What is your stance on physician anesthesiologist?

[anbuitachi]

ASA

www.asahq.org

On ASA's calendar, Physician Anesthesiologist week is coming up and they have a lot of documents for Physician anesthesiologist

I never liked the term and id rather they just stick to anesthesiologist since i find it weird because i donk other specialties use Physician preterm. Physician pediatrics week?

Has no one asked the ASA to change it or is it just me

The thing is when ASA uses a term, many residents, new anesthesiologists adopt it. My department have been using it more too. Recently just had a introduction of us and crna as Physician anesthesiologist and the CRNA.

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[Precedex]

I have not even once seen or heard it but for the ASA website.

 

[Endee]

The ASA is the one that started this several years ago when they ran surveys that found that a huge portion of the population didn't know that anesthesiologists were physicians.

 

[hiyaman]

Its stupid because by definition an anesthesiologist is a physician. But alas our professional society has chosen to go about this in a terrible way

 

[anbuitachi]

The ASA is the one that started this several years ago when they ran surveys that found that a huge portion of the population didn't know that anesthesiologists were physicians.

was there a follow up to study if the population know that anesthesiologists are physicians after the change? do people even know what a physician really is?

 

[coffeebythelake]

I am an anesthesiologist. Period.

 

[anbuitachi]

The ASA is the one that started this several years ago when they ran surveys that found that a huge portion of the population didn't know that anesthesiologists were physicians.

its as if we are trying to win the battle and lose the war. ASA cares so much about the physician term, so nurses decided to take the anesthesiologist term instead. id rather keep the anesthesiologist term

 

[GravelRider]

The [insert employee profession] weeks are stupid in general. They were invented by corporate consultants as a way for administrations and executives to improve employee morale. Instead of making work conditions better or paying you a salary that values you appropriately, they give you some stale bagels and a corporate branded phone charger as a “gift.” No thanks.

 

[dabears505]

I once was asked during a c section by the spouse if they had openings and he had completed high school. I agree that a lot of people don't know we are doctors.

 

[DirtDocMD]

Happy Anesthetician Week!!!

 

[ryanjmy]

Introduce yourself as Dr Lastname your anesthesiologists. Don’t let your crnas do the same. Doesn’t need to be any more complicated than that.

 

[staple]

I am an anesthesiologist. Period.

this. Couldn’t agree more

 

[nimbus]

My stance is the same as it is for physician cardiologists, physician ophthalmologists, physician psychiatrists, physician nephrologists, physician neurosurgeons, physician dermatologists, physician pathologists, and physician radiologists.

 

[nimbus]

its as if we are trying to win the battle and lose the war. ASA cares so much about the physician term, so nurses decided to take the anesthesiologist term instead. id rather keep the anesthesiologist term

Yeah that was well played by the AANA. Too bad the ASA gave them the idea for “nurse anesthesiologist” by coining the term “physician anesthesiologist”.

 

[GassYous]

The ASA is the one that started this several years ago when they ran surveys that found that a huge portion of the population didn't know that anesthesiologists were physicians.

I'm glad they are using our money so wisely

 

[OptionOffense]

Physician Anesthesiologist. PA for short.

 

[Velefunt]

I will never use that term. I think it's another strategem stemming from the whole MDA term, or even anesthesia provider.

 

[IMGASMD]

When they say -ologist or “provider”. I usually give them a blank stare and say “oh, are you talking to me?”

 

[coffeebythelake]

I once was asked during a c section by the spouse if they had openings and he had completed high school. I agree that a lot of people don't know we are doctors.

I guess a person with a high school diploma education and completely oblivious to the world does describe the average American

 

[Iso4ane]

I can’t remember who said it first, but I always liked the term Supreme Commander Anesthesiologist.

 

[nimbus]

I can’t remember who said it first, but I always liked the term Supreme Commander Anesthesiologist.

Aka @coffeebythelake

 

[pgg]

I'm glad they are using our money so wisely

Not my money

Well not for 4 or 5 years anyway

 

[Iso4ane]

Aka @coffeebythelake

I know he uses it in his tag. But I have a post where I first used in 2018, and at this point I can’t remember if I came up with it myself (cause we came up with several names, and I happened to like this one as it’s SCA like the cardiovascular society) or if I had seen it somewhere prior to that.

