Where were you when DJT was shot?

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Every generation has its "touchstone moments:" The Challenger explosion, Reagan's attempted assignation, Lennon, RFK, MLK, JFK, etc.

I was cleaning the hot tub when my daughter ran outside, iPhone in hand, and shouted, "Dad, Trump's been shot!" There's no turning back from this moment.

Historians will mark this day as the turning point in a cultural revolution in the USA and our political life. No matter where you sit on the political spectrum, today marks a coming of age for Gen Z--when one of their own almost assassinated a candidate for President.
 
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This doesn't have the feel to me of a moment that will live in infamy. It feels to me like an averted mass shooting in which a con man, who happened to get elected president some years ago, caught a bullet in the ear, while a real hero - a firefighter - was killed. This has almost no significance in my mind beyond an incremental escalation in our Incel-turned-shooter culture.

Had Trump been killed- yes, this would have been an event. Ultimately, what happened changes nothing.
 
There are two different gofundmes for the victims of the shooting. One organized by the firefighter’s friend that is around $1 million. And one organized by Trump campaign finance manager that’s around $4 million. I really hope the familes see that $4 million but I’m guessing there will be some processing fees. The shameful part is it attracts donations away from the family gofundme.
 
Agast said:
There are two different gofundmes for the victims of the shooting. One organized by the firefighter’s friend that is around $1 million. And one organized by Trump campaign finance manager that’s around $4 million. I really hope the familes see that $4 million but I’m guessing there will be some processing fees. The shameful part is it attracts donations away from the family gofundme.
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so the gofundme by Trump campaign is a fraud to steal people's donations? Any evidence of that happening now or in the past? How much will the processing fees be?
 
powermd said:
This doesn't have the feel to me of a moment that will live in infamy. It feels to me like an averted mass shooting in which a con man, who happened to get elected president some years ago, caught a bullet in the ear, while a real hero - a firefighter - was killed. This has almost no significance in my mind beyond an incremental escalation in our Incel-turned-shooter culture.

Had Trump been killed- yes, this would have been an event. Ultimately, what happened changes nothing.
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never heard an assassination attempt be called a mass shooting...but we get you have TDS. Sorry to hear that.

i was at a sports bar after a baseball tournament for my kid in Ft Myers, FL. 50 big screen tv's all with sports. They couldnt put any other channel so we were watching on our phones and i was ecstatic that he was alive noticing he(or the hand of some Angel) tilted his head at the exact time one or more of the bullets went by his head. I was smiling ear to ear even though my GF was almost crying and my phone was blowing up. I dont think it changed the election much as he was trouncing Biden anyway.
 
Doctodd said:
never heard an assassination attempt be called a mass shooting...but we get you have TDS. Sorry to hear that.

i was at a sports bar after a baseball tournament for my kid in Ft Myers, FL. 50 big screen tv's all with sports. They couldnt put any other channel so we were watching on our phones and i was ecstatic that he was alive noticing he(or the hand of some Angel) tilted his head at the exact time one or more of the bullets went by his head. I was smiling ear to ear even though my GF was almost crying and my phone was blowing up. I dont think it changed the election much as he was trouncing Biden anyway.
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hahahahahahahahahahahahaha...

"the hand of an Angel"

Thank you for showing us an example of Trump Infatuation Syndrome. Got any memes with eagles shedding a tear?
 
powermd said:
hahahahahahahahahahahahaha...

"the hand of an Angel"

Thank you for showing us an example of Trump Infatuation Syndrome. Got any memes with eagles shedding a tear?
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yup im one of those far right deplorables you read about who believes in God lol

no memes......someone else might find one for you though.

Of course i dont think an Angel moved his head. WTF is wrong with you lol …but it does seem like it was divine intervention or just great luck
 
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www.nytimes.com

Opinion | The Trump Shooter and the Growing Nihilism of Young Men

The rise of post-ideological terror.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

"The reporting that has emerged so far describes him as an outcast, not an activist. A classmate told CBS News that he was bullied relentlessly. Another told The Wall Street Journal, “People would say he was the student who would shoot up high school.” He appears to have had a passion for gun culture; he reportedly wore camouflage or hunting gear to school and wanted to join the rifle team, though he was rejected as a bad shot. He joined a local gun club, and when he was killed on Saturday, he was wearing a T-shirt for Demolition Ranch, a gun-nut YouTube channel.

Some who study terrorism and violent extremism find the shooter’s history of humiliation and obsession with firearms familiar. “We are starting to see some of the key markers we see in individuals that have committed acts of targeted violence,” said Elizabeth Neumann, who served as assistant secretary for counterterrorism and threat prevention in Trump’s Department of Homeland Security. In such people, ideology can be secondary to the desire to wreak havoc and win notoriety."
 
