When is a DNP a Doctor?

[762513]

I'm curious what this forum has to say. I'm mostly interesting in hearing well thought out viewpoints to support your vote. I have an open mind on this subject, please convince me.

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[Melchizedek]

They ARE doctors. They ARE NOT physicians.

 

[RangerBob]

As pointed out above, they are doctors. Most of the NPs I worked with in residency/fellowship were great and did not ever try to mislead patients (they introduced themselves as "RangerBob, nurse practitioner"). But they did earn their title. (I'm sure others will argue about how "easy" the degree is, and while I'm sure some DNP programs are easy, some aren't, and it's not like ours is the most difficult doctorate anyway)

People only think of physicians when the word "doctor" is used because for the most part, we are the only doctors the general population really interacted with throughout history. Your average farmer had no reason to speak with a doctor of theology, philosophy (the first doctorates), or whatever. Now there are many more doctorates and it's more common to run into a doctor of xxx.

Still, I agree it adds to confusion in a healthcare setting. But the truth is most patients think med students are doctors and residents are med students (and that most female physicians are nurses, especially at the VA), so even having large "Physician" ID tags and clearly introducing yourself really doesn't make that big a difference. I believe posting pictures with names at the bedside helps though--I think that should be standard in every hospital to be honest.

 

[VA Hopeful Dr]

As pointed out above, they are doctors. Most of the NPs I worked with in residency/fellowship were great and did not ever try to mislead patients (they introduced themselves as "RangerBob, nurse practitioner"). But they did earn their title. (I'm sure others will argue about how "easy" the degree is, and while I'm sure some DNP programs are easy, some aren't, and it's not like ours is the most difficult doctorate anyway)

People only think of physicians when the word "doctor" is used because for the most part, we are the only doctors the general population really interacted with throughout history. Your average farmer had no reason to speak with a doctor of theology, philosophy (the first doctorates), or whatever. Now there are many more doctorates and it's more common to run into a doctor of xxx.

Still, I agree it adds to confusion in a healthcare setting. But the truth is most patients think med students are doctors and residents are med students (and that most female physicians are nurses, especially at the VA), so even having large "Physician" ID tags and clearly introducing yourself really doesn't make that big a difference. I believe posting pictures with names at the bedside helps though--I think that should be standard in every hospital to be honest.

Yep.

PTs and Pharmacists are doctors now. But I've yet to meet one of either that introduces themselves as such.

Academically speaking, all of these people are doctors. With patients, none of them should be introducing themselves as Doctor.

 

[atomheart]

This is a really bad survey. Like written by someone who doesn't understand how nursing students think.

First of all the 'threat' of nurses that call themselves doctors is bullcrap. I have yet to meet a DNP bold enough to call themself a doctor in front of patient and physician. Sure I've read stories here about them, but I haven't talked to a single DNP or nursing practitioner student who thinks they're a doctor. I have instead talked to several who are intimidated, ashamed, or afraid of the term to the point of talking down about being called a doctor. Even if they were to be called doctor, they know in their minds they're just not: "IknowImnotadoctor". Cognitive dissonance kicks in. These nurses don't want to be known as 'doctor', but instead for everyone in the medical field to be "equal" and to instead be a "provider" of services. The number of nurses I've seen using this term FAR outnumber those who want to be called doctor.

Second, they are afraid of the cultural significance of the term, but none of these students think the term "doctor" means anything. That's that's the first challenge I offer them: tell me what a doctor--what a physician--is. None of them can tell me what function a physician performs. They believe that a nursing practitioner is interchangeable with a physician assistant which is interchangeable with a physician. Anyone can learn any of the clinical skills regardless of education. The intention of the term "provider" is to enshroud the origin of one's credentials to the point that a patient treats everyone the same. They would rather the term "doctor" leave medicine completely.

The chip on the shoulder of any given DNP student is large enough to alter the meaning of "doctor" and "nurse".

