What's GPA/DAT score for all the Harvard, Columbia, Upenn, and Umich Interviewees?

[smiley123]

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hey guys,
I was wondering what the stats were for all the harvard, columbia, upenn, umich interviewees. I have a fairly low gpa of 3.0 from a reputable school (if that matters) and i plan on getting a 20 or above on each section of the DAT which I have not taken yet. I just want to be able to be granted an interview, so I was wondering what these schools cut off will be.

 

[beannaithe]

I've got an interview at Penn. My science GPA is 0.2 lower then their average, while my cum GPA is their average. My DAT score is a point higher then their average for AA and TS. My PAT is about the same as their average.

I'm a PA resident and I've been researching a topic (with a publication pending) that is very close to their dental research.

Hope that helps.

 

[raZ10]

well my stats are listed in my signature.. what college are from? i think it does matter bc most dental/medical schools use grade multipliers... like lets say you have a 3.0 at harvard.. that would equate to a 3.5-3.6 at like nyu or some other equally ****ty school... i don't know exactly what the multiplier is for each school but i def know schools use them..
for example... i think the reason why columbia's gpa is lower than most schools is bc most of their students attended difficult undergrad colleges.. the only way to standardize all the students is through the dat... even though the dat isn't perfect either... hope this answers your question!

 

[sgdorfl90]

is UCLA considered one of the tougher schools raz10? I go here and hopefully it matters in the admission process, cuz it ain't ez here.

 

[hawk52]

is UCLA considered one of the tougher schools raz10? I go here and hopefully it matters in the admission process, cuz it ain't ez here.

raz10- Im going to have to disagree with the concept or practice of what you said. I'm not saying this dosen't happen, but it seems a little unfair. For example, I was a exercise Physiology major at a big ten school. This program is very competitive, with all students going on to med, dent, PT or PA school. It's pretty much a pre-professional designed degree, you can't do much else with it. Anyway, I would bet that this program is much more difficult to achive "good" grades or gpa in than many programs at Ivy league schools. So how could they possibly see it fair to make adjust your grades according to the school? You are comparing apples to oranges. Lets say you are comparing an Ivy league Bio program to a much lesser schools bio program, maybe you could do that sort of thing as long as you have some sort of data to justify the correction in gpa's.there has to be data or something to back it up, you can't just go by the name of the college you attend. And since there are differnt programs that vary within the University, it seems impossible to do this.

 

[raZ10]

raz10- Im going to have to disagree with the concept or practice of what you said. I'm not saying this dosen't happen, but it seems a little unfair. For example, I was a exercise Physiology major at a big ten school. This program is very competitive, with all students going on to med, dent, PT or PA school. It's pretty much a pre-professional designed degree, you can't do much else with it. Anyway, I would bet that this program is much more difficult to achive "good" grades or gpa in than many programs at Ivy league schools. So how could they possibly see it fair to make adjust your grades according to the school? You are comparing apples to oranges. Lets say you are comparing an Ivy league Bio program to a much lesser schools bio program, maybe you could do that sort of thing as long as you have some sort of data to justify the correction in gpa's.there has to be data or something to back it up, you can't just go by the name of the college you attend. And since there are differnt programs that vary within the University, it seems impossible to do this.

im sorry if i offended you in any way but i was just trying to make a broad comparison in my statement..im not saying that a 4.0 at a non-Ivy league school means nothing... all im saying is med/dental schools do use a multiplier to kind of equalize the gpas for applicants from diff undergrad schools..bc it really isn't fair to compare someone from harvard to someone from lets say nyu...maybe they only use the multiplier on the pre-requisite courses...like bio..and ochem...that way they can accurately compare each class in diff schools... but with that said.. im sure the exercise phsiology major is extremely competitve at your school and im also sure dental schools will be well aware of that... so once again im sorry if i sounded conceited at all..

ucla is a GREAT undergrad univ.. so obviously the multiplier will work to your benefit.. well it also depends on your major..

 

[hawk52]

raz- i am not offended at all. I was just pointing out that there is no way to comapre the "toughness" of certain programs within a university, let alone across universities. I am very confident in the school i attended. It has a top 10 medical school, one of the top dental schools top PT school etc. However, it is not a ivy league school.

In terms of comparing classes...Lets look at a personal example. I scored an A+ in Physics 1. I scored about a 98.5% on my test/labs etc. the class average was a 73%. Im quite confident that i would get an A at Harvard, Columbia etc...

From another perspective....Lets say you can only afford to go to your state school....is that your fault?

 

[asd]

i have a friend who transferred from Union College, which is where I go, to Florida Atlantic University (FAU). He used to be pre-med here BUT couldnt cut it. For example, he took organic chemistry here and couldnt get above a D. He just retook the class (orgo 1 and 2) at FAU and got two A's. If you are trying to tell me that "it doesnt matter where you go," you are dead wrong. My friend who is attending FAU told me that the "pre-med/dent" classes there are a million times easier then they are at Union. He described them as being a "joke."

I have another friend who attends Hofstra and has a 3.5 in all of his "pre-med/dent" classes and over the summer he showed me some of his tests. Let me just say that they are nothing compared to what I see on a test.

Hawk- I am not trying to knock you, nor anyone who attends those schools, but Im just saying that it does matter where you go. If I decided to go to a place like Hofstra instead of union i would easily have a 3.8 GPA. the reason why I didnt is because i wanted to challenge myself and get a great education. I only have a 3.44 GPA from here, which isnt great, but i feel that my GPA from here is def. worth more then someone who has a 3.44 from a lesser school. "Thats the reality of it"-DG.

