barely got into a school that's is high on the difficulty spectrum when it comes to sciences. I'm in top 10% in my class. I just work harder and it shows on my gpa
 
breezy124 said:
My point is, you will not get into a good residency program even for IM, and definatley not anything very competitive, if you choose those new schools. In the end, those schools, and even established lower ranked schools like it (think wvsom and lincoln memorial) cater to the area's need of PCP's rather than placement in competitive areas/residencies.
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http://forums.studentdoctor.net/thr...-thread-2012-2013.912672/page-9#post-13818092

This is RVU's 2nd class's match list, which is decently diverse. Not only were they a new school, but also for-profit.
 
Dr.Jekyll75 said:
:highfive:very well put
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As far as matching competitively, you will face the same difficulties no matter what DO school you attend. An exception might be if your school has a ton of affiliated competitive residencies or rotation sites that host these- you may have easier access to those programs. In the end it is your performance. I don't think that simply having an older or newer DO school on your CV will put you at a measurable advantage nor disadvantage once you apply for residency, especially ACGME.
 
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user3 said:
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/thr...-thread-2012-2013.912672/page-9#post-13818092

This is RVU's 2nd class's match list, which is decently diverse. Not only were they a new school, but also for-profit.
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hmm, that is true. But when people generally tell OP they have a shot at "new" schools, i don't think they're implying RVU. It's stats are around 3.6/28, which are pretty high. It seems more like an anamoly than anything else. Touro NY is also relatively new but it has the Touro system which was already established.

Unless I am wrong and apply to new schools includes RVU, then I cannot agree with that. OP imo does not stand a good chance there.
 
user3 said:
As far as matching competitively, you will face the same difficulties no matter what DO school you attend. An exception might be if your school has a ton of affiliated competitive residencies that you may have easier access to. In the end it is your performance, and I don't think simply attending older or newer school will give you a measurable advantage or disadvantage.
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Yes, you're correct newer vs older might not make a difference, as you pointed out RVU is new but has a pretty good match list. But generally, I would say it does matter.

Campbell vs CCOM. Ccom will place better
Off topic a bit, but State vs private: Rowan/MSU/TCom vs. WCU/LMU/LakeErie, the former will help place better.

Of course the individual dictates his or her own score in the end, but school matters to some degree
 
breezy124 said:
Yes, you're correct newer vs older might not make a difference, as you pointed out RVU is new but has a pretty good match list. But generally, I would say it does matter.

Campbell vs CCOM. Ccom will place better
Off topic a bit, but State vs private: Rowan/MSU/TCom vs. WCU/LMU/LakeErie, the former will help place better.

Of course the individual dictates his or her own score in the end, but school matters to some degree
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most allopathic residencies do not know one DO school from the next. Someone with mediocre scores from CCOM vs Campbell, applying ACGME, will probably fare similarly.

The user cliquish, who I believe attended PCOM, wrote about how most programs he had interviewed for had never even heard of his school.
 
user3 said:
most allopathic residencies do not know one DO school from the next. Someone with mediocre scores from CCOM vs Campbell, applying ACGME, will probably fare similarly.

The user cliquish, who I believe attended PCOM, wrote about how most programs he had interviewed for had never even heard of his school.
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Really? I had always assumed that in the tristate area PCOM would be known? Likewise, in the midwest CCOM would have a good reputation for nearby residency directors?

If you mean like somone from CCOM applying to residency acgme in florida, yup you're probably 100% right.
 
Dr.Jekyll75 said:
Ive read a few of your posts, you're on a DO ass kicking crusade from hell.... I approve :highfive:
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I got nothing against MDs and I'm not here to sell DOs to anyone. But I'm not going to let people downplay roles of DOs and make criticisms, without validity, of a profession that I will be going into. :horns:
 
MetricSystem said:
I got nothing against MDs and I'm not here to sell DOs to anyone. But I'm not going to let people downplay roles of DOs and make criticisms, without validity, of a profession that I will be going into. :horns:
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I did not "downplay" the whole profession. I downplayed the lower end schools for their ability to match to in decent acgme residencies.

I don't get where your hostility is coming from.
 
Sorry to troll, but just a question! I see that people with 23MCATs and a 3.6 GPA are getting accepted to DO schools all over, on "extension of underdogsmcats 24 or below" thread (not sure of its exact name) yet people are like you "MIGHT" get in with your 3.75 cumulative and 24 mcat to 'MID' tier DO schools or apply to just the "newer schools". What are the discrepancies here? I m sure there is something I am missing.
 
Osteopathinthemaking said:
Sorry to troll, but just a question! I see that people with 23MCATs and a 3.6 GPA are getting accepted to DO schools all over, on "extension of underdogsmcats 24 or below" thread (not sure of its exact name) yet people are like you "MIGHT" get in with your 3.75 cumulative and 24 mcat to 'MID' tier DO schools or apply to just the "newer schools". What are the discrepancies here? I m sure there is something I am missing.
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Just looked through that thread. Lots of wvsom, liberty, lmu, etc.