 

[762513]

This is a really bad survey. Like written by someone who doesn't understand how nursing students think.

First of all the 'threat' of nurses that call themselves doctors is bullcrap. I have yet to meet a DNP bold enough to call themself a doctor in front of patient and physician. Sure I've read stories here about them, but I haven't talked to a single DNP or nursing practitioner student who thinks they're a doctor. I have instead talked to several who are intimidated, ashamed, or afraid of the term to the point of talking down about being called a doctor. Even if they were to be called doctor, they know in their minds they're just not: "IknowImnotadoctor". Cognitive dissonance kicks in. These nurses don't want to be known as 'doctor', but instead for everyone in the medical field to be "equal" and to instead be a "provider" of services. The number of nurses I've seen using this term FAR outnumber those who want to be called doctor.

Second, they are afraid of the cultural significance of the term, but none of these students think the term "doctor" means anything. That's that's the first challenge I offer them: tell me what a doctor--what a physician--is. None of them can tell me what function a physician performs. They believe that a nursing practitioner is interchangeable with a physician assistant which is interchangeable with a physician. Anyone can learn any of the clinical skills regardless of education. The intention of the term "provider" is to enshroud the origin of one's credentials to the point that a patient treats everyone the same. They would rather the term "doctor" leave medicine completely.

The chip on the shoulder of any given DNP student is large enough to alter the meaning of "doctor" and "nurse".

I know how nursing students think. This survey wasn’t created for them, it was created for SDN. Doctor means teacher. Doctor does not mean physician.

 

[smq123]

Yep.

PTs and Pharmacists are doctors now. But I've yet to meet one of either that introduces themselves as such.

Academically speaking, all of these people are doctors. With patients, none of them should be introducing themselves as Doctor.

I agree with you on the pharmacists and PTs.

But in the interest of intellectual honesty and consistency, where do we draw the line? How do we draw the line? I don't have a problem introducing a clinical psychologist, who has a PhD, as "Dr. Psychologist." I don't have a problem addressing a dentist, who has a DMD or a DDS, as "Dr. Dentist," either. So I'm not really sure why I have a mental block against addressing a PT, who has a PhD, as "Dr. Physical Therapist" or a DNP as "Doctor Nurse Practitioner." Is it the whole "who has final responsibility for the patient" thing? Probably, but is that too arbitrary a line?

 

[VA Hopeful Dr]

I agree with you on the pharmacists and PTs.

But in the interest of intellectual honesty and consistency, where do we draw the line? How do we draw the line? I don't have a problem introducing a clinical psychologist, who has a PhD, as "Dr. Psychologist." I don't have a problem addressing a dentist, who has a DMD or a DDS, as "Dr. Dentist," either. So I'm not really sure why I have a mental block against addressing a PT, who has a PhD, as "Dr. Physical Therapist" or a DNP as "Doctor Nurse Practitioner." Is it the whole "who has final responsibility for the patient" thing? Probably, but is that too arbitrary a line?

Because they are new doctor level degrees.

Clinical psychology has always been doctor, same with dentistry, optometry, podiatry.

Everyone else is a Johnny-come-lately.

Edit: PTs don't have PhDs, they have DPTs

 

[Stagg737]

First of all the 'threat' of nurses that call themselves doctors is bullcrap. I have yet to meet a DNP bold enough to call themself a doctor in front of patient and physician. Sure I've read stories here about them, but I haven't talked to a single DNP or nursing practitioner student who thinks they're a doctor.

If this is legitimately true it makes me wonder how little clinical experience you have, as I've encountered numerous NPs who insist on being called "Doctor" and who are appalled when others don't recognize that.

I agree with you on the pharmacists and PTs.

