What are my chances?

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Originally posted by Ruminant
I am a bit confused here. I came on this board to get some advice. Instead I was attacked, and you questioned if I have what it takes to be a doctor and my motivations for medicine. I sense agression from people who are supposed to be the future doctors of our society, the people who are supposed to be there to help others at any cost. I do wonder if medical field fits some of you.

:laugh: i'll be damned if i buy this. please do not embarrass yourself with comments like these. unlike you, i appreciated the intelligent feedback and i am looking forward to being colleagues with the other posters. people like them make me optimistic of the future of medicine. there is such a thing as critical thinking so excuse me if in reading your posts i doubted your motivations for becoming a physician. let me summarize: you asked a question, you received helpful and well-meaning answers, you wondered what the deal is with app uniqueness, you got eloquent, introspective and sensible answers, then you find out how hard the md app process is and so you resort to 'i am also considering d.o.' comments and completely regressed to 'actually i just want to apply once and if i don't get in, i'll be happy in another career.' many things worth having would involve struggles. why are you so easy to give up? you were given the hard truth not to dissuade you but to better equip you with knowledge. can you be more obtuse?
 
Ruminant,
I don't think anybody spoke with the intent to dissuade you from applying to medical school. We're just trying to be helpful and direct in our advice. However, this thread compares NOTHING to the process you are about to begin. The process is not just humbling, its a hard kick in the butt every time you have contact with schools. I don't know if you've been following the threads, but people get hurt every step of the way so you have to learn to toughen up a bit and take the best you can from it. You'll have schools cash your check the day they send you a rejection (not even looking at your application first), you'll have schools that won't answer the phone and won't send you any correspondence, you'll talk to really b****y secretaries who make you feel an inch tall and many other things.

Sometimes you might get interviewed. You'll get nervous and excited, then you'll go in and they'll rip you apart. I've come out of interviews where I just wanted to crawl into a hole because they made me feel so unworthy. You have to know the answer to why you did and chose everything in your life so far, you have to be sincere (none of this "I want to be a doctor to help people" stuff - the interviewer will just laugh and tell you to become a teacher). Answering "why" is the easy part. Some interviewers give an air of disapproval no matter what you say. Somehow you have to find a way to talk to them when they're like that without being defensive, arrogant or falling apart. My mom is convinced that the whole process is sadistic, and I agree to a degree.

The reason I'm saying all this is because the advice we're giving in this thread is aimed towards helping you minimize the pain that we went through and helping you gain a realistic perspective. I thought my advisor was nuts when she said wait until i had the best application because i thought i could always reapply. Reapplying isn't as easy as sending in a new application. You actually have to prove what you did to improve your application (secondary applications will have essay questions asking re-applicants this) - do you think you can make significant improvements during your senior year while waiting to see if you get in? If not, you'll have to take 2 years off instead of one. I'm not saying you won't get in this year, it's just something to think about.

The process sucks. It really wore me down - I'm just trying to help so you don't go through the same. All the best of luck - apply to a broad range of schools and find a unique way to present yourself in your personal statement and you'll have a shot.
 
Originally posted by Ruminant
I am a bit confused here. I came on this board to get some advice. Instead I was attacked, and you questioned if I have what it takes to be a doctor and my motivations for medicine. I sense agression from people who are supposed to be the future doctors of our society, the people who are supposed to be there to help others at any cost. I do wonder if medical field fits some of you.

Not attacking you at all. I told you earlier it was not personal. Am I providing you with harsh criticism that you may not like? Yes, I am! I am questioning your motivations for medicine because I'm just trying to get you to reassess your decisions and choices, thats all. Keep in mind, YOU WILL have to answer these questions at some point in the process whether its on a secondary or at an interview.

You posted asking about your chances. People gave you advice you didn't like. You made some statements about "all or nothing" and it made me question your commitment. You lacked the "patience and willingness" to go the extra mile to ensure an acceptance. You said you wanted to be a fully fledged MD by 30. Of course I am gonna question your motivations. You have portrayed yourself as someone who really could care less if you got into medical school or not and someone who just wants to "have an MD before 30."

For all I know I could be wrong. I said that earlier. But you haven't posted anything to make me believe otherwise.