 

[raZ10]

of course it wouldn't be someone's fault if they can't afford private schools.. if your school has a top 10 med school, etc, im sure the dental schools you're applying to will know that and will obviously take that into account. btw congratz about your awesome physics grade!

 

[johnstylzes]

not sure if this is true...but I heard that top private schools such as Harvard and Stanford practice grade inflation, compared to schools like UCLA and Berkeley where they really don't care if you fail b/c there's always someone qualified for your spot.

Don't kill the messenger...I believe everyone from those schools receive an excellent education.

 

[hawk52]

what it all boils down to is the DAT. IT'S THE ONLY STANDARDIZED PART OF THE APPLICATION. That said, im sure everyone who goes to Ivy league schools that have a grade point at or above mine will do better than i did on the DAT, right? Well, i think the DAT should be what makes up for people attending differnt schools.

 

[raZ10]

i agree with your reasoning.. it IS the only standardized part of the application.. but i guess your gpa is a good indicator of how hard you worked throughout college.. i mean i think just about anyone can get 20+ on the dat if they really try... but by scoring 20+..that means your extremely competitive compared to the entire applicant pool.. whereas getting a 3.5+ only proves you're competitive within your own college.. i duno.. ppl may disagree with my pov.. but thats just how i feel

 

[VClovesteeth05]

okay. I do think there is a multiplier, the reason I am firm on this is at my college on of the alums is the dean of admissions at a UC school for MEDICINE (and I presume since most dental schools have med schools and not vice versa that this is something used across the board) and he flat out told us that there was a multiplier that some peoples GPAs are multiplied by a number over 1 and some a number below 1. I don't think that that means that people who went to ivys are gonna come out the best, I think this multiplier is heavily researched (and not just bull****) and if a school is known to have grade inflation (and let's face it, if we as students know, others know as well) then that is factored in. I also don't think a 3.0 at harvard turns into a 3.5...i don't think the multiplier is as big as say 1.167 (more like 1.016 or 1.006). And just remember, your GPA is just one factor, along with your DATs and we all know standardized tests usually don't mean anything, along with your letters of recs, along with your extra currics, dental shadowing, leadership, etc etc etc etc! Also, in response to the whole money issue, yes a state school is cheaper, and you shouldn't be punished for that, so calm down, no one is saying you should, we are just saying this is how it is for the GPA business.

 

[organichemistry]

you guys are aware that a lot of the "top" undergrad schools have quite a bit of grade inflation when compared to some other schools out there. there's probably some states schools where a 3.5 is tougher to earn a a 3.5 at an ivy league.

 

[sgdorfl90]

you know what, ppl who can't afford private schools or 4 year university, its just a harsh world out there. Any of u would kill to take my spot at anyschool and we all know this, we didn't come all the way to this point to be fair. Besides most publics schools like ucla and berkeley are state schools and all it takes to get into it is kick ass GPA and SAT score, and the fee is not rediculous. So I am sorry to be a bitch, but if u didn't make it to these schools, its ur fault. Just cuz some ppl couldn't get into competitive schools doesn't mean all of their GPAs are gonna be looked the same. 3.5 at ucla is better than at humboldt, I don't give a **** if u disagree. And guys to those who got super DAT scores are always gonna be in favor of saying "that's why we have DAT to standarize everything" Bull. If u put in 2 months u will get a 20+, gurantee. GPA is lot of hard work, so don't diss it. I know lot of ppl here on this forum who have 3.0 and 22+. I saw very few ppl with 3.9 and 17s. So you tell me wut's more possible. I probably pissed off everyone on the forum by now, so I am out.

 

[raZ10]

man.. this thread is getting off track...all in all.. ppl who tried hard in school.. have high gpas.. and ppl who studied their butts off for the dat have high dat scores! so thats that... im sorry i brought up the whole multiplier bs.. i realize the whole application process is a sensitive time for everyone..and the last thing ppl wana hear iis other ppl dissin their academic achievements.. anyways.. ppl who typically apply for harvard have high gpas and high dats.. ppl who apply for columbia have mid lvl gpas and high dats.. umich mid-high gpa and high dats.. and upenn.. high gpa and mid-high dats... thats about it!

 

[TimR]

From another perspective....Lets say you can only afford to go to your state school....is that your fault?[/QUOTE]

"only affordy to go to your state school"

is this seriously limiting people? I don't know anyone applying to dental schools that can afford any of them period. Only rich kids leave dental school without debt.

 

[asd]

well said Mybaa

 

[LadyxJC]

Hey... my stats are posted in my signature. I didn't apply to umich but I applied to the other schools. I've been granted interviews from Columbia and Harvard but didn't hear back from UPenn yet...

 

[SuperC]

I am at UF... My physics professor had just transferred from MIT and gave us the same damn tests from his physics classes at MIT..I earned a 100% in his course.

How do I know? He told us at the end of the semester, I looked up his phys site at MIT and saw every test + solutions that we took. If I had only known before hand.

He said UF sucks and now teaches at Harvard.

So... Perhaps Ivy League is more expensive, but I'll be damned if they insist that it is harder.... And if it is.... THANK THE DEAR LORD I am not at some BS Ivy Leaguer. Go GATORS!

-C