What you WISHED you had known about residency

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After spending this year in the research lab, I'm heading out on interviews to start Residency in 2008, and I'm wondering what were the things you wished you had known or asked about about residency programs? What are the real practical and important things to know or find out about any program? I seem to have an intuitive understanding that getting an idea of workload, hours, call, procedures, hospital and clinical exposure, etc . . . this stuff seems pretty straight forward. But what else? What's good to know or find out?

Thanks!
 
Talk to the residents. Are they happy? What do they complain about? Do you think you will fit in and be able to work them?
 
What specialty are you going into? That can make a big difference.

We had a night float system in my anesthesia residency. Some people (with kids) did not like it that much, but I loved it. It was still a long week, we worked seven 14 hours shifts in a row with many trauma/sick cases every nite. It was not fun, but that was about 85% of your call for the year. We did five of those a year and, the rest of the year, you still worked from about 6a to 7p, but you got to sleep in your own bed the rest of the time. Cardiac, transplant, and ICU were separate call. We rarely had to work post call, which considering this was before the 80 hr rule, was great. Internship was a different story.

I would also see what types of perks they have for residents. We had a decent, separate lounge and there was a gym in the hospital just for residents. Small things like that made a big difference for me. I could work out on the way out of the hospital, which save me 20 or 30 minutes a day and gym membership fees. When you are working many hours a week and stressed to the max, those types of things can make a difference.

It was still no party cruise, there were 3 times during my internship when I had my pager in my hand and was walking towards the housestaff office to tell them where to shove it.......until I remembered that I had a degree in classical Greek and Roman literature and $60,000 of debt. It was internship or Burger King. I put the pager back on.
 
Debt is slavery. You will do what master says until you are debt free. Twice in my adult life I have been debt free (or could pay off all debts with a check from one bank account), and owned my own business and was truly free. It was great. Cancel the rest of a day of work at 10 AM and take off with my family. The type of free where I came home from the gym on a Saturday morning, told them family were going to another state I had wanted to leave for a long time, went, by the end of 10 days there had bought a house and were moving. Right now I am deep in debt again at age 46 , looking at doing residency - I MUST be insane. What am I thinking?


Anyway - mdjobexchange : regarding nightfloat, one residency I interviewed at only had 24 hour call about 3 times a month - but you do 2 months of night float (5 to 5, Sunday night through Friday at noon). No call during night float months. Does that seem like good or bad?
 
A few of the things I asked . . . there would be more that are specialty specific.

How does call work? How often will I be on call? How busy is call usually? What are the duties when you are on call? Is there a lot to do at night when on call?

Does the residency have its own clinic or hospital patients? How are these clinics or inpatients covered typically? What is a typical load for clinic or hospital rounds?

Do the residents receive health insurance? If not, how much does it cost for them and for family? How about dental, life, disability?

Is there an allowance for books? For moving? For CME? For tests? For meals? Are any memberships fees/dues to any licensing bodies, societies, websites or groups payed for by the residency? What is parking like? Does it cost money? Is using public transportation a feasible option?

Are there opportunities for research that YOU can create or is it more limited to assisting with an attending's research?

Are there moonlighting opportunities? Where are they? What fields are they in? How much do they pay? Is there enough time to moonlight? What does the residency think of moonlighting?

Is there much elective time? Is there a wide range of possible electives? Are some more competitive among the residents and requesting them early would be a good idea?

Are there a lot of resident get-togethers? Are the residents a pretty close group that sees each other frequently?

What are some numbers for residents passing boards? How about getting into fellowships?
 
What specialty are you going into? That can make a big difference.

We had a night float system in my anesthesia residency. Some people (with kids) did not like it that much, but I loved it. It was still a long week, we worked seven 14 hours shifts in a row with many trauma/sick cases every nite. It was not fun, but that was about 85% of your call for the year. We did five of those a year and, the rest of the year, you still worked from about 6a to 7p, but you got to sleep in your own bed the rest of the time. Cardiac, transplant, and ICU were separate call. We rarely had to work post call, which considering this was before the 80 hr rule, was great. Internship was a different story.

I would also see what types of perks they have for residents. We had a decent, separate lounge and there was a gym in the hospital just for residents. Small things like that made a big difference for me. I could work out on the way out of the hospital, which save me 20 or 30 minutes a day and gym membership fees. When you are working many hours a week and stressed to the max, those types of things can make a difference.

It was still no party cruise, there were 3 times during my internship when I had my pager in my hand and was walking towards the housestaff office to tell them where to shove it.......until I remembered that I had a degree in classical Greek and Roman literature and $60,000 of debt. It was internship or Burger King. I put the pager back on.

:laugh::laugh::laugh:
 
Is there much elective time? Is there a wide range of possible electives? Are some more competitive among the residents and requesting them early would be a good idea?

Electives? What are those? 😕

Oh, you mean those rotations that all the other specialties get where they actually have a choice of what to do? The ones where you can sometimes even request the month or hospital?

Yeah, we don't have those. 🙁
 
Electives? What are those? 😕

Oh, you mean those rotations that all the other specialties get where they actually have a choice of what to do? The ones where you can sometimes even request the month or hospital?

Yeah, we don't have those. 🙁

There, there . . . [pats Blade28 gently on the shoulder]
 
Debt is slavery. You will do what master says until you are debt free. Twice in my adult life I have been debt free (or could pay off all debts with a check from one bank account), and owned my own business and was truly free. It was great. Cancel the rest of a day of work at 10 AM and take off with my family. The type of free where I came home from the gym on a Saturday morning, told them family were going to another state I had wanted to leave for a long time, went, by the end of 10 days there had bought a house and were moving. Right now I am deep in debt again at age 46 , looking at doing residency - I MUST be insane. What am I thinking?