But in the interest of intellectual honesty and consistency, where do we draw the line? How do we draw the line? I don't have a problem introducing a clinical psychologist, who has a PhD, as "Dr. Psychologist." I don't have a problem addressing a dentist, who has a DMD or a DDS, as "Dr. Dentist," either. So I'm not really sure why I have a mental block against addressing a PT, who has a PhD, as "Dr. Physical Therapist" or a DNP as "Doctor Nurse Practitioner." Is it the whole "who has final responsibility for the patient" thing? Probably, but is that too arbitrary a line?

Imo the setting matters. I fully respect PhDs, pharmD's, DPTs, etc as individuals who have earned the title doctor. However, in a hospital or clinical setting the term "doctor" has a specific connotation which is basically equivalent to physician. We can argue that such implications of the vernacular are inappropriate, but these are the expectations of the public. Given this norm, I don't find it appropriate to refer to DPTs, PharmD's, etc as "doctor" in the presence of patients or even the general public within the walls of a hospital or clinic even if I do believe they have earned that title.

 

[Goro]

I'm curious what this forum has to say. I'm mostly interesting in hearing well thought out viewpoints to support your vote. I have an open mind on this subject, please convince me.

Be prepared for the wailing and gnashing of teeth from those who believe specific terms are meant only for God's True Anointed.

A professor of economics with a PhD is entitled to be called "doctor". But obviously, s/he is not a physician. Ahhh, Melchizedek beat me to it!

 

[VA Hopeful Dr]

Be prepared for the wailing and gnashing of teeth from those who believe specific terms are meant only for God's True Anointed.

A professor of economics with a PhD is entitled to be called "doctor". But obviously, s/he is not a physician. Ahhh, Melchizedek beat me to it!

This thread has actually been quite civil. Amazing what not being in Allo does for a discussion

 

[762513]

Be prepared for the wailing and gnashing of teeth from those who believe specific terms are meant only for God's True Anointed.

A professor of economics with a PhD is entitled to be called "doctor". But obviously, s/he is not a physician. Ahhh, Melchizedek beat me to it!

Currently the vote is 11 to 7 concerning whether someone who earned a doctorate is even a doctor. That meets my expectation from what SDN would say.

This thread has actually been quite civil. Amazing what not being in Allo does for a discussion

Yes, the people who have posted have been very civil. I would like to hear the arguments from the people who don’t think DNP’s are doctors in any sense of the word or in any environment.

 

[Goro]

This thread has actually been quite civil. Amazing what not being in Allo does for a discussion

 

[VA Hopeful Dr]

Yes, the people who have posted have been very civil. I would like to hear the arguments from the people who don’t think DNP’s are doctors in any sense of the word or in any environment.

No, you wouldn't. You've seen them in some of the more nasty threads you've been caught in before.

 

[Cryc_to_the_point]

My line is based on who is in the house of medicine in the medical setting.

 

[GypsyHummus]

I agree. It can be confusing. Should PT be called doctors in a clinical setting? What if PAs have to get a doctoral degree in the next couple years? Will they be able to supervise themselves?

Final responsibility for patient can mean a number of things. PTs basically have final responsibility in treatment plans. Is it people who can prescribe medication?

I agree with you on the pharmacists and PTs.

But in the interest of intellectual honesty and consistency, where do we draw the line? How do we draw the line? I don't have a problem introducing a clinical psychologist, who has a PhD, as "Dr. Psychologist." I don't have a problem addressing a dentist, who has a DMD or a DDS, as "Dr. Dentist," either. So I'm not really sure why I have a mental block against addressing a PT, who has a PhD, as "Dr. Physical Therapist" or a DNP as "Doctor Nurse Practitioner." Is it the whole "who has final responsibility for the patient" thing? Probably, but is that too arbitrary a line?

 

[It's lupus!]

Just a thought. A doctoral degree is a terminal degree. Therefore NP, PA, DPT, PharmD and the like are just receiving a degree indicating they have reached the terminus of their education for their role. While verbage can be an issue in terms of the general public I do find it strange that there are people concerned with the title. Social change is slow, but it might be time to define ourselves (not me yet) as physicians and eventually that will be the expectation. The use of doctor is extending to more whether anyone likes it or not. Might as well get comfortable, yeah?

