What's The Best State To Be A Pre-Med?

[IWant2BeADoctor]

Maryland sucks it only has 1 State Med School. I heard from my Pre-Med Advisor that Delware is the best State to be in if you want to go to Med School because they have contracts with neighboring states that reserve a set number of seats for Delware residents and there are relatively few Pre-meds there.

How would one go about attaining state residency for a different state?

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[maestro1625]

Maryland sucks it only has 1 State Med School. I heard from my Pre-Med Advisor that Delware is the best State to be in if you want to go to Med School because they have contracts with neighboring states that reserve a set number of seats for Delware residents and there are relatively few Pre-meds there.

How would one go about attaining state residency for a different state?

Delaware has connections with PCOM and Jefferson, but both are pretty loose.

I'd say Florida (lots of schools, with more opening in the future, 2 schools with sub-30 MCATs)

Michigan (2 public MD schools with sub-30 MCAT averages plus one of the few public DOs and in-state tuition at UMich, which is really only rivaled by the UCs)

Texas (dirt cheap tuition)

NC (same)

 

[da8s0859q]

Texas (dirt cheap tuition)

+1. Several schools to choose from, heavy preference towards in-staters, relatively inexpensive education, ... .

 

[DrBowtie]

It's West Virginia. 59.5% of applicants from WV get in.
Texas is only ~40%. Not too great.
http://www.aamc.org/data/facts/2006/2006slrmat3.htm

 

[CATallergy]

CA, because winters aren't worth it

 

[zippa]

I would say Florida.

MD: UF, UM-Boca, UM-Coral Gables, FSU, FIU (2008?), and UCF (2009?)

DO: Lake Erie and Nova

 

[da8s0859q]

CA, because winters aren't worth it

They are if you're a psychopath like me that likes winter. Then again, I do live in TX, so we hardly have Arctic winters...

 

[Auron]

Illinois?

 

[ClockworkDoc]

Im envious of Texas. (I'm from CA)

 

[PseudomonasPAO1]

I would say Florida.

MD: UF, UM-Boca, UM-Coral Gables, FSU, FIU (2008?), and UCF (2009?)

DO: Lake Erie and Nova

2009 for both FIU and UCF.

 

[sejin8642]

I don't think it matters. Even Hawaii med school only accepts 6 OOS students out of 62 spots.

 

[tmac11]

It's great to be a Texan

 

[killinsound]

Not california.

 

[REL]

2009 for both FIU and UCF.

Hey --- Florida....don't forget USF!!!

 

[doinmybest5840]

Maryland sucks it only has 1 State Med School. I heard from my Pre-Med Advisor that Delware is the best State to be in if you want to go to Med School because they have contracts with neighboring states that reserve a set number of seats for Delware residents and there are relatively few Pre-meds there.

How would one go about attaining state residency for a different state?

New York has like 12 med schools. Michigan's pretty good... 3 public MD schools plus a really good DO school.

 

[IWant2BeADoctor]

I don't get it. Maryland has 5.6 Million people, New York has 19 Million but 12 Med schools vs 1. There needs to be more Med Schools built here in Maryland and I imagine some other states as well.

http://www.factmonster.com/ipka/A0004986.html

Are there any other states with 1 or fewer Med schools?

 

[Funky]

New York has like 12 med schools. Michigan's pretty good... 3 public MD schools plus a really good DO school.

Only 48.7% of NY residents got in according to the AAMC.
That's not great but it's not terrible.

 

[Blondnuttyboy]

wyoming,montana,one of the dakotas...then you be part of that program (dont remember the name) where you dont get discriminated for not being an instater b/c those states dont have a med school..WICHE program, thats what its called

 

[brbsb]

Are there any other states with 1 or fewer Med schools?

Indiana only has one in-state and about 6.3 million residents.

 

[da8s0859q]

wyoming,montana,one of the dakotas...then you be part of that program (dont remember the name) where you dont get discriminated for not being an instater b/c those states dont have a med school..WICHE program, thats what its called

WICHE and WWAMI, I think the other one is - best acronyms ever.

 

[maestro1625]

Indiana only has one in-state and about 6.3 million residents.

though that school IIRC is the largest in the nation with multiple campuses.

 

[uhohspaghettio]

Ohio and Florida!

 

[corbis11]

Ohio is pretty good

6 allopathic schools (5 of them public) and 1 DO school

 

[Pinkertinkle]

Cali, cuz your chances of getting into a UC from any other state is slim.

 

[brbsb]

though that school IIRC is the largest in the nation with multiple campuses.

It only has multiple campuses for the first two years, though. Everyone goes to the same hospitals and such for third and forth years.

 

[Glorified]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say my home state of Maine is not the best of the 50. We only have UNECOM, which charges OOS tuition to Maine residents and everyone for that matter.