Doctodd said:
yup im one of those far right deplorables you read about who believes in God lol

no memes......someone else might find one for you though.

Of course i dont think an Angel moved his head. WTF is wrong with you lol …but it does seem like it was divine intervention or just great luck
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God guided that bullet straight away from Trump's head and into that other guy's face, huh...
 
powermd said:
This doesn't have the feel to me of a moment that will live in infamy. It feels to me like an averted mass shooting in which a con man, who happened to get elected president some years ago, caught a bullet in the ear, while a real hero - a firefighter - was killed. This has almost no significance in my mind beyond an incremental escalation in our Incel-turned-shooter culture.

Had Trump been killed- yes, this would have been an event. Ultimately, what happened changes nothing.
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This is a big deal, and it is “one of those” American history moments. The attempts don’t get as much notoriety as the actual assassinations.

The NYT picture of a bullet sailing past the head of an American president is historic, and frankly iconic. Quite likely one of the 10 most important/remembered pictures of the century. Nearly up there with planes hitting the towers IMHO.

And I’m not thrilled about Trump either, but between this incident and Biden’s self destruction on stage several weeks ago, Trump will be the next president. (Barring some other game changing event, which admittedly seems to be happening with more frequency than ever these days.)
 
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Time will tell, of course.

Based on the strong possibilities that:
This was mainly due to a lapse in SS diligence (all presidents have to deal with threats on their life).
The perp represented no one but himself, and was cut from the same cloth as all the other mass shooters.
The intended victim wasn't seriously injured.
The intended victim was DJT- a man who has been making veiled theats of violence since his 2016 campaign (yes, he did: Donald Trump Suggests ‘Second Amendment People’ Could Act Against Hillary Clinton (Published 2016))
Our culture is basically numb to shootings no matter how serious.

I think this event disappears in the news cycle almost as quickly as that bullet whizzing past his head.

One thing I've noticed about conservatives is they lack empathy on an issue until they have to personally confront it. Now that DJT has some personal experience with the business end of an AR15, I wouldn't be surprised if you see some action on gun control.
 
dozitgetchahi said:
This is a big deal, and it is “one of those” American history moments. The attempts don’t get as much notoriety as the actual assassinations.

The NYT picture of a bullet sailing past the head of an American president is historic, and frankly iconic. Quite likely one of the 10 most important/remembered pictures of the century. Nearly up there with planes hitting the towers IMHO.

And I’m not thrilled about Trump either, but between this incident and Biden’s self destruction on stage several weeks ago, Trump will be the next president. (Barring some other game changing event, which admittedly seems to be happening with more frequency than ever these days.)
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Neat aside: the photographer who got the bullet picture is the same guy who took a picture of the exact moment Bush was told about 9/11.
 
So why are we not talking about gun access for those who are at risk for committing these violent acts?

Granted he essentially stole the gun from his dad, but was his dad a responsible gun owner if his son could grab a gun and go shoot a presidential candidate?
 
Ducttape said:
So why are we not talking about gun access for those who are at risk for committing these violent acts?

Granted he essentially stole the gun from his dad, but was his dad a responsible gun owner if his son could grab a gun and go shoot a presidential candidate?
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www.ceasefirepa.org

Safe Storage

Firearm owners have an obligation in a civilized society to lock up a firearm so that it cannot wreak havoc in the home and community. But, more than half of gun-owners keep at least one firearm without any lock or other safe storage measure.
www.ceasefirepa.org www.ceasefirepa.org
Now we are. Total fail for the state of PA not to have laws on safe gun storage.
 
lobelsteve said:
www.ceasefirepa.org

Safe Storage

Firearm owners have an obligation in a civilized society to lock up a firearm so that it cannot wreak havoc in the home and community. But, more than half of gun-owners keep at least one firearm without any lock or other safe storage measure.
www.ceasefirepa.org www.ceasefirepa.org
Now we are. Total fail for the state of PA not to have laws on safe gun storage.
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Dude was 20, there is currently no safe-storage law on the books in any state in this country that would have applied to this situation.
 
VA Hopeful Dr said:
Dude was 20, there is currently no safe-storage law on the books in any state in this country that would have applied to this situation.
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It was his father's rifle. His father should have had no access to his rifle.
My trigger lock has a key. The key is in a safe. The safe is not near the rifle.
 
I heard this morning on a new outlet that he requested permission from his father to use the rifle, as he had done in the past, to practice at a range. Then he purchased a bunch of ammo and committed this crime.

I guess they're still looking into the explosive devices found in his vehicle.
 
DOctorJay said:
I heard this morning on a new outlet that he requested permission from his father to use the rifle, as he had done in the past, to practice at a range. Then he purchased