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What if you fail the drug test by accident before matriculation?

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  1. coralfangs

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    Let's say you consume some special baked goods by accident a week before your matriculation and you fail the drug test, will you be given a second chance?
     
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    I don't think you could explain that situation in a way that will allow you a rescreen. As said through college, "Watch your drink." And now, I guess we must say, watch your food.
     
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    huh? They give out drug tests before you matriculate? :confused:
     
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    go to GNC or a head shop and by some of that cleanser stuff if you are worried, also drink alot of water.
     
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    Some schools, yes.
     
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    I think MSSM does.
     
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    I don't know how much I'd really trust these 'cleanser' products, most of them seem like a pretty big scam. Also, drinking lots of water has been shown not to help much at all.
     
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    Some schools do. Others do them before clinical rotations.

    No, the "accidentally" excuse doesn't work. Neither does the, "My roommate is a heavy pot smoker. I never touch the stuff," excuse.
     
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    oh wow. REALLY they do that? Is it random drug testing or do they give you warning? Are they going to care if I had a couple of drinks the night before? I mean, I'm far from a "user" but from time to time, I might enjoy having an *extra* drink with dinner...

    Eeks. Thanks for starting this thread. I didn't realize I would need to be a total puritan in med school :rolleyes:.
     
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    Let's keep this thread on the subject of "What if You Fail a Drug Screening?" and avoid giving any conjectures about how to avoid detection.
     
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    i dont think they are looking for alcohol users... lol


    on another note, water and cleanser products are better than nothing.
     
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    SECOND REMINDER

    Avoid giving advice about how to avoid detection. Offering medical advice and encouraging, enabling, or condoning activities that are illegal anywhere these forums are read are both against our TOS.
     
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    "special" huh?? You mean a pot-stuffed loaf of bread made by your room who is a heavy pot smoker?? :laugh: a friend of mine failed a drug test and he claimed it was because of some "special" food....it wasnt for med school but they werent forgiving and gave him the boot. I think the best advice anyone has given is to just watch what you eat
     
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    To answer the OP's post, it probably depends on the school. I know kids get kicked out of Mercer (undergrad) for smoking pot, but I can't imagine that all schools would do that. So you should probably contact the school (anonymously) if you want a real answer.
     
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    i think you're done.

    my friend got a real good job at Boeing post-graduation. he did a HAIR test, which is good for detection up to a year i think, and failed. they took his job away.

    I think you were out of luck in picking a school that drug tests, though. i know plenty of residents who smoke the reefer haha

    oh, it also depends on when you get drug tested. haven't you been tested yet? my friend works at a testing clinic or whatever and she said it's generally out of your system in 12 days. i always thought it was a month but nope! it's 12 according to a place that does the tests. it also depends on how fat you are, though lol. since marijuana is lipophilic, it gets into that fat and takes longer to get out. if you're skinny, it'll leave faster! by the way, 12 days is for a urine or stool sample, not hair test
     
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    a YEAR?!?! No flipping way!!

    haha, urine tests is only a few weeks and hair is up to 90 days:
    Hair testing is considered accurate and can go back as far as 90 days. As hair grows out, any drugs used are encased in the hair shaft, so the longer the hair, the more time back in the individual's drug history the laboratory can detect. Human hair grows an average of .5 inches/month, which corresponds to 30 days of possible drug testing for every .5 inch. Testing laboratories generally require 1.5 inches for testing. This means they can test for around 90 days of drug use. This time period depends upon the rate at which the individual's hair grows of course. Some people attempt to circumvent this through shaving their heads. This does not usually work. In the absence of the required amount of hair on the scalp, body hair can be used as an acceptable substitute. If all hair is shaven, the follicles of the hair may be used in place of the hair. Removing the hair follicles is more painful.

    dude, if it were a year, i get the feeling so many of us would be so screwed!
     
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    Isn't the OP talking about poppy seed baked goods? This sounds like a Seinfield episode.
     
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    Since it hasn't been said yet, study harder next time!
     
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    If so that is a myth. You don't pop positive by eating a poppy seed anything. (maybe a giant bowl of poppy seeds though? I dunno)

    Oh and yeh, if you have pot smoking friends do not accept baked goods from them.

    And you are probably SOL if you pop positive. Though I do know that the Military will give you a second (immediately after getting results) test to rule out a false positive. (maybe schools would do that? but if it is a true positive again you are most likely SOL)
     
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    I'm pretty sure you do...mythbusters proved that you show positive for heroin/opium drug tests after eating poppy seeds..and they were eating poppy seed muffins
     
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    I thought that one was busted because you had to eat way to many poppy seeds and it had to be really close to the time you ate them.

