What is "basic training" vs "advanced training" / how long does it take to become a pediatrician in Aus?

[XoHealinghands8]

Hi Guys!

I wanted to inquire about the difference between "basic training" vs "advanced training" & how that works in Australia? For example, I was interested in becoming a general pediatrician and according to RACP it takes 6 years -- 3 years of "basic training" & another 3 years of "advanced training": Paediatrics & Child Health

However, is "advanced training" equivalent to what North America considers a "fellowship". So could one potentially do 3 years and be a general pediatrician and only do the other 3 years of advanced training if they wanted to sub-specialize? Totally confused about this and would love some insight!

Thanks so much in advance for taking the time to answer my question!

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[txm88]

Basic training (3y) - equivalent to residency
Advanced training (3y) - fellowship

The basic training is not hard to get into - all you do is apply to your local hospital - this will change in the coming years
After basic training, you must pass the FRACP primary exam (equivalent to MRCP and possibly the ABIM IM exam) to progress into advanced training
Because there was no selection criteria in basic training, advanced training is very competitive esp for cardio, gastro, etc.
Complete the FRACP fellowship examination and obtain FRACP - become consultant/attending

The one thing that confuses people is that to be a general paediatrician/physician in Austraia, you must complete advanced training in general medicine/paeds - as opposed to being an IM/gen peds attending after the 3 year residency in USA. You dont become anything only after completion of basic training in Australia and need to get onto advanced training to become an attending

Therefore it takes the same time theoretically to become a general paediatrician or subspecialist paediatric cardiologist for eample

 

[cdndoc2020]

Basic training (3y) - equivalent to residency
Advanced training (3y) - fellowship

The basic training is not hard to get into - all you do is apply to your local hospital - this will change in the coming years
After basic training, you must pass the FRACP primary exam (equivalent to MRCP and possibly the ABIM IM exam) to progress into advanced training
Because there was no selection criteria in basic training, advanced training is very competitive esp for cardio, gastro, etc.
Complete the FRACP fellowship examination and obtain FRACP - become consultant/attending

The one thing that confuses people is that to be a general paediatrician/physician in Austraia, you must complete advanced training in general medicine/paeds - as opposed to being an IM/gen peds attending after the 3 year residency in USA. You dont become anything only after completion of basic training in Australia and need to get onto advanced training to become an attending

Therefore it takes the same time theoretically to become a general paediatrician or subspecialist paediatric cardiologist for eample

If you choose the rural preferential pathway, as opposed to regional does it give you any advantage in getting into Advanced Training in Paediatrics assuming you pass the Basic Training exam.How competitive is this field?

 

[XoHealinghands8]

Basic training (3y) - equivalent to residency
Advanced training (3y) - fellowship

The basic training is not hard to get into - all you do is apply to your local hospital - this will change in the coming years
After basic training, you must pass the FRACP primary exam (equivalent to MRCP and possibly the ABIM IM exam) to progress into advanced training
Because there was no selection criteria in basic training, advanced training is very competitive esp for cardio, gastro, etc.
Complete the FRACP fellowship examination and obtain FRACP - become consultant/attending

The one thing that confuses people is that to be a general paediatrician/physician in Austraia, you must complete advanced training in general medicine/paeds - as opposed to being an IM/gen peds attending after the 3 year residency in USA. You dont become anything only after completion of basic training in Australia and need to get onto advanced training to become an attending

Therefore it takes the same time theoretically to become a general paediatrician or subspecialist paediatric cardiologist for eample

Thanks so much for taking the time to answer my question; this was super helpful! It's so interesting to hear that gen peds and pediatric cardiology would take the same amount of time!