You claim you "sense aggression from people who are supposed to be the future doctors of our society, the people who are supposed to be there to help others at any cost. I do wonder if medical field fits some of you." Come on, if I sense that you are getting into this profession for the wrong reasons, not attempting to get you to assess your decisions would be a disservice to you as well as the medical profession. If I sat here and said "ruminant, you are golden. apply right this moment. furthermore, your motivation and commitment are golden as well." How much would that help you?

I want you to become a physician. I want you to get into medical school. Ultimately, you don't have to prove anything to me or anyone else here. But hopefully the harsh criticisms and difficult questions you are facing on this thread will get you to prove to yourself and eventually prove to admissions committees why you would be a worthy asset to the medical profession.
 
Originally posted by Ruminant
Therefore, I will focus now on getting into an out of state school which I believe would be a bit easier.
As to UCLAMANs questions

Because, Why not, because in that order respectively.

Sorry I didn't see this post before I posted.

Harsh criticism alert....

Do you think this will fly on a secondary? Do you think this will work for a physician interviewing you? That is the lamest answer to those questions that I have ever heard.

I pose some tough questions for you and your answers are "Because, Why not, because?" Based on that post I'm going to further conclude that you don't know what you are getting yourself into.

If you truly knew the answer you would be all over those questions. Have you put any thought at all into those questions? I hope at some point before applying you eventually do.

If you do plan on applying this year you will definitely need to have meaningful and thoughtful answers to those questions. Make sure you have the answers as well as the experiences to support your answers for those questions.
 
hey rum,

I can see where you are coming from. You have been doing well up to now and you probably have better stats than some people that have been accepted to medical school why would you not be a good candidate?

I think the others were not saying you dont have a shot at medical school. They were simply trying to say it can be difficult to get in, no matter what your stats are.

First they said you can overcome this obstacle by making yourself look unique through your activities. Remember, you make yourself look unique by how you present you activities on paper, like UCLAMAN was saying.

Furthermore, you got all defensive on us when people suggested some things to improve your application. Becareful, they will do this to you in your interview (yes, im sure you will get plenty of them). The doctor will try to rip your application in half (like abw was saying), and you cannot get all defensive on the interviewer or you are out.

You are only human I know. But when someone suggests something just say "thanks for the comments I appreciate you taking the time to suggest a way in which improve my application."

Be polite, everyone here is not getting paid (by any means) to come offer advice, they do it because they actually care. These are the future doctors of America and they are an excellent bunch. Alot of them did me the favor of proofreading my personal statement for medical school. Some of them totally ripped it apart. I could have taken the attitude that they didnt know anything. However, I took all their comments into consideration and now I think my essay is awesome (thanks guys!). All I am saying is that if you ask for advice on SDN be willing to hear what the people have to say. In the end you make the decision as to what you will do. It is a priviledge for me to be part of this community and I know if I need to ask someone for advice or help there are alot of people willing to do so on this board. Good luck with your applications, it can be stressful on everyone; I'm sure you will get through. Take care.
 
Ruminant,

If you want to be a full fledged doctor by 30 are you already ruling out specialties such as Neurosurgery, Urology, Radiology, otolaryngology, and General surgery? If you start med school at 22 (I don't know your age) it takes at least nine years to complete training in any of these specialties. Additionally, if you want to do academic medicine you will probably have to put a year of research in some where. This 30 year old time limit could limit your career choices a lot. Just something to consider. I mean what if you really like interventional radiology or something it might be worth it to spend a couple extra years training so you can do what you want to. Just a thought.

It takes a long time to become a doctor. Any sane and conscious individual has to ask, "is it worth it?" Don't worry if people question your motivation. You should question your motivation as well. It is a logical thing to do. If the answer comes back "yes, it is worth it" then great. If not that is not a bad thing. Just make sure you ask yourself why you are doing this, or anything else, never say why not. That is a dangerous attitude that can leave you unhappy, I know from first hand experience because I am an unhappy old guy that said "why not". Don't become angry at this response. I am just saying that you should understand your motivations and have a clear goal supported by clear logic. If you do then you are on the right track.

Wack
 
I have to say that this entire thread has throroughly depressed me. Louweezel, you have accomplished more before the age of twenty then I imagine myself doing in my entire life! And those grades and stats are unbelievable. It astonishes me that any school would reject you, especially without an interview. What on earth were they looking for?

Out of curiosity and if it isn't too personal a question, did you ever learn what any of those committees found lacking in your application? It just seems that if they wouldn't want someone like you, they must be accepting applicants from some other planet somewhere.

