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that you have been involved in, where the patient walked out of the hospital with no gross deficit?

45 min of chest compressions for me.
 
Wow. Not just cardiac arrest but a 12 hr aortic dissection case with 2hr 20 mins circ arrest with intermittent anterograde perfusion. Out the door day 7. Made me question everything.
 
that you have been involved in, where the patient walked out of the hospital with no gross deficit?

45 min of chest compressions for me.


2.5 hours of chest compressions. The weird thing was that the patient would repeatedly go into v. fib and die. We would do compression and she would wake up and start moving trying to pull out her ETT. Once we stopped compressions after a few seconds she'd go back into V fib and die. This went on for 2.5 hours. 20 different people rotated for chest compressions (we literally had a line of people coming out of the door). It was funny in hindsight because of how awake she would be during compressions. We would literally apologize to her during compressions. Eventually placed her on VA ecmo. Subsequently had a heart transplant. I didn't completely follow up, but apparently had a decent outcome.
 
I have seen 145 minute circ arrest with no antegrade perfusion leave the hospital. Was a redo sternotomy s/p AVR on the late 1990s.
 
that you have been involved in, where the patient walked out of the hospital with no gross deficit?

45 min of chest compressions for me.
Wow, what was it? Seems like most codes I go to are PEA. Run through the list but pretty disappointing usually.
 
Cath lab pt coded during pci. They managed to open the vessel after 45 min of cpr. Woke up after 40 something hrs. Even the neurologist had written him off. Discharged home after a few days.
 
During CPR they were able to get the vessel open?
 
I'm guessing you got a perfusing rhythm and then they opened up flow to the vessel.
 
You guys all have me beat. We coded a kid for slightly over two hours one time (as a resident) and a Jehovah's witness (also as a resident) for almost two hours. But both died. I've seen a couple of out-of-hospital post-arrest return of circulation patients who've left the building neurologically intact, but they are few and far between. None of them had CPR for more than 10-15 minutes probably.
 
Prolonged (63 minutes) Ventricular Fibrillation, Followed by Unusual Cardiogenic Shock

Learning Points:
1. With excellent CPR technique, patients in ventricular fibrillation can be resuscitated even after a very long down time. In this case, even with a left ventricle that could barely fill, the CPR was effective enough to have adequate perfusion. Good chest compressions, at the right rate (at least 100) and depth (at least 5 cm, or 2 inches), decompression, ITD (ResQPod), slow ventilations (10/min), are among the many critical interventions that may lead to successful resuscitation. Whether co-incidental or not in this case, we have had good rates of conversion of VF when esmolol is given.
See this case of 68 minutes of cardiac arrest in a paramedic, plus recommendation from a 5 member expert panel on CPR.

2. Not all cardiac arrest, even with pathologic ST elevation, is due to STEMI. Cardiomyopathies, combined with cardiac arrest, can result in bizarre ECGs. Stress cardiomyopathy may cause VF and ST elevation, and other PseudoSTEMI patterns may be present but unrelated to the VF.
3. ECGs may be very bizarre immediately after defibrillation. Give a few minutes to record another before coming to conclusions.
4. Bedside ultrasound is incredibly valuable in cardiac arrest, both for assessing cardiac function and for assessing carotid blood flow.
5. Pulses may be absent when there is good perfusion through the carotid. Use Doppler carotid ultrasound to assess carotid flow. To my knowledge, there is no human literature on this.
6. End Tidal CO2 is a good indicator of effectiveness of chest compressions.
--By this systematic review in Resuscitation 2013, a value less than 10 mmHg (1.33 kPa) is associated with a very low return of spontaneous circulation.
--In this systematic review from J Int Care Med 2014, the mean etCO2 in patients with return of spontaneous circulation (ROSC) was 26 mm Hg (3.5 kPa)
7. Do not do any adverse neurologic prognostication prior to 72 hours after arrest, and it is preferable to wait even longer. Here is one article from 2014 on this topic by Keith Lurie's group from HCMC and the U of Minnesota, and another (on which I am a co-author) from HCMC this summer of 2014.
8. When a cardiac arrest victim has a history of "clots" and is on coumadin, one must entertain the diagnosis of pulmonary embolism. However, ventricular fibrillation is an unusual presenting rhythm in pulmonary embolism:
--In this study, 5% of VF arrest was due to PE: V fib is initial rhythm in PE in 3 of 60 cases. On the other hand, if the presenting rhythm is PEA, then pulmonary embolism is likely. When there is VF in PE, it is not the initial rhythm, but occurs after prolonged PEA renders the myocardium ischemic.
--Another study by Courtney and Kline found that, of cases of arrest that had autopsy and found that a presenting rhythm of VF/VT had an odds ratio of 0.02 for massive pulmonary embolism as the etiology, vs 41.9 for PEA.
 
