What is the fastest way for an Internist to work him/her up to 1 million dollars a year?

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Hey,

I define rich as someone pulling in 1 million bucks a year, ideally with minimal hours put into the income methods.

This is a question from my FMG-perspective. I have 3 options:

1. Fellowship within once/heme or pulm/cc directly after my residency. I will be 32 years old when done. Unlikely as I most likely won't get a H1B-sponsored fellowship.

2. Work post-IM residency until green card. Then apply for fellowship directly. I will be 35 years old when done.

3. Work post-IM residency for the rest of my doctor career. Start investing. I will be 29 years old.

Which of these options would give me prospect of becoming rich the fastest? Now, I do know that even post-fellow you won't pull in that 1 million dollars. It's more a question about if the higher income as post-fellow will be crucial for the investing.

I want to know the best way. The options can also be combined. Say investing doesn't get me anyway by the point I'm 32. I can always start fellowship at that age and be done fellowship at 35 and accept the fact that I'll never be a millionaire. But I have no idea if investing gives financial effect after mere 2-3 years (29 to 32).

Thoughts?

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I would suggest against trying to get rich fast.

To pull million dollars annually, you need a net worth well in excess of 10 million (realistically, more like 20-30). I'd focus on your career. You'll be working a long time either way.
 
I would suggest against trying to get rich fast.

To pull million dollars annually, you need a net worth well in excess of 10 million (realistically, more like 20-30). I'd focus on your career. You'll be working a long time either way.
I could still make a career in IM and get partership and still have a nice lifestyle pulling in 300k annually. But that's not quite 1 million.

It's not like a doctor has to be a doctor. Many doctors have a side gig. Investing (in stocks, real estate etc.) seems like a nice financial side gig. But then again - I barely know anything when it comes to investing. Doesn't mean I'll never do it either - It's just too early right now. I'm still in med school.

I kind of see the life as an internist/hospitalist as the base required for proper investing. Would this not be the most feasible and fastest way to get that 1 million dollar income a year?

I guess a better question from start would have been: What is the fastest way for an Internist to work him/her up to 1 million dollars a year? Fellowship? Start investing?
 
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Not enough hours in the day for you to use your labor for 1 million. You would need to run a business or multiple businesses, have good investments taking higher risks, and run a real estate venture. Why do you need to make a million for? Save your 300k-450 a year doing a procedure heavy subspecialty and be happy with what you have. Save your 7-9% on your diversified retirement plans and retire comfortably with a better lifestyle than a vast majority of Americans.
 
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Important note: I'm not a physician.

I can always start fellowship at that age and be done fellowship at 35 and accept the fact that I'll never be a millionaire.
A more commonly-used definition of millionaire is someone who has $1M+ in net worth. In other words, it's not about bringing in $1M+/year in income but actually being worth that much. +/- including your house into the assets calculation.

Seems safe to say that most physicians don't hit the 7-figure income stat, so don't place your life mission on it. From what I've seen, those who achieve that kind of income get it from multiple income streams. In other words, you'd have to learn some business skills in order to diversify your revenue sources. Some docs buy out a practice and can increase earnings through profit sharing. Or open multiple medical practices in areas in which they're familiar.

More rarely, there are docs who score niche faculty/dean positions at top schools who pull in something like $900K-$1.3M/year or whatever. I assume these positions are extremely rare.

If you're a research scientist superstar, you could become a PI and run a profitable lab that's well-funded. A friend's father (PhD only) runs a pediatric cardiology lab and pulled in $600K, then $800K, then who knows where he is at now. But there's almost zero clinic stuff and you have to really live and breathe research and find tremendous luck. And publish like it's your life source. Most researchers I know are constantly in states of begging for grants and living off scraps, so it seems a risky career move if you wanna strike it rich.

If you have the charismatic personality for it (and fantastic butt-kissing skills), you could be a celebrity doctor on TV and sell out.

If you have a knack for writing books, you could maybe leverage your knowledge base and write clickbait diet books or something. Authors can sometimes make decent passive income streams through book royalties, but hitting the big leagues requires years and writing multiple books. Hopefully you won't have to sell out your ethics and turn into Kevin Trudeau or something. Medical Secrets THEY Don't Want You To Know! for $18.99!

You could work your way up to hospital CEO -- provided you have the business and leadership skills -- where you'd be like 99% businessperson and 1% physician. I presume many/most CEOs of mega-hospitals bring in at least 7-figures in salary + bonus + stock options.

Along the "owning your own medical practice" angle, you could research the Return-On-Investment (ROI) of owning various facilities. For example, if you train as a sleep physician, you could open up a sleep facility with X # of beds and make $Y revenue, and you could keep expanding. Alternately, you could open up an imaging center and compete with hospitals for MRIs, CTs, etc.

