What if you don't have a connection to OOS public schools or the state itself?

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Should you just not bother applying to these schools? And what if you aren't even from the region surrounding the state?

I live in the southeast and was thinking about applying to some schools up north.

I have the MSAR and know the OOS acceptance rates for the public schools that I am thinking about applying to. But not sure if I should apply to them with no ties to the state or school.

Is it important having ties to the school or state like having gone to school there, lived up there at some point in your life, or worked there?

And how can you find out? MSAR doesn't say.
 
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Some OOS public schools accept a large number of OOS students.

AAMC has a table somewhere that shows percentage of in-state vs out-of-state matriculants.

Some public schools that accept a large number of OOS students are VCU and Wayne State off the top of my head. i am OOS for both schools, and I received interview invites there.

You’re better off applying to OOS privates where your stats are within the 25-75th percentile though.

Good luck!
 
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Some OOS public schools accept a large number of OOS students.

AAMC has a table somewhere that shows percentage of in-state vs out-of-state matriculants.

Some public schools that accept a large number of OOS students are VCU and Wayne State off the top of my head. i am OOS for both schools, and I received interview invites there.

You’re better off applying to OOS privates where your stats are within the 25-75th percentile though.

Good luck!
I have the MSAR and got all the data to these schools. The OOS public schools have anywhere between 15-55%. Wayne State for example would most of the OOS students be from surrounding states?

Would it be worth it applying from Florida with no ties to the state? What state are you from? If you don't mind me asking.
 
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Depends on the school. MSAR shows OOS applicants, interviews, and matriculants. Use those as a guideline.
 
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Depends on the school. MSAR shows OOS applicants, interviews, and matriculants. Use those as a guideline.
Yeah I've done that. I have the MSAR. Just wondering how much regional bias there is and if most of the people matriculating have ties to the school or state. If they went to school there, worked in the state, lived in the state at some point in their life, etc.
 
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Yeah I've done that. I have the MSAR. Just wondering how much regional bias there is and if most of the people matriculating have ties to the school or state. If they went to school there, worked in the state, lived in the state at some point in their life, etc.
It depends on the school. For example, University of Washington pretty much only takes WWAMI residents, so the raw MSAR data may be misleading.
 

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Having ties is helpful but not necessary. I would not apply to an oos school with a less than like 20% oos acceptance rate unless you have some underlying connection or insane desire to go there.
 

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Should you just not bother applying to these schools? And what if you aren't even from the region surrounding the state?

I live in the southeast and was thinking about applying to some schools up north.
It's very simple. You don't apply there.
The only exceptions that I can recommend if, your stats allow, are

Wayne State
U Toledo
VCU
U VM
EVMS
U MI
U VA
UCF
USF
 

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It's very simple. You don't apply there.
The only exceptions that I can recommend if, your stats allow, are

Wayne State
U Toledo
VCU
U VM
EVMS
U MI
U VA
UCF
USF
Ohio State as well, correct? They have a fairly decent number of OOS. Half of each class is OOS and their OOS interview:matriculant ratio is 23%, meaning the interview:acceptance ratio is likely around 40% they only interview around 8% OOS, but my guess is that the vast majority of those are low/average stats throwing their applications at whatever (That is how I perceive most of the reasons that so many schools have in the thousands of OOS applicaitons).
 
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Ohio as well, correct? They have a fairly decent number of OOS. Half of each class is OOS and their OOS interview:matriculant ratio is 23%, meaning the interview:acceptance ratio is likely around 40% they only interview around 8% OOS, but my guess is that the vast majority of those are low/average stats throwing their applications at whatever (That is how I perceive most of the reasons that so many schools have in the thousands of OOS applicaitons).
I know anecdotally that a fair number of OOSers come from neighboring states like Indiana, Michigan, and Kentucky. Couldn't give you hard numbers, though.
 