Ok, I'm going to take a deep breath and start researching the least prestigous schools in the country to apply to.:laugh:

Oldlady
 
UCLAMAN, it's called sarcasm. I do not feel the need to justify my motivation to medicine to you. Wack, I'm 19 and would like to go into primary care and so could most likely finish before 30.

I just have to say that as Dr. Steve Urkel said, I might have better stats than some people that have been accepted on this board and I do believe this. Let me summarize what has happened on this thread. I gave my stats and activities saying I would like to make some medical school particularly in CA if possible. The responses I have received say that I should be more "unique" because my activities are much like everybody else's activities as UCLAMAN had said. I mean EVERYONE shadows physicians. EVERYONE volunteers in a hospital for a year and a half. EVERYONE plays intramural sports and is in clubs. EVERYONE has gone to 2 premedical programs where several doctors have talked to us and we got to shadow them. One of those programs is MMEP which I guess EVERYONE has done. EVERYONE has had a job for a year in school working 12 hours a week while doing 16 units a quarter and still maintaining a 3.7 gpa. Your right these are all activites that EVERYONE has done and i am not unique. I have to go to Somalia to feed the starving kids there. I have to take a couple of years off because I am not "unique" enough to make med school. What the hell was I thinking.

I have always thought of DO schools as a good option and not just because I "realized" i couldnt make MD. I proceeded to say that i feel my experiences are unique enough. People like moviefreak said i was arrogant for believing that. UCLAMAN asked why i dont want to wait till 30 and I gave him my honest answer even though it wasnt good enough. He proceeded to say I wasnt good enough to get into med school because i had no motivation or did not have the "patience" to stay in the classes and so forth. So UCLAMAN and moviefreak were the ones that started this mess. Yes i have listened to your advice and have thanked those that gave it. However, I don't the feel the need to take a year off to be unique. Many may take issue with this as I believe has happened and have considered me to be arrogant and naive. However, I do think my experiences show my uniqueness in their own way and will not live in Nigeria to tutor the homeless Nigerians.
 
I guess I'm preaching to the choir here huh?

I apologize if you have taken my harsh comments personal.

Good luck on your future endeavors Ruminant. 🙂
 
it's nice how you summarized the thread but it's certainly not how you came off. seems like you only posted originally to hear what you wanted to hear. those replies that were given to you were not even close to attacking you. they were opinions like you asked for. you're the one that posted up your experiences, stats, and all of your other qualifications asking for what people thought of it...we all took it as a friendly gesture to get opinions and some advice. apparently, all you wanted was to hear some praise right? well, you certainly aren't good at taking honest criticisms...

oh, and i like how you pointed fingers at UCLAMAN and moviefreak...good job! nobody here knows much about you, but with what you have posted, you have certainly portrayed your character as a person.

dude...good luck.
 
Look Ruminant,

I think this is all one big misunderstanding, are you an excellent candidate?--probably, have you done a lot of standard "premed" resume filler?--yes-- we all have. Have you done things that are quirky and distinguishably "Ruminantesque"?-- hell yeah! But you've got to get it across to adcoms, that's all.
It is unrealistic to expect us to glean more than a superficial knowledge of your credentials from the few details you provided in your original post.

All people are trying to get you to realize is that just writing a laundry list of your activities is not gonna cut it as a personal statement on your AMCAS, regardless of stats!!!
I believe you've laid the groundwork to get into a Cali school, you don't have to take a year off, just know that you are gonna have to sell it hard, if you want to compete with the experiences of people who have taken time off and done amazing things beyond graduation...

So take a deep breath and CHILL 😉

WORD
 
Originally posted by Ruminant
I was curious to know what your opinions are of my chances. First, I'll be applying this june as soon as the application comes out for the class of 2004. My overall gpa is a 3.702 and my science gpa is a 3.43. I received a 9V,10B,10P,R which is a 29. I am a California resident...Thanks for any replies.

i'd say you are 100% guaranteed to either be accepted or rejected at any schools you apply to...even the UC schools in CA.

hope this helps!😀
 
Ok so I apologize for some of the posts I have made because I guess I did seem like a prick. The post about how I said I was "attacked" was written by my roommate because he thought you guys would get a kick out of it. He normally goes on to internet boards and causes arguments. So anyways, I am sorry for acting like a jerk.
 
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