Lots of good schools in surrounding states though.

 

[IWant2BeADoctor]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say my home state of Maine is not the best of the 50. We only UNECOM, which charges OOS tuition to Maine residents and everyone for that matter.

Lots of good schools in surrounding states though.

Doesn't really help unless they give preferences for Maine residents and charge them less for tuition which is the whole purpose of a State school.

When it comes to Public Medical education Maryland just plan sucks! I visisted UMB Medical school and ran into no less than 5 Homeless men in a 30 min period. One of which solicited me for money. They actually sleep in the buildings vents.

 

[45408]

Texas, because they have such a discount. My state, Wisconsin, isn't bad. If you're in-state, the UWisc requirements aren't too bad, and MCW has MCAT/GPA averages just a little over the national average. You get a discount at either school, and there are only about 500 med school applicants per year (the schools have a combined incoming class of 360 people).

 

[StrengthDoc]

Another vote for Texas.

Cheap tuition and 7 (of 8) schools must admit 90% or more from instate...

 

[zeff]

I visisted UMB Medical school and ran into no less than 5 Homeless men in a 30 min period. One of which solicited me for money. They actually sleep in the buildings vents.

What the hell is wrong with you? What could you possibly find funny about homeless men sleeping on vents to keep warm?

I can see why you want to become a physician, you are absolutely bursting with empathy and compassion for the suffering of others.

 

[patrickd223]

Georgia: 5 medicals schools
Medical college of georgia(public), Mercer(Public), Morehouse(Public), Emory(Private), and PCOM-GA(DO).

 

[bluesTank]

Texas....if you're a resident

 

[Eric Lindros]

I don't get it. Maryland has 5.6 Million people, New York has 19 Million but 12 Med schools vs 1. There needs to be more Med Schools built here in Maryland and I imagine some other states as well.

http://www.factmonster.com/ipka/A0004986.html

Are there any other states with 1 or fewer Med schools?

Maryland has three med schools. Hopkins, UMD, and Uniformed Services U. Where are you getting 1?

 

[GoinBack2Cali?]

Cali

 

[MichiganManiacs]

Georgia only has one public medical school. Mercer and Morehouse are both private. It is actually one of the worst states to be in for medical school.

http://old.savannahnow.com/stories/060206/3972255.shtml

 

[whoami]

I don't see how ppl think CA is, with in-state tuition of 23K, over 4000 CA applicants competing for around 1000 seats (5 public + 3 private). 32 and 3.7 are considered good stats in many states but that is probably just good enough to get you pass the automatic screening for secondaries for most schools in CA. Unless you have very good stats and EC or URM, CA is one of the worst states if not the worst.

 

[GoinBack2Cali?]

I don't see how ppl think CA is, with in-state tuition of 23K, over 4000 CA applicants competing for around 1000 seats (5 public + 3 private). 32 and 3.7 are considered good stats in many states but that is probably just good enough to get you pass the automatic screening for secondaries for most schools in CA. Unless you have very good stats and EC or URM, CA is one of the worst states if not the worst.

1 in 4 odds isn't that horrible. But isn't a good idea to have pretty good EC anyway? I don't think that the point of this thread is to find out what state you can be the worst applicant and still get into school. Yeah it has 8 schools, 4 of them are in the Top 15. I'm sick of reading that being from California is a disadvantage

 

[zippa]

Hey --- Florida....don't forget USF!!!

Sorry about that, I don't know how USF slipped my mind when USF and UF are my top two when I apply this year.

 

[jlq3d3]

Texas is best. Lots of schools, give TX people preference, very cheap.

CA is worst. Few schools for the amount of people in the state, not that cheap for residents, difficult to get into.

Too bad I'm from CA.

 

[meowkat444]

West Virginia. 2 med schools, but sparse population, and the average MCAT at both is below 30. a guy before said there's a high acceptance percentage, too.

 

[whoami]

1 in 4 odds isn't that horrible. But isn't a good idea to have pretty good EC anyway? I don't think that the point of this thread is to find out what state you can be the worst applicant and still get into school. Yeah it has 8 schools, 4 of them are in the Top 15. I'm sick of reading that being from California is a disadvantage

Sorry that my English is that poor that I misunderstood the intent of the question from the original post. If cost and chance of acceptance are not the issues, I don't know what is the point of the question. May be the answer should be where you would be most happy as undergrad or which school would prepare you best for any school you choose to go?

 

[Critical Mass]

pg. 46 of the new MSAR:

"The individual school entries in Chapter 12 present data about resident and non-resident applicants and matriculants. Nationally, 62.2 percent of 2006 matriculants attended schools in their home states; 80.2 percent of students in public schools and 35.0 percent in private schools were state residents. Public schools are unlikely to admit nonresidents unless they have exceptionally strong credentials or strong ties to the state through prior residency, employment, education, or family members."