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[QueenJames]

My high school sub had a PhD. So we called her "Dr."

My micro professor also had a PhD. So we called him "Dr." too.

They can be called "doctor" all they want.

They will never be "PHYSICIANS".

 

[GypsyHummus]

Then that begs the question, what constitutes a physician? People that diagnose and treat illness independently? Optometrists, Dentists, podiatrists, NPs do that.

Is it the standardized clinical testing that makes a physician a physician? If so, there are DOs that wouldn’t be considered “physicians” as they have taken the COMLEX and not USMLE.

I think eventually, the goal post will be moved.

My high school sub had a PhD. So we called her "Dr."

My micro professor also had a PhD. So we called him "Dr." too.

They can be called "doctor" all they want.

They will never be "PHYSICIANS".

 

[UnoMas]

A good rule of thumb is: if you have to ask, you probably aren't
You think any newly minted MD or DO intern has any reservations when they introduce themselves to their first patient on July 1st: " Hi, I am Dr. so and so"? It's their inalienable right

 

[762513]

A good rule of thumb is: if you have to ask, you probably aren't
You think any newly minted MD or DO intern has any reservations when they introduce themselves to their first patient on July 1st: " Hi, I am Dr. so and so"? It's their inalienable right

If Doctor and Physician are identical words, why does the word Physician even exist?

 

[UnoMas]

I don't know go ask an English professor or the whoever in charge of adding/removing words from hmm real life?

 

[762513]

I don't know go ask an English professor or the whoever in charge of adding/removing words from hmm real life?

The better answer is Doctor and Physician are not identical words.

 

[UnoMas]

if that's the answer you want to hear then sure!

 

[762513]

I want to hear a well reasoned, logical reason for why so many people choose D. Go ahead. So you’re saying these are identical words, Doctor and Physician. Explain.

 

[UnoMas]

There is no need for any logical reason. It just is. Like I said above, if you have to ask, you probably aren't. If you are looking for philosophical debates, mental masturbation regarding the semantics, this probably isn't the right place.

 

[762513]

Nice trolling. There's no better place for this debate than here. Should I go to allnurses, where everyone will agree with every word I say? No thanks. I hate that sort of thing.

 

[UnoMas]

And none of the answers posted above satisfied you?

 

[GypsyHummus]

Would you consider Podiatrists, Dentists, or Optometrists physicians? What if they did a residency?

If so, why, and if not, why not?

There is no need for any logical reason. It just is. Like I said above, if you have to ask, you probably aren't. If you are looking for philosophical debates, mental masturbation regarding the semantics, this probably isn't the right place.

 

[Hamhock]

where do we draw the line? How do we draw the line? I don't have a problem introducing a clinical psychologist, who has a PhD, as "Dr. Psychologist." I don't have a problem addressing a dentist, who has a DMD or a DDS, as "Dr. Dentist," either. So I'm not really sure why I have a mental block against addressing a PT, who has a PhD, as "Dr. Physical Therapist" or a DNP as "Doctor Nurse Practitioner." Is it the whole "who has final responsibility for the patient" thing? Probably, but is that too arbitrary a line?

It's all about context/environment:

-- PharmD, DPT -- doctor in the classroom or academic environment pertaining to their field of expertise.

-- The psych PhD/PsyD is doctor in the clinical or academic environment, but not the hospital. At the bedside in the hospital, the psychiatrist is the doctor and the PsyD may be depending on the hospital environment.

-- The PhD is doctor on academic councils and the academic environment.

-- DNP may be doctor in the nursing classroom/nursing school and, depending on the amount of research they are doing, sometimes in the general or medical academic environment.

Neither the DNP, PharmD, nor DPT is doctor in the hospital at the bedside. This doesn't seem that controversial.