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I know anecdotally that a fair number of OOSers come from neighboring states like Indiana, Michigan, and Kentucky. Couldn't give you hard numbers, though.
Looking at MSAR it looks like they come from all over, my best guess would be that there may be a higher selection bias on the side of the applicant so far as home proximity goes (as opposed to selection bias by the institution).
 
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Looking at MSAR it looks like they come from all over, my best guess would be that there may be a higher selection bias on the side of the applicant so far as home proximity goes (as opposed to selection bias by the institution).
Yeah, perhaps I shouldn't have used the word "know" in reference to my anecdata... Great school, though, and it sounds like you could be a great addition to the next class.
 

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Ohio State as well, correct? They have a fairly decent number of OOS. Half of each class is OOS and their OOS interview:matriculant ratio is 23%, meaning the interview:acceptance ratio is likely around 40% they only interview around 8% OOS, but my guess is that the vast majority of those are low/average stats throwing their applications at whatever (That is how I perceive most of the reasons that so many schools have in the thousands of OOS applicaitons).
OH State is another one worth applying to
 

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Some schools may yield protect figuring that you'd prefer a school down south over a northern one.
And while some people do move up north, would you really want to do that if you've no experience of a Northern winter?
 
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Some schools may yield protect figuring that you'd prefer a school down south over a northern one.
And while some people do move up north, would you really want to do that if you've no experience of a Northern winter?
I’m currently in the south and would definitely prefer to move up north. But there are plenty of private schools to apply to, so I don’t know why OP is worried about OOS public schools.
 

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Some schools may yield protect figuring that you'd prefer a school down south over a northern one.
And while some people do move up north, would you really want to do that if you've no experience of a Northern winter?
When I was a kid I stayed fit by gardening in the Spring, mowing in the Summer, raking in the Fall, and especially shoveling in the Winter. I recommend everyone move up north to get all four seasons. Builds character.
 
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Some schools may yield protect figuring that you'd prefer a school down south over a northern one.
And while some people do move up north, would you really want to do that if you've no experience of a Northern winter?
If a school up north is the only school to accept me then yes I will go.
 
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I’m currently in the south and would definitely prefer to move up north. But there are plenty of private schools to apply to, so I don’t know why OP is worried about OOS public schools.
I am applying to plenty of private schools. But was maybe going to include a couple of public schools.
 

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I am applying to plenty of private schools. But was maybe going to include a couple of public schools.
Take a look at tuition for OOS students and ask yourself if you'd be willing to pay list price if it is the only school that accepts you. Some will give you sticker shock.
 
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Take a look at tuition for OOS students and ask yourself if you'd be willing to pay list price if it is the only school that accepts you. Some will give you sticker shock.
On that same notion, however, the majority of private schools have a higher sticker price than most state school OOS tuition (With the wacky exceptions asking for $70K+ OOS tuition....)
 
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Another point is to pay attention to the OOS gpa and mcat ranges for the OOS schools you are thinking of applying to. Some schools have lower standards for IS applicants because they need to accept a fair amount of them but then they have higher standards for OOS applicants. This can be hidden if you are only looking at the 'all accepted applicants' MSAR data.

If a school accepts a decent amount of OOS people with stats similar to yours then I think it is fine to give it a shot and apply assuming you have the money and time to do so. That being said you should be very specific in your essays to those schools about why you are such a good fit for them - what specifically is it about the school that makes you want to go there even though you've never lived there. Not having connections to the state or school and then not being very clear about why you and the school are a great fit will likely lead to your app not being seriously considered.
 
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Take a look at tuition for OOS students and ask yourself if you'd be willing to pay list price if it is the only school that accepts you. Some will give you sticker shock.
I'd be okay with it. Better than not becoming a doctor. :)
 
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It's those few that I'm thinking of.
On that same notion, however, the majority of private schools have a higher sticker price than most state school OOS tuition (With the wacky exceptions asking for $70K+ OOS tuition....)
 
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It's those few that I'm thinking of.
Yah, if I had to choose between not being an MD and U of IL (OOS COA of $120,000!!!!) I would choose the former.
 
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