    Man now I have to go look it up...

    EDIT: Ok, quick search show I was indeed wrong. Poppy seeds can apparently result in a false positive if you have a sensitive enough test. Though unless you eat them every day I don't see this being an issue.
     
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    Yes, ingestion of poppy seed bagels or poppyseed cake can indeed cause a false positive on a urine test for opiates. Ingestion of poppy seeds can result in a positive drug test as long as two days after ingestion. According to the myth-busting website snopes, "as little as a single bagel covered with poppy seeds could produce a false positive test for these drugs".
     
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    in that case, it can be more than 90 days! you said it right there that they do not always require 1.5 inches of hair. you're all screwed!
     
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    hey you guys,

    here's a predicament...what if you were told on the spot you had to take a drug test. you know you are going to fail and do not want it to be documented for the rest of your life that you failed a drug test. would you say "be right back" and just walk out never to return? they obviously know why you left, but at least you don't have a drug test failure on file.
     
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    However, at the end of the article, it says that modern tests are changed to have a higher threshold to avoid poppy-seed induced positives. Hrm...maybe I'll go to the local Panera bread and chow down on some poppy seed bagels before orientation to test that ;)
     
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    Wait, I eat 2 poppy seed bagels every morning for breakfast, I have done this for the last 2 years. When should I stop eating these to pass a drug test. Is a medical school not going to let me in for consuming breakfast?
     
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    Correct. Eating breakfast is a violation of the rules, and always has been. ;)
     
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    I always thought people used others' urine if they are too concerned like the ^ posters alluded to
     
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    Hahah, lucky for me I shave most everything, so no hair test for them. If someone asked to rip out one of my hair follicles I'll just tell them to F off and take my urine instead. Not that I touch that bad stuff anyway, it's just the principle of the matter. If someone smokes the herb and scores in the 99th percentile, they should be commended for their superior learning skills even with the impairment of herbs.
     
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    Get better friends.

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    Wellll I don't entirely shave my pubes. If some overzealous drug tester demanded hair follicles, I would reach down my pants, pull out a few pubes, and place them in his awaiting hand.
     
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    I'm waiting for the followup, "what if you fail a drug test on purpose before matriculation?" before contributing.
     
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    A better question is why the hell you eat 2 bagels a day. Those things are huge!
     
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    Shouldn't a 2.0 gpa indicate you are a stoner? Why should tuition money be wasted on wasteful drug tests
     
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    I eat 2 only becuase I normally run a few miles when I wake up and am starving when I am done. Plus bagels are the fastest warm food I can make in the morning.
     
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    If you are worried you could try a different kind of bagel.
     
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    Yeah I was wondering about that thread too.

    FYI, when your urine is tested for drugs, they also get a specific gravity and can tell if you've been drinking tons of water (or if the "sample" you give them IS water, which also happens).
     
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    Some of those GNC prooducts over-dilute your urine. If so, you will have to submit another urine test. It happened to a friend.

    PS. How do you know if a school drug tests?
     
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    Usually the school will inform you before hand. Like in my case, I received a letter in the mail telling me that drug tests will happen during orientation, and would I sign a form allowing them to proceed.
     
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    Was this in your formal acceptance letter?
     
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    This was in a packet I received in the mail a couple of weeks ago, filled with pre-orientation stuff.
     
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    Anyone who uses any sort of illicit drug should not be a doctor. End of story. There are plenty of well-deserving, clean people out there.

    I hope if you use that you are found out and your acceptance is given to someone else.
     
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    can we not turn this into an "ethics of doing drugs" thread. Thats just unproductive.
     
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    Pure ignorance.
     
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    haha i love the title of this thread

    "what if i fail the drug test by accident"

    does anyone fail drug tests on purpose?
     
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    That would be very, very unfortunate to lose your spot over something like this.
     
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    They'll probably accidently rescind your acceptance too with a big "Whoop's we are truly sorry to inform you" letter.
     
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    Geeze...I thought in AA and NA meetings they teach you to be supportive! Cavalier329 did you not learn anything in those meetings?

    Don't make me call A&E so we can get you a spot on their "Intervention Show"...Hey you never know Oprah may call you if that happens!

    But then again: "Cocaine is a hell of a drug"....you can thank Rick James for that one!
     
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