Anyway - mdjobexchange : regarding nightfloat, one residency I interviewed at only had 24 hour call about 3 times a month - but you do 2 months of night float (5 to 5, Sunday night through Friday at noon). No call during night float months. Does that seem like good or bad?

Doo... you need: a) A whack on the head for being dumb b) A group hug and welcome to hell, try not to stumble on the frying physician bodies.
 
After spending this year in the research lab, I'm heading out on interviews to start Residency in 2008, and I'm wondering what were the things you wished you had known or asked about about residency programs? What are the real practical and important things to know or find out about any program?

One thing nobody told me (and it won't make much sense until you are a resident) is how imperfect the experience of residency is. As a medical student, you're basing your choice of a place to work on "feel-good" feelings -- which may involve factors such as reputation, busy-ness or craziness or quiet calmness depending on what floats your boat, relatively good hours, etc. Guess what, you can get all of those things (on paper, or in your own notes) and still feel happy some of the time, and crappy some of the time. Residency is full of ups and downs, same as medical school. Residency is also a job with all of those ups and downs -- dealing with annoying, immature people day in and day out. And it's not like back-to-school: you're not going to jump for joy about returning to work after your vacations are over.

That being said, you can still be very happy with your job and your residency program as a resident. It's just not because your hospital doesn't have annoying unit secretaries and passive-aggressive nurses (because your hospital will have them). It's because of "other factors", and I wish I could tell you what those intangibles are. I don't know.

Finally, one very tangible thing that surprised me a little was how much difference the hospital's overall financial status (losing money, or earning money?) makes in helping you out. Yes, you can be happy at a money-losing hospital, but there are a lot of things that a hospital that is actually earning money can offer. This includes better ancillary services (you mean you don't have to draw your own cardiac enzymes?), more professional nursing staff, a book budget for each resident (my internship had a "book budget" of $500 to share among ALL THIRTY residents, and my residency gives EACH resident $500 for books), and better employee benefits such as health insurance. These perks don't make up for working in a department with crappy attitudes and a poor work environment, but they can make a good department better.
 
DoctorPhud, good post...but I thought you were a recently-converted pre-med? 😕
 
One thing nobody told me (and it won't make much sense until you are a resident) is how imperfect the experience of residency is. As a medical student, you're basing your choice of a place to work on "feel-good" feelings -- which may involve factors such as reputation, busy-ness or craziness or quiet calmness depending on what floats your boat, relatively good hours, etc. Guess what, you can get all of those things (on paper, or in your own notes) and still feel happy some of the time, and crappy some of the time. Residency is full of ups and downs, same as medical school. Residency is also a job with all of those ups and downs -- dealing with annoying, immature people day in and day out. And it's not like back-to-school: you're not going to jump for joy about returning to work after your vacations are over.

That being said, you can still be very happy with your job and your residency program as a resident. It's just not because your hospital doesn't have annoying unit secretaries and passive-aggressive nurses (because your hospital will have them). It's because of "other factors", and I wish I could tell you what those intangibles are. I don't know.

Finally, one very tangible thing that surprised me a little was how much difference the hospital's overall financial status (losing money, or earning money?) makes in helping you out. Yes, you can be happy at a money-losing hospital, but there are a lot of things that a hospital that is actually earning money can offer. This includes better ancillary services (you mean you don't have to draw your own cardiac enzymes?), more professional nursing staff, a book budget for each resident (my internship had a "book budget" of $500 to share among ALL THIRTY residents, and my residency gives EACH resident $500 for books), and better employee benefits such as health insurance. These perks don't make up for working in a department with crappy attitudes and a poor work environment, but they can make a good department better.

😱 😱 😱 The above was actually posted by me. I don't know why the forum keeps switching me with DoctorPhud. 👎 👎 👎
 
Since you are both posting frm the same IP address, is it possible that one of you is posting on the same computer where the other has not logged off?

Weird...why would a pre-med and resident be using the same computer? 😕
 
Multiple personality? ... just throwing it out there.
Kinda cool they both want to be docs.

j/k
 
Weird...why would a pre-med and resident be using the same computer? 😕


That happens when you forget to log out of your alter-ego before posting. All of us have done it at one time or another.:laugh:
 
Since you are both posting frm the same IP address, is it possible that one of you is posting on the same computer where the other has not logged off?

Haha -- true. DoctorPhud is hubby and jennyboo is wifey, and we do share the same computer. What happens is that I log him out and then log me in before posting, but even though the screen then SAYS I'm logged in, when I hit the post button it shows up as him. Thus, whenever I do post something resident-related everyone always asks why a pre-med has something to say about residency. Hubby thinks that when the SDN Powers-that-Be hacked the forum database to modify the forums, some bug got left in that does this. Seems to happen more often when I write long and don't click "post" for quite a few minutes.

*cough* I try not to be a troll, but take no responsibility for DoctorPhud posts.
 
It confuses everyone when your trolling account starts being nice to everyone!😀

I need a trolling account! Here I've been being a jerk on my regular account.
 
I do not think current residents are a reliable source of information about their programs. These residents are often afraid to say anything negative about their programs due to fear of retaliation. In addition, if their programs don't fill, they face the prospect of having less residents to split the workload and call schedule with the following year. This gives the current residents an incentive to portray their programs in a flattering light. I have seen this in operation numerous times when students are brought to interview (see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil to the interviewees). A much more reliable source of information would be FORMER residents from the program.
 
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