So what I've done is take a look at the total number of residents matriculating in each state (both public and private schools) and divided it by the total population of the state. Note that I have no way of knowing the relative number of people interested in medicine in each state, and the MSAR is limited to allopathic medicine.

The following data lists state, total number of matriculants in all schools within the state, state population, state population/million, and matriculants per million state residents. They are in increasing order of matriculated students per million state residents.

AZ 110 5.13E+06 5.13 21.44
CT 77 3.41E+06 3.41 22.61
CA 806 3.39E+07 33.87 23.80
OR 84 3.42E+06 3.42 24.55
NV 51 1.99E+06 1.99 25.65
MD 147 5.60E+06 5.60 26.25
CO 116 4.30E+06 4.30 26.97
FL 468 1.60E+07 15.98 29.28
WA 186 5.89E+06 5.89 31.56
VA 241 7.57E+06 7.57 31.85
IA 97 2.93E+06 2.93 33.15
MA 211 6.35E+06 6.35 33.23
NC 269 8.05E+06 8.05 33.42
UT 75 2.23E+06 2.23 33.58
MO 199 5.60E+06 5.60 35.57
PA 437 1.23E+07 12.28 35.58
NJ 301 8.41E+06 8.41 35.77
NM 70 1.93E+06 1.93 36.30
GA 315 8.19E+06 8.19 38.48
MS 110 2.84E+06 2.84 38.67
MN 193 4.92E+06 4.92 39.23
IN 240 6.08E+06 6.08 39.47
MI 393 9.94E+06 9.94 39.54
WI 213 5.36E+06 5.36 39.71
TN 227 5.69E+06 5.69 39.90
OK 140 3.45E+06 3.45 40.57
NY 770 1.90E+07 18.98 40.58
HI 56 1.21E+06 1.21 46.22
KY 193 4.17E+06 4.17 46.25
AR 132 2.67E+06 2.67 49.38
OH 564 1.14E+07 11.35 49.68
IL 625 1.24E+07 12.42 50.32
AL 226 4.45E+06 4.45 50.82
SC 210 4.01E+06 4.01 52.34
TX 1153 2.09E+07 20.85 55.29
KS 150 2.69E+06 2.69 55.79
SD 44 7.55E+05 0.75 58.29
VT 36 6.09E+05 0.61 59.13
NE 111 1.71E+06 1.71 64.86
WV 119 1.81E+06 1.81 65.81
ND 45 6.42E+05 0.64 70.07
LA 340 4.47E+06 4.47 76.08

So in short, there are fewer people fighting for 1153 resident seats in Texas than Cali which saved spots for 806 residents despite a substantially greater population. Last year, there were 76.08 resident medical school seats per million Louisiana citizens vs. 21.44 in Arizona.

I omitted New Hampshire, Rhode Island, and Washington, D.C. because they have no public medical schools. Alaska, Delaware, Idaho, Maine, Montana, and Wyoming have no medical schools. Some schools such as Arizona, UC-Irvine, Florida State, Mercer, Mississippi, Southern Illinois, LSU-Shreveport, matriculated state residents only. UC-Davis, Florida, LSU-NO, Massachusetts, New Mexico, Stony Brook, East Carolina, Northeastern Ohio, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas A&M, and Texas Tech matriculated 6 or fewer oos applicants.

I made the table with excel, so corrections/suggestions are welcome.

 

[realitybias]

Awesome.

I live in Louisiana.

 

[CardiacIntensivist]

New York is the best! I'm biased because this state has been incredibly good to me. Also, technically we have 14 medical schools now due to Touro opening

MD: Columbia, Cornell, MSSM, NYU, AECOM, U. Roch, Albany, NYMC, Stony Brook, Upstate, Downstate, Buffalo

DO: NYCOM, Touro

Excelsior!

 

[TheRealMD]

Definitely Texas. 6 med schools that have to take at least 90% in-state students + very cheap tuition makes it very attractive.

Also, Baylor (7th med school in TX) is pretty much TX residents (75%), and the cheapest private school tuition to boot. Most Texas residents don't even bother applying OOS because we have it so good in-state.

 

[FenderHM]

New York is the best! I'm biased because this state has been incredibly good to me. Also, technically we have 14 medical schools now due to Touro opening

MD: Columbia, Cornell, MSSM, NYU, AECOM, U. Roch, Albany, NYMC, Stony Brook, Upstate, Downstate, Buffalo

DO: NYCOM, Touro

Excelsior!

ha i agree new yorks been good to me too... hella opportunities in this state...

excelsior!

 

[MDtobe63]

Florida.