You could leverage your MD/DO degree and go into the Pharmaceutical or BioTech industries. You wouldn't necessarily be a traditional doc but the money might be there if you swing the right opportunities.



Honestly, my gut impression is that you're putting the cart before the horse. It's smart to set goals and work backwards to find out the steps to achieve those goals, but it seems like you're setting yourself up for failure, disappointment, and clinical depression should you decide to hitch your happiness wagon to the income horse. You may soon realize as you get older that there is more to life than your AGI on your 1040.

Investing (in stocks, real estate etc.) seems like a nice financial side gig. But then again - I barely know anything when it comes to investing. Doesn't mean I'll never do it either - It's just too early right now. I'm still in med school.
Seems you're treating "investing" as this magical way to build wealth quickly or as a "side gig." It's not. Think of it as a surefire way to build wealth slowly. And it's never too early to start learning about personal finance and investing, even if you're drowning in debt and don't have any income; e.g. most medical students.

Some free suggestions:
  1. White Coat Investor: Blog/Website - From an SDN native and partner! Devour this and read until you've read everything. There's both generic articles that apply to everyone as well as articles that apply specifically to health care professionals, especially physicians.
  2. Bogleheads Wiki and forums - Such a wealth of free knowledge and information. Maybe start with the "Getting Started" wiki article. Learn all about the value of passive investing to reduce costs and know how to diversify properly and how to manage income, taxes, and wealth properly. Many people in the forums are older and wise and very kind. And many are worth well north of $10M. Learn from them.
  3. (Note, this link is a PDF) - If You Can: How Millennials Can Get Rich Slowly by Bill Bernstein, MD, PhD - a short, free, 16-page e-book that provides casual wisdom to those in their 20s and 30s. Dr. Bernstein is a finance author and guru and retired physician and also a "Boglehead" who subscribes to Boglehead wisdom.

First, slow down and acquire knowledge before acquiring income and wealth. You're really going to need some business skills in order to best achieve your goal of a 7-figure income. And in residency, be sure to max out a Roth IRA and your workplace 403(b)/401(k) as much as possible and strive to keep your lifestyle low. And in your early years as an attending, make a best effort to "live like a resident" and divert all excess income towards aggressive loan repayment and aggressive tax-advantaged investing and aggressive taxable investing. :luck:

Knowledge + hard work + luck/opportunity.
 
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This is my favorite post in a while. I'd say, aim lower than $1mil or go into neurosurgery. You could move to alaska and make $500k right of residency or go somewhere in the mountain west and make $400k. You could moonlight like crazy, invest 1/2 of your net income/raise some capital for a business. If you can't make money while you sleep, you'll never be rich, hence neurosurgery-- they're always making money because they work too much to sleep.
 
Take good care of yourself in med school and mary another physician.
 
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Is it more likely for a physician to approach that 7-figure salary the fastest if he:

1. Makes a career within IM starting at age 29 and starts with various side gigs that will amplify the income
2. Does a 3 year old fellowship within onc/heme or pulm/cc and is done by age 35 and starts with various side gigs then. It will be difficult to work on anything else during the fellowship, so 3 years are sacrificed that otherwise could be used for something else.

I guess it's more a question about the 3 years of fellowship. If various side gigs > benefits of a fellowship in terms of income, then there is no need for fellowship.
 
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I love the detailed answer you provided earlier. You do mention the methods what will aid in the way of the 7-figure salary. However, I still don't know if fellowship after IM will have a more synergistic effect with those methods that justifies the 3 additional years of training.

Edit: Honestly, it seems like the most reliable way for me would be investing (the other methods seem so rare to pull off). But my question above still stands.
 
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Is it more likely for a physician to approach that 7-figure salary the fastest if he:

1. Makes a career within IM starting at age 29 and starts with various side gigs that will amplify the income
2. Does a 3 year old fellowship within onc/heme or pulm/cc and is done by age 35 and starts with various side gigs then. It will be difficult to work on anything else during the fellowship, so 3 years are sacrificed that otherwise could be used for something else.

I guess it's more a question about the 3 years of fellowship. If various side gigs > benefits of a fellowship in terms of income, then there is no need for fellowship.

Some fellowships are worth it in the long run even with the "loss of income" you have doing them, you can (most of the time) moonlight as a fellow.


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become the doctor for somebody rich and famous and spin off into a concierge medicine gig to the stars and/or business big wigs. Charge them large amounts of money for personalized service.
 
I'm still in med school.

I think you should be more concerned about matching to residency first as an FMG before you decide how you're gonna make a million bucks a year
 
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