HH

 

[762513]

It's all about context/environment:

-- PharmD, DPT -- doctor in the classroom or academic environment pertaining to their field of expertise.

-- The psych PhD/PsyD is doctor in the clinical or academic environment, but not the hospital. At the bedside in the hospital, the psychiatrist is the doctor and the PsyD may be depending on the hospital environment.

-- The PhD is doctor on academic councils and the academic environment.

-- DNP may be doctor in the nursing classroom/nursing school and, depending on the amount of research they are doing, sometimes in the general or medical academic environment.

Neither the DNP, PharmD, nor DPT is doctor in the hospital at the bedside. This doesn't seem that controversial.

HH

One wouldn’t think so, but look at the results of the poll?

 

[Stagg737]

One wouldn’t think so, but look at the results of the poll?

Would be interesting to see what degree each person who voted holds. I'd be surprised to see an actual MD or DO voting for one of the first two options.

 

[762513]

Would be interesting to see what degree each person who voted holds. I'd be surprised to see an actual MD or DO voting for one of the first two options.

You’d be surprised. Option 4 was mostly a test to see how toxic people are. I wasn’t disappointed with the results.

 

[762513]

It's all about context/environment:

-- PharmD, DPT -- doctor in the classroom or academic environment pertaining to their field of expertise.

-- The psych PhD/PsyD is doctor in the clinical or academic environment, but not the hospital. At the bedside in the hospital, the psychiatrist is the doctor and the PsyD may be depending on the hospital environment.

-- The PhD is doctor on academic councils and the academic environment.

-- DNP may be doctor in the nursing classroom/nursing school and, depending on the amount of research they are doing, sometimes in the general or medical academic environment.

Neither the DNP, PharmD, nor DPT is doctor in the hospital at the bedside. This doesn't seem that controversial.

HH

A DNP, PharmD, and DPT is a doctor literally every minute of every day until they die. I don’t use my title in the hospital because it’s disrespectful to physicians and confusing to the patients. I don’t use it when I teach, either, because I feel it can negatively impact an open learning environment. I don’t use it when doing research because honestly what’s the point? So I pretty much am never in a situation where I would want to use it.

 

[Hamhock]

A DNP, PharmD, and DPT is a doctor literally every minute of every day until they die. .

This is misleading. Your poll question was not, "Which of these are doctors?"

Rather, you asked, "When should a DNP call themselves doctor?"

When they should call themselves doctor is context/environment dependent.

HH

 

[NicMouse64]

A DNP, PharmD, and DPT is a doctor literally every minute of every day until they die. I don’t use my title in the hospital because it’s disrespectful to physicians and confusing to the patients. I don’t use it when I teach, either, because I feel it can negatively impact an open learning environment. I don’t use it when doing research because honestly what’s the point? So I pretty much am never in a situation where I would want to use it.

Dude. Are you just looking to add napalm to NP threads? Why do you feel the need to keep commenting on these things? So what if a few people think you aren't a doctor or a physician. The fact of the matter is you didn't go to medical school and take Step 1,2,3 or do a residency. If you care so much just go to medical school and go through these steps.

If you don't care then why even comment? If some DNP somewhere wants to go to their nursing school and call themselves a doctor IDGAF. I called my PI in my lab a Dr. all the time and had no issue with it. I am upset when they misrepresent themselves to patients. such as the time when I was told I'd see a physician and they sent me to a PA as if I wouldn't know the difference.

 

[762513]

This is misleading. Your poll question was not, "Which of these are doctors?"

Rather, you asked, "When should a DNP call themselves doctor?"

When they should call themselves doctor is context/environment dependent.

HH

True. I apologize.

 

[762513]

Dude. Are you just looking to add napalm to NP threads? Why do you feel the need to keep commenting on these things? So what if a few people think you aren't a doctor or a physician. The fact of the matter is you didn't go to medical school and take Step 1,2,3 or do a residency. If you care so much just go to medical school and go through these steps.