 

[Turtle78]

Ohio has:

Medical College of Ohio
Ohio State COM
University of Cincinatti SOM
NEOUCOM
Ohio University College of Osteopathic Medicine
Lake Erie College of Osteopathic Medicine
CWRU SOM + The Cleveland Clinic Lerner SOM (private but fantastic)

 

[dbbmd]

I have to agree that Texas is the best. Louisiana's tuition is comparable to Texas', but the Texas facilities were pretty dang awesome. This is coming from a Louisiana resident who interviewed at LSU-S, LSU-NO, Tulane, UT-H, UTSA, and UTSW. Although, if you are judging solely on whether or not you'll get in, Louisiana is pretty hard to beat (for LA residents only!).

 

[Rogerswife]

pg. 46 of the new MSAR:

"The individual school entries in Chapter 12 present data about resident and non-resident applicants and matriculants. Nationally, 62.2 percent of 2006 matriculants attended schools in their home states; 80.2 percent of students in public schools and 35.0 percent in private schools were state residents. Public schools are unlikely to admit nonresidents unless they have exceptionally strong credentials or strong ties to the state through prior residency, employment, education, or family members."

So what I've done is take a look at the total number of residents matriculating in each state (both public and private schools) and divided it by the total population of the state. Note that I have no way of knowing the relative number of people interested in medicine in each state, and the MSAR is limited to allopathic medicine.

The following data lists state, total number of matriculants in all schools within the state, state population, state population/million, and matriculants per million state residents. They are in increasing order of matriculated students per million state residents.

AZ 110 5.13E+06 5.13 21.44
CT 77 3.41E+06 3.41 22.61
CA 806 3.39E+07 33.87 23.80
OR 84 3.42E+06 3.42 24.55
NV 51 1.99E+06 1.99 25.65
MD 147 5.60E+06 5.60 26.25
CO 116 4.30E+06 4.30 26.97
FL 468 1.60E+07 15.98 29.28
WA 186 5.89E+06 5.89 31.56
VA 241 7.57E+06 7.57 31.85
IA 97 2.93E+06 2.93 33.15
MA 211 6.35E+06 6.35 33.23
NC 269 8.05E+06 8.05 33.42
UT 75 2.23E+06 2.23 33.58
MO 199 5.60E+06 5.60 35.57
PA 437 1.23E+07 12.28 35.58
NJ 301 8.41E+06 8.41 35.77
NM 70 1.93E+06 1.93 36.30
GA 315 8.19E+06 8.19 38.48
MS 110 2.84E+06 2.84 38.67
MN 193 4.92E+06 4.92 39.23
IN 240 6.08E+06 6.08 39.47
MI 393 9.94E+06 9.94 39.54
WI 213 5.36E+06 5.36 39.71
TN 227 5.69E+06 5.69 39.90
OK 140 3.45E+06 3.45 40.57
NY 770 1.90E+07 18.98 40.58
HI 56 1.21E+06 1.21 46.22
KY 193 4.17E+06 4.17 46.25
AR 132 2.67E+06 2.67 49.38
OH 564 1.14E+07 11.35 49.68
IL 625 1.24E+07 12.42 50.32
AL 226 4.45E+06 4.45 50.82
SC 210 4.01E+06 4.01 52.34
TX 1153 2.09E+07 20.85 55.29
KS 150 2.69E+06 2.69 55.79
SD 44 7.55E+05 0.75 58.29
VT 36 6.09E+05 0.61 59.13
NE 111 1.71E+06 1.71 64.86
WV 119 1.81E+06 1.81 65.81
ND 45 6.42E+05 0.64 70.07
LA 340 4.47E+06 4.47 76.08

So in short, there are fewer people fighting for 1153 resident seats in Texas than Cali which saved spots for 806 residents despite a substantially greater population. Last year, there were 76.08 resident medical school seats per million Louisiana citizens vs. 21.44 in Arizona.

I omitted New Hampshire, Rhode Island, and Washington, D.C. because they have no public medical schools. Alaska, Delaware, Idaho, Maine, Montana, and Wyoming have no medical schools. Some schools such as Arizona, UC-Irvine, Florida State, Mercer, Mississippi, Southern Illinois, LSU-Shreveport, matriculated state residents only. UC-Davis, Florida, LSU-NO, Massachusetts, New Mexico, Stony Brook, East Carolina, Northeastern Ohio, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas A&M, and Texas Tech matriculated 6 or fewer oos applicants.

I made the table with excel, so corrections/suggestions are welcome.

This is a great table, very revealing. However, one thing you have to consider with Washington is that about 15 spots each at UW are reserved for students from Wyoming, Idaho, Alaska, & Montana. So actually, the odds are even WORSE than those shown for Washington residents!