Where to find out what Canadian schools are accredited in the US?

[druggeek]

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I'm an undergrad at a Canadian university in Ontario, and although my uni is accredited all across Canada.. I've still heard for some states that some reputable unis have not been accredited (don't know if actually true). While at the same time I know that some unis only need to recognize the association that accredites them (and obviously they'd recognize a Canadian association).

So any ideas on where I can find this out? Or does it really vary from school to school? My plan is to apply all across Canada, and do every single MD school that Canadians have a half decent chance of getting into... as well as applying to every DO school that takes in Canadians.

Any help is appreciated.

 

[Mithril]

As far as I know your transcripts need to be approved by the Association of Universities and Colleges of Canada, but if you're at an Ontario university your school is on that list so it won't be an issue. US allopathic schools that accept Canadians have no issues with Canadian undergrad education and you can find a list here: http://www.premed101.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19065

But that's for US allopathic schools and not DO schools. I don't recommend DO schools if you plan to come back to Canada to practice because you can't match into CaRMS. If you go to a US allopathic school you are still equal to a Canadian who went to a Canadian allopathic school. You'll probably have to contact DO schools individually to see if they accept Canadians and what Canadian institutions are accredited in their eyes.

 

[blizzah]

@Druggeek

Your university will be accredited 99.99%. Unless you are at Everest college or something.


@Mithril

http://www.carms.ca/eng/r1_eligibility_prov_e.shtml

Scroll down to Summary of intake criteria for Osteopathic School Graduates

Obviously first iteration does not mean you WILL match, but to say that you can't is also incorrect.

 

[druggeek]

As far as I know your transcripts need to be approved by the Association of Universities and Colleges of Canada, but if you're at an Ontario university your school is on that list so it won't be an issue. US allopathic schools that accept Canadians have no issues with Canadian undergrad education and you can find a list here: http://www.premed101.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19065

But that's for US allopathic schools and not DO schools. I don't recommend DO schools if you plan to come back to Canada to practice because you can't match into CaRMS. If you go to a US allopathic school you are still equal to a Canadian who went to a Canadian allopathic school. You'll probably have to contact DO schools individually to see if they accept Canadians and what Canadian institutions are accredited in their eyes.

Thanks for the link.
I thought that too, but in the DO thread on this forum, they talked about how DO graduates (Canadians) are eligible in Ontario for 1st round matching for residency. There was a link too that showed the breakdown of provinces and who they allow for 1st round matching and DOs were labelled as "eligible."

 

[druggeek]

@Druggeek

Your university will be accredited 99.99%. Unless you are at Everest college or something.


@Mithril

http://www.carms.ca/eng/r1_eligibility_prov_e.shtml

Scroll down to Summary of intake criteria for Osteopathic School Graduates

Obviously first iteration does not mean you WILL match, but to say that you can't is also incorrect.

lol okay more relieved now.

If you're fine with family and pretty good, I cant see how you wouldnt match.

 

[Mithril]

Oh yeah, I forgot that BC and Ontario allow first round and Alberta allows second round.

 

[druggeek]

Another question, how many schools expect the entire 4 year tuition up front in one piece? I'm guessing most go by paying year by year. I'm planning on coming out with 0 dollars in loans, and would prefer to pay 30-50k/year rather than 250k in one piece 🙂

 

[Mithril]

Sinai, SLU, NYMC, and Kentucky require escrow accounts to pay for part or all of tuition and living expenses. There are definitely a lot more other Canadian-friendly schools that require these accounts. Just search on premed101 for experiences of other students.

 

[druggeek]

Sinai, SLU, NYMC, and Kentucky require escrow accounts to pay for part or all of tuition and living expenses. There are definitely a lot more other Canadian-friendly schools that require these accounts. Just search on premed101 for experiences of other students.

okay thanks. Guessing these will tend to be upper tier american schools though and mid tier/low tier will not require these.

Basically my priority list is like..

UofT/ 🙂Harvard 🙂
Other Ontario schools
Other Canadian schools
Cost:quality best MD american schools (best combo of both)
Any MD school that takes me in the US
DO schools


I apply to every single school I can and see what's the highest I get.