If you don't care then why even comment? If some DNP somewhere wants to go to their nursing school and call themselves a doctor IDGAF. I called my PI in my lab a Dr. all the time and had no issue with it. I am upset when they misrepresent themselves to patients. such as the time when I was told I'd see a physician and they sent me to a PA as if I wouldn't know the difference.

This post was necrobumped. I was simply responding. Go look at the history.

 

[psych_pa]

This is a really bad survey. Like written by someone who doesn't understand how nursing students think.

First of all the 'threat' of nurses that call themselves doctors is bullcrap. I have yet to meet a DNP bold enough to call themself a doctor in front of patient and physician. Sure I've read stories here about them, but I haven't talked to a single DNP or nursing practitioner student who thinks they're a doctor.

I have seen A LOT of this. A DNP correcting a pt in front of a physician stating they demand to be called doctor. Yes. This happens.

I think addressing your full title to patients would alleviate any confusion, however I understand it can be a bit winded. Worth it in my opinion.

EX: Hello my name is Joe Schmoe, Doctor of Physical Therapy. You may call me _____ [Preference here].
Hello, My name is Tammy Sue, Doctor of Nursing Practice. You may call me _____ [Preference here].
Hello, My name is Dr. Schmidt, Physician.

 

[AliBabaMD]

DNPs are doctors, but I honestly believe the term doctor carries a lot of assumptions that may not be necessarily valid. For example, an NP can do just as much patient work as a DNP. I don't know why people get the DNP besides to teach but this is likely my ignorance shining.

 

[KeikoTanaka]

I often think of this quote when this debate comes up: A rose by any other name would smell as sweet.

Sure, everyone can be "Dr.", if they want, or even "Overlord Doctor" or "Supreme Leader", but at the end of the day, you're just as sweet smelling as anyone else who has your degree. Patient's may not know better, but insurance companies, hospitals, lawyers, and other healthcare providers do.

I used to work for a Chiropractor who was "Dr. so and so", and honestly, I couldn't think of anything better to call him. It would have felt weird calling him "Mr" because that's for teachers or other established members of your society, and I definitely wouldn't called him by his first name.... calling him Dr. felt right. But at the end of the day, I knew he was not a Medical Doctor or Physician.

However, as a Chiropractor he was in an independent practice where he was at the apex of what he did.

For that reason, PAs, NPs, DPTs, and PharmD shouldn't be called "Doctors" in the presence of a Physician. But let us pretend I was a Pharm D student doing rotations under the head PharmD inside a pharmacy.... I would probably call the head person "dr" because it's a respectful term to call your superiors.

I have 2 friends who are DPTs and do not consider themselves Doctors... and I have a PA friend who wouldn't consider herself Doctor... and they don't want to, they are "****, Physical Therapist" and "****, Physician Assistant"....

I knew an NP at a PCP practice I worked at who did not call herself Doctor, but if patients called her one, she wouldn't correct them, it would just be too much time. But if she was the first to introduce herself, she would be "****, Nurse Practitioner"

Doctor is a term to call your superiors who have Doctorates, but in contextual medical settings, the term should be limited to DOs and MDs as to not confuse people, especially patients.

If you were on a plane and someone passed out and their friend shouted "Is anyone here a Doctor!?!?!?" I would still trust the Emergency RN/PA/NP over the PharmD, DPT, DC, or any PhD.. a Doctor in the eyes of the public I feel like has a certain connotation about being able to synthesize pathophysiology/pharmacological/physical exam findings into a well thought out plan for a patient to follow. PharmDs lack the physical pathology knowledge whereas DPTs lack the Medication knowledge. NPs and PAs have those skills, but not to the extent as a Physician, and that's why the hierarchy exists.

Sorry for the long post.