These schools are very low tier. In addition, nobody is posting where they live and ORM/URM status - which make a huge difference as I keep saying over and over again.

I'm surprised by the rowansom one with a 22 and low gpa. Must be URM.
 
Osteopathinthemaking said:
Sorry to troll, but just a question! I see that people with 23MCATs and a 3.6 GPA are getting accepted to DO schools all over, on "extension of underdogsmcats 24 or below" thread (not sure of its exact name) yet people are like you "MIGHT" get in with your 3.75 cumulative and 24 mcat to 'MID' tier DO schools or apply to just the "newer schools". What are the discrepancies here? I m sure there is something I am missing.
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Even having a high GPA/high MCAT can off set a low MCAT/low GPA. It doesn't really make them underdogs, but somewhat competitive.
 
IslandStyle808 said:
Even having a high GPA/high MCAT can off set a low MCAT/low GPA. It doesn't really make them underdogs, but somewhat competitive.
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gotcha! I guess I was wondering the tone of this whole thread, is "might have a chance at" sounds a bit on the toned down side to how much of a shot the poster actually has with the 3.75 and the 24 MCAT, especially while the "underdogs" or whatever are getting in with a lower GPA and a similar MCAT. However I could be interrupting the tone of the post different.
 
breezy124 said:
Just looked through that thread. Lots of wvsom, liberty, lmu, etc.

These schools are very low tier. In addition, nobody is posting where they live and ORM/URM status - which make a huge difference as I keep saying over and over again.

I'm surprised by the rowansom one with a 22 and low gpa. Must be URM.
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Do you think their ECs/LOR have more to do with it or just the URM/ORM status?
 
Osteopathinthemaking said:
Do you think their ECs/LOR have more to do with it or just the URM/ORM status?
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Everyone and there mothers can play up their EC's, likewise, everyone has good LOR's.
It has to do with where your from (rural vs urban, midwest vs northeast etc.) and your ethnicity (URM vs ORM)

Yes there are a few here and there which have extraordinary EC's and LOR's, but they're more the exception than the norm. I seen several times on the MD forums here people explictly say they have a major EC that helped them (think things like profession baseball player or multiple top notch publications or discovered something).

If you're going to make an underdog thread, I think there should be a column for ORM/URM and if any outstanding EC's (of course, everyone thinks their EC's are outstanding 🙄)

**EDIT: forgot to mention, the EC I most respect (and I believe adcom would too) is taking on a major job or multiple jobs to pay for your education throughout college. That is TOUGH.
 
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Osteopathinthemaking said:
Sorry to troll, but just a question! I see that people with 23MCATs and a 3.6 GPA are getting accepted to DO schools all over, on "extension of underdogsmcats 24 or below" thread (not sure of its exact name) yet people are like you "MIGHT" get in with your 3.75 cumulative and 24 mcat to 'MID' tier DO schools or apply to just the "newer schools". What are the discrepancies here? I m sure there is something I am missing.
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3.2+/3.2+/24+ and no red flags + early, broad app = favorable chance of at least 1 DO acceptance.
 
blah12346497 said:
user3 even with a 6 verbal? (9/6/10 = 25 mcat and 3.47 GPA). Sorry I have been lurking and will be working full time until next cycle not allowing me much time to prep for a new mcat. Iv posted a WAMC thread before but its nice to get other opinions.
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Yes with the exception of CUSOM (they screen anything under a 7) and PCOM-Philadelphia (I think it is 8). You won't be screen at KCUMB as long as your science GPA is over 3.25.
 
IslandStyle808 said:
Yes with the exception of CUSOM (they screen anything under a 7) and PCOM-Philadelphia (I think it is 8). You won't be screen at KCUMB as long as your science GPA is over 3.25.
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Mmmm I think even CUSOM gives exceptions to this rule as I was given and II there too with a below 7 sub score. Though I def agree that PCOM has a hard cut off.
 
user3 said:
3.2+/3.2+/24+ and no red flags + early, broad app = favorable chance of at least 1 DO acceptance.
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User 3, what school do you attend?

yes 1 DO acceptance. But is a school like Liberty or wvsom really worth it, unless you plan to work in those areas/in primary care?
 
blah12346497 said:
user3 even with a 6 verbal? (9/6/10 = 25 mcat and 3.47 GPA). Sorry I have been lurking and will be working full time until next cycle not allowing me much time to prep for a new mcat. Iv posted a WAMC thread before but its nice to get other opinions.
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You'll be fine. apply early, to mostly low and mid tier and a few top tier. I suspect if your EC's are in check and you have that DO LOR, you'll get into a mid tier.

Goodluck!
 
IslandStyle808 said:
Yes with the exception of CUSOM (they screen anything under a 7) and PCOM-Philadelphia (I think it is 8). You won't be screen at KCUMB as long as your science GPA is over 3.25.
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Forgot to mention to cross out Touro-NV (but not sure if there are exceptions) they have a 25 MCAT cut off.
 
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