 

[anbuitachi]

no ones contacted asa to recommend it be changed? it's making us sound weak

 

[ValentineD]

The ASA is the one that started this several years ago when they ran surveys that found that a huge portion of the population didn't know that anesthesiologists were physicians.

This, speaking as a midlevel, I used the term "physician anesthesiologist" occasionally when explaining the ACT model to a patient who is curious. Ultimately most patients don't really know nor do they care to know. In the setting of more informed folks I just use "anesthesiologist" because an anesthesiologist is by definition a physician. MDA gives me an aneurysm.

 

[nimbus]

no ones contacted asa to recommend it be changed? it's making us sound weak

We are weak.

 

[LineAndBerry]

I sometimes wear a plastic sheriff's badge at my hospital to make it clear who is in charge. I bought it at the Dollar store (three for a dollar).

 

[OptionOffense]

Hello, Im Dr option, Im your PA today. Keep on saying it, everyone will want to be a PA even the PAs

 

[Endee]

This, speaking as a midlevel, I used the term "physician anesthesiologist" occasionally when explaining the ACT model to a patient who is curious. Ultimately most patients don't really know nor do they care to know. In the setting of more informed folks I just use "anesthesiologist" because an anesthesiologist is by definition a physician. MDA gives me an aneurysm.

I've done it once or twice, but if the patient has really low health literacy I find myself saying "the doctor in charge of your anesthesia" or "the doctor supervising the anesthesia team" or something like that.

 

[GassYous]

I sometimes wear a plastic sheriff's badge at my hospital to make it clear who is in charge. I bought it at the Dollar store (three for a dollar).

Due to inflation the badges are probably three dollars each now

 

[OptionOffense]

Murse Anesthesiology

 

[DirtDocMD]

Due to inflation the badges are probably three dollars each now

Meh.... Tax write off... Maybe the ASA can bundle ‘em with their $300-$800 CME offerings....😜

 

[Steege305]

The only time I’ve heard “Physician Anesthesiologist” is from a CRNA. I wanted to ask, “Is there any other type of Anesthesiologist?”

 

[JiPo]

The other day, I was working with a SRNA, and when I showed up, she introduced me to the patient as "JiPo." I quickly said "Hello, I am DOCTOR JiPo, a cardiac anesthesiology fellow (while showing them my ID with MD on it). I see that you already met our STUDENT NURSE anesthetist"

This **** is getting out of control.

And back to the original thread. I am an anesthesiologist. Period.

 

[D P356]

The only time I’ve heard “Physician Anesthesiologist” is from a CRNA. I wanted to ask, “Is there any other type of Anesthesiologist?”

The Head Medically Functioning Anesthesiologist In Charge.
Aka HMFAIC?

 

[IMGASMD]

The other day, I was working with a SRNA, and when I showed up, she introduced me to the patient as "JiPo." I quickly said "Hello, I am DOCTOR JiPo, a cardiac anesthesiology fellow (while showing them my ID with MD on it). I see that you already met our STUDENT NURSE anesthetist"

This **** is getting out of control.

And back to the original thread. I am an anesthesiologist. Period.

I usually turn this on its head. I am Dr. IMGASMD, your anesthesiologist. This is John, (nurse anesthetist), who will also be in the room with you.

You want to be closer to the patient, sure. You all can be on a first name basis. I am your doctor today. I am expected to responsible for your live, call me as such.

 

[deleted126335]

I usually turn this on its head. I am Dr. IMGASMD, your anesthesiologist. This is John, (nurse anesthetist), who will also be in the room with you.

How about: "I am the Lord Thy God. Thou shall have no other Gods before me."

 

[GassYous]

The other day, I was working with a SRNA, and when I showed up, she introduced me to the patient as "JiPo." I quickly said "Hello, I am DOCTOR JiPo, a cardiac anesthesiology fellow (while showing them my ID with MD on it). I see that you already met our STUDENT NURSE anesthetist"

This **** is getting out of control.

And back to the original thread. I am an anesthesiologist. Period.

Why are you even working with an srna
They'd be out of my room before they had a chance to disrespect me

 

[JiPo]

Why are you even working with an srna
They'd be out of my room before they had a chance to disrespect me

That is above my paygrade. It is rare that I work with a SRNA, and I don’t enjoy it, needless to say. This won’t happen at my attending gig later this year.