 

[psych_pa]

I have a PA friend who wouldn't consider herself Doctor....

This is because PAs are NOT doctors. I think there may be just a couple of schools out there that offer this (DMS Doctorate of Medical Science), but for the most part PAs just have a Masters degree. If any PA addresses themselves as a doctor this is troublesome because the likelihood of them having a doctorate is slim.

 

[anbuitachi]

Another question to ask is what does doctor even mean these days? What is preventing someone from opening a 'doctorate' program? Many DNP programs are ONLINE. Has that even occurred before in other doctorate professions? You can't get a MD, PharmD, PhD, JD, DDS, by doing online courses but you can with DNP.

This is a really bad survey. Like written by someone who doesn't understand how nursing students think.

First of all the 'threat' of nurses that call themselves doctors is bullcrap. I have yet to meet a DNP bold enough to call themself a doctor in front of patient and physician. Sure I've read stories here about them, but I haven't talked to a single DNP or nursing practitioner student who thinks they're a doctor. I have instead talked to several who are intimidated, ashamed, or afraid of the term to the point of talking down about being called a doctor. Even if they were to be called doctor, they know in their minds they're just not: "IknowImnotadoctor". Cognitive dissonance kicks in. These nurses don't want to be known as 'doctor', but instead for everyone in the medical field to be "equal" and to instead be a "provider" of services. The number of nurses I've seen using this term FAR outnumber those who want to be called doctor.

Second, they are afraid of the cultural significance of the term, but none of these students think the term "doctor" means anything. That's that's the first challenge I offer them: tell me what a doctor--what a physician--is. None of them can tell me what function a physician performs. They believe that a nursing practitioner is interchangeable with a physician assistant which is interchangeable with a physician. Anyone can learn any of the clinical skills regardless of education. The intention of the term "provider" is to enshroud the origin of one's credentials to the point that a patient treats everyone the same. They would rather the term "doctor" leave medicine completely.

The chip on the shoulder of any given DNP student is large enough to alter the meaning of "doctor" and "nurse".

It doesnt happen that often but it does happen. some CRNAs introduced themself as Doctor so and so infront of politicians not that long ago.

 

[762513]

Another question to ask is what does doctor even mean these days? What is preventing someone from opening a 'doctorate' program? Many DNP programs are ONLINE. Has that even occurred before in other doctorate professions? You can't get a MD, PharmD, PhD, JD, DDS, by doing online courses but you can with DNP.



It doesnt happen that often but it does happen. some CRNAs introduced themself as Doctor so and so infront of politicians not that long ago.

You can absolutely get a JD and PhD online. I question your opinion for lacking knowledge that basic.

 

[anbuitachi]

You can absolutely get a JD and PhD online. I question your opinion for lacking knowledge that basic.

You are correct. i totally forgot about that. how much are they worth though?

 

[762513]

You are correct. i totally forgot about that. how much are they worth though?

As much as any other lawyer or professor. What you do with your education is ultimately what makes you successful or not.

 

[UnoMas]

As much as any other lawyer or professor. What you do with your education is ultimately what makes you successful or not.

Not really, the online JD usually will end up doing $40 bankruptcy file or $150 divorce all inclusive. Online PhD? I know PhD from legit places struggling. Not to mention, these are highly theoretical disciplines where online coursework may be acceptable. How do you teach clinical medicine online?

 

[762513]

Not really, the online JD usually will end up doing $40 bankruptcy file or $150 divorce all inclusive. Online PhD? I know PhD from legit places struggling. Not to mention, these are highly theoretical disciplines where online coursework may be acceptable. How do you teach clinical medicine online?

I’m curious as to what you think a DNP actually is. Before looking it up, tell me what it is.

 

[UnoMas]

Doctor of Nurse Practitioner or Nursing Practice

 

[762513]

Doctor of Nurse Practitioner or Nursing Practice

Sure. But I really want to know what you think the degree IS.