2.5 hours of chest compressions. The weird thing was that the patient would repeatedly go into v. fib and die. We would do compression and she would wake up and start moving trying to pull out her ETT. Once we stopped compressions after a few seconds she'd go back into V fib and die. This went on for 2.5 hours. 20 different people rotated for chest compressions (we literally had a line of people coming out of the door). It was funny in hindsight because of how awake she would be during compressions. We would literally apologize to her during compressions. Eventually placed her on VA ecmo. Subsequently had a heart transplant. I didn't completely follow up, but apparently had a decent outcome.


You and I have a different definition of the word "die". I would suggest that what you meant to say is that the patient repeatedly went into V fib (which is by definition a pulseless rhythm) and required additional CPR/ACLS. They didn't die.
 
I personally was in cardiac arrest today for 1:30hrs. I mean I was literally dead. No neuro function whatsoever. My limbs were cold. I had not blinked in over 60 minutes.

Yes, this was me today.

I managed to survive and walk out of the hospital 1:30 hrs after the incident began.

It was a meeting with administration.

I just glad I survived.

But there is another one next month. Wish me luck.
 
By the definition of clinical death. 🙂

Clinical death is the medical term for cessation of blood circulation and breathing, the two necessary criteria to sustain human and many other organisms' lives.[1] It occurs when the heart stops beating in a regular rhythm, a condition called cardiac arrest.
When the heartbeat stops, a person is suffering clinical death - by definition. But consciousness is not lost until 15–20 seconds later. Up to this point, a person doesn't feel anything about the critical situation.

http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Clinical_death

Any time you have to do CPR, it's clinical death.
 
By the definition of clinical death. 🙂




http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Clinical_death

Any time you have to do CPR, it's clinical death.


The uniform determination of death. The National Conference of Commissioners on Uniform State Laws in 1980 formulated the Uniform Determination of Death Act. It states that: "An individual who has sustained either (1) irreversible cessation of circulatory and respiratory functions, or (2) irreversible cessation of all functions of the entire brain, including the brain stem is dead. A determination of death must be made in accordance with accepted medical standards." This definition was approved by the American Medical Association in 1980 and by the American Bar Association in 1981.
 
That's why it's called "clinical", as in possibly reversible with CPR, but irreversibly dead (at least brain-dead) in 5-10 minutes without it.

If it makes you feel better, we'll just call it pre-death, like pre-diabetes. 😛
 
That's why it's called "clinical", as in possibly reversible with CPR, but irreversibly dead (at least brain-dead) in 5-10 minutes without it.

If it makes you feel better, we'll just call it pre-death, like pre-diabetes. 😛

Clinical death is a made up wiki term as far as I'm concerned. Death is death is death. Irreversible outside of a religious miracle. When someone codes I don't tell them they died and we brought them back from heaven. I tell them their heart stopped beating and we had to resuscitate them until it started again.
 
Wow. Not just cardiac arrest but a 12 hr aortic dissection case with 2hr 20 mins circ arrest with intermittent anterograde perfusion. Out the door day 7. Made me question everything.

Wow. I thought I was pretty special after my patient's 70 min circ arrest. Walked out in a week. The surgeon pushed the oscillating saw blade thru the RA. Beautiful, orchid shaped 12 inch plume of blood leapt from the chest. I'll never forget it. The assistant's eyes stayed on it like a breaking ball right into the bat. Her eyes were as large as frying pans. The surgeon calmly went to the groins while I matched O2 consumption and we and got the guy onto bypass. Was a redo sternotomy of course. Those were the days....

Oh...it was a circ arrest case because it was a redo ao valve, replacing the asc ao.
 
How would canulation of the femoral vessels help that situation? If the chest is already open wouldn't you have to use the ivc and svc instead?
 
How would canulation of the femoral vessels help that situation? If the chest is already open wouldn't you have to use the ivc and svc instead?

Chest was socked in and wasn't all the way open when the saw went through. It was a redo. No way could he have done the dissection, purse stitches and cannulated before the patient bled to death. Sucker bypass 'till he got the chest all the way open and got control.
 
I saw time a trauma pt get coded for 30 mins, then time of death was called in the OR after a failed ex lap...only to have the pt fully revived by a medical student being taught cardiac massage by the trauma surgeon about 10 minutes later (after he regained a pulse, they located the bleeding artery and stopped it). Strangely, no neuro deficits...pt ended up 100% normal.

Granted he was young (teenager) and the OR was colder than normal that day...
 
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