 

[blizzah]

Another question, how many schools expect the entire 4 year tuition up front in one piece? I'm guessing most go by paying year by year. I'm planning on coming out with 0 dollars in loans, and would prefer to pay 30-50k/year rather than 250k in one piece 🙂

How would paying 50k per year mean no loans compared to 200k at once? You plan on making that 50 in the summers?

 

[druggeek]

How would paying 50k per year mean no loans compared to 200k at once? You plan on making that 50 in the summers?

lol parents will be paying 100% of it. Paying 250k + may be a small issue vs. 50k year by year.

 

[SH3]

So any ideas on where I can find this out? Or does it really vary from school to school? My plan is to apply all across Canada, and do every single MD school that Canadians have a half decent chance of getting into... as well as applying to every DO school that takes in Canadians.

Someone is going to have a busy application cycle.

 

[druggeek]

Someone is going to have a busy application cycle.

From a realistic point of view... what will be the result of applying to ~60 schools in north america? Time wise, interviews, etc etc

 

[blizzah]

From a realistic point of view... what will be the result of applying to ~60 schools in north america? Time wise, interviews, etc etc

I was burnt out enough from the American app (and I only did MD) that I didnt bother with canada afterwards.

 

[druggeek]

I was burnt out enough from the American app (and I only did MD) that I didnt bother with canada afterwards.

why though? lol. I'm not familiar with the american process.

 

[blizzah]

why though? lol. I'm not familiar with the american process.

American apps are in the summer. So after 30 secondaries, tracking down LORs, going to interviews and what not, once Oct came around for OMSAS, it wasn't worth it to me to apply to essentially one school (U of T).

That, and I think I want to give living in the US for a few years at least a go.

You really need to decide on what/where you want to go. One person really doesn't have the time to committ to applying to all the schools you are planning

 

[druggeek]

American apps are in the summer. So after 30 secondaries, tracking down LORs, going to interviews and what not, once Oct came around for OMSAS, it wasn't worth it to me to apply to essentially one school (U of T).

That, and I think I want to give living in the US for a few years at least a go.

You really need to decide on what/where you want to go. One person really doesn't have the time to committ to applying to all the schools you are planning

Well it's better than risk not getting in. But I dont see how it would matter if they're not at the same time :S (the application cycles).

Ontario/Canada of course has the advantages that:

you're paying less money (regardless if you're rich or not, less money paid is less money)

better chance to do rotations at a place you'll want to match for res after (in ontario)

higher chance of getting into a specialty you want (unless you're at a top notch american uni)

closer to where you lived before

etc etc and so on


Theres a few places I'd love to be in, but I want a "virtual guarantee" that I won't be rejected (given very good stats/ECs) and won't have to waste a year before reapplying.

 

[JasonicBoom]

1. Well it's better than risk not getting in. But I dont see how it would matter if they're not at the same time :S (the application cycles).

2. Ontario/Canada of course has the advantages that:

you're paying less money (regardless if you're rich or not, less money paid is less money)

better chance to do rotations at a place you'll want to match for res after (in ontario)

higher chance of getting into a specialty you want (unless you're at a top notch american uni)

closer to where you lived before

etc etc and so on


3. Theres a few places I'd love to be in, but I want a "virtual guarantee" that I won't be rejected (given very good stats/ECs) and won't have to waste a year before reapplying.

1. If you apply to like 60 schools in America, that will definitely be a full time job for you in the summer with all those secondaries. If you're successful, you'll begin your interviews in September, the time you should be prepping for you OMSAS, which is due beginning of October. Throw in some school and you'll be very burnt out. I promise.

2. If you want to practice in Canada, and it seems like you do, then of course going to med school in Canada has it's advantages. Then there're people like Blizzah and I who have been thinking about making the move down to the States for a while. There are other advantages there. I won't go into all of them, but one example is that there are a lot more opportunities for academic medicine in terms of career in the US, which is something I'm looking for.

3. If you have good stats/ECs, then there really shouldn't be any reason for you to apply to more than 30 or so schools IMO. If you're not hearing for any at that point, there's probably something wrong with your application that applying to 60 schools won't fix.