 

[deleted126335]

The other day, I was working with a SRNA, and when I showed up, she introduced me to the patient as "JiPo." I quickly said "Hello, I am DOCTOR JiPo, a cardiac anesthesiology fellow (while showing them my ID with MD on it). I see that you already met our STUDENT NURSE anesthetist"

This **** is getting out of control.

And back to the original thread. I am an anesthesiologist. Period.

Consider "Anesthesia nursing student"

 

[IMGASMD]

How about: "I am the Lord Thy God. Thou shall have no other Gods before me."

“I am the one and the only….. anesthesiologist in this room right now.”

One may think I am petty. There are days that’s exactly how I feel. The other day walked into a room that’s staffed with a crna. No hi, no good morning, just fking grunt at me. What’s that about?
I am usually more than delighted if there’s another pair of hands, whether it’s anesthesia tech, another physician/crna in the room….. but she won’t give me the drugs, won’t have me hold the mask…. Go right ahead. But I am just going to stand here and stare at you until I am satisfied with the patient’s vitals.
Yes I am looking at you, Felicia.

 

[OptionOffense]

Hello. I'm your PA.
Physician Anesthesiologist

 

[BLADEMDA]

Nurse Cardiologist. Nurse Family Practitioner. Nurse Neurosurgeon. Nurse Anesthesiologist. You people take a lot of tests. Which one or ones will you choose? The facts are obvious to everyone except those blinded by the truth.

 

[anbuitachi]

sad that some of you have to be with SRNAs. if i had to do that at my work place, id either quit, or tell my boss i refuse to work with SRNA,

 

[Hork Bajir]

sad that some of you have to be with SRNAs. if i had to do that at my work place, id either quit, or tell my boss i refuse to work with SRNA,

Dude… No you wouldn’t all the s4!+ you seem to put up with at your job, and suddenly you’re gonna be big man (or woman) on campus about this?

I hate working with them, but it’s part of my job, so I do it. All of my colleagues hate it too, but they all deal. Mostly I ignore them and engage in as little conversation as I can get away with. But I want to keep my job, so I don’t make a stink about it. Maybe at a true PP it’s different? But those gigs are going the way of the dodo.

I think most of the SRNAs I “work with” aren’t confused about whether or not I like working with them. If they find the experience to be educational for them, that’s cool I guess, but I’m not actively teaching them anything. The worst is when they show up in the cardiac room- on those days, I tell them that they’re going to be observing. Set expectations low.

 

[kidthor]

Dude… No you wouldn’t all the s4!+ you seem to put up with at your job, and suddenly you’re gonna be big man (or woman) on campus about this?

I hate working with them, but it’s part of my job, so I do it. All of my colleagues hate it too, but they all deal. Mostly I ignore them and engage in as little conversation as I can get away with. But I want to keep my job, so I don’t make a stink about it. Maybe at a true PP it’s different? But those gigs are going the way of the dodo.

I think most of the SRNAs I “work with” aren’t confused about whether or not I like working with them. If they find the experience to be educational for them, that’s cool I guess, but I’m not actively teaching them anything. The worst is when they show up in the cardiac room- on those days, I tell them that they’re going to be observing. Set expectations low.

Everyone hates to “work with” them yet for some reason we still do it, I remember interviewing once at a napa site where they claimed it was a great feature to get to train srnas there. What a joke.

Why do we do this to ourselves?

 

[nimbus]

sad that some of you have to be with SRNAs. if i had to do that at my work place, id either quit, or tell my boss i refuse to work with SRNA,

Then who will train the student nurse anesthesiology residents and get them ready for their “Boards”?

 

[IMGASMD]

Everyone hates to “work with” them yet for some reason we still do it, I remember interviewing once at a napa site where they claimed it was a great feature to get to train srnas there. What a joke.

Why do we do this to ourselves?

We do it for those practices who rely on CRNAs. It was sold to me (not during interview, but on my first day) as a good thing, since we get to the “first pick” when they graduate.
Sort of true, but as we were a mostly supervised practice.

 

[pgg]

sad that some of you have to be with SRNAs. if i had to do that at my work place, id either quit, or tell my boss i refuse to work with SRNA,

It's hard to take this seriously. I'm not trying to be dismissive.

I think your job has been certified by the FDA as the Worst Job In America, but you stay for reasons that matter to you.

If they started an SRNA program it's just hard to believe that would be the final straw.

 

[coffeebythelake]

We have srnas here but mostly they work with a crna who is supervised.