 

[druggeek]

1. If you apply to like 60 schools in America, that will definitely be a full time job for you in the summer with all those secondaries. If you're successful, you'll begin your interviews in September, the time you should be prepping for you OMSAS, which is due beginning of October. Throw in some school and you'll be very burnt out. I promise.

2. If you want to practice in Canada, and it seems like you do, then of course going to med school in Canada has it's advantages. Then there're people like Blizzah and I who have been thinking about making the move down to the States for a while. There are other advantages there. I won't go into all of them, but one example is that there are a lot more opportunities for academic medicine in terms of career in the US, which is something I'm looking for.

3. If you have good stats/ECs, then there really shouldn't be any reason for you to apply to more than 30 or so schools IMO. If you're not hearing for any at that point, there's probably something wrong with your application that applying to 60 schools won't fix.

Ya I see, but I meant 60 schools as in, USA MD/DO and all 13 I think? Canadian (english) schools all combined (probably 11 since a couple are useless to apply to).

I definitely want toronto/gta area so that's why im working towards making sure that happens. I definitely didnt want to be one of those carribean dudes who are either going to go unmatched for several years... (and do who knows what) or end up in rural US in the middle of nowhere.

 

[Mithril]

Yeah, but 60 schools is a huge list and is a massive waste of money depending on what your stats are. You only have a realistic shot at out-of-province schools in Canada with an 88%+ average and a 36+ MCAT. You also don't want to apply to so many schools in the US unless your grades or ECs suck and you'll have to consider how differently a DO path and an MD path will affect you and your future goals.

 

[NNNComplex]

Yeah, but 60 schools is a huge list and is a massive waste of money depending on what your stats are. You only have a realistic shot at out-of-province schools in Canada with an 88%+ average and a 36+ MCAT. You also don't want to apply to so many schools in the US unless your grades or ECs suck and you'll have to consider how differently a DO path and an MD path will affect you and your future goals.

Where exactly did you get those stats from? Not that I don't believe you but you seem to suggest that American med schools consider ECs as being less important. Is this true? Also, why 88%+? I thought American schools look only at GPA and not percent? 😕

 

[Miss Alyssa]

If you stand a chance at getting into a Canadian school then you'll get into an American MD school. If you have a good shot at getting into UofT, you do not need to apply to DO.

 

[Mithril]

Where exactly did you get those stats from? Not that I don't believe you but you seem to suggest that American med schools consider ECs as being less important. Is this true? Also, why 88%+? I thought American schools look only at GPA and not percent? 😕

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that if your grades or ECs suck, then you want to apply to many schools to cast a wide enough net so that you get at least one acceptance. If your grades and ECs don't suck, then you don't need to apply to as many schools.

As for the stats, those are stats from just UBC as an out-of-province applicant. You pretty much need similar stats if you plan to apply as out-of-province anywhere else. The stats for in-province applicants will be lower. Those stats are just for a Canadian applicant applying to Canadian out-of-province schools, not American schools.

 

[druggeek]

If you stand a chance at getting into a Canadian school then you'll get into an American MD school. If you have a good shot at getting into UofT, you do not need to apply to DO.

Well it's all about being certain, and not wasting a year of my life to reapply.
The DO is still again there just in case basically... I dont mind DO much as I probably wouldnt go into a specialty so I'd be fine for a primary care residency in Ontario + there is little prestige difference in Ontario for DOs.

 

[druggeek]

Not that I know anything about being an applicant yet but IMO, if you need to apply to 60 schools just to get one acceptance, you're doing something wrong or at least you're going about this with the wrong mindset.

Why not save yourself the time and money and focus on the schools you really want to go to and know you are competitive at (based on stats...ECs etc) and tailor your application to these schools to the best of your ability rather than dividing up your time and applying to 60 schools with a meh application?

Ya good point.. I definitely dont think I need to apply to 60 to get one acceptance 😛 but I've seen people rejected all across Ontario (some with maybe only 1-2 interviews) who have had very good stats. I've seen tons of stats with stuff like... 3.85 cGPA and rejected.. even with quite a far number of ECs and solid MCAT.
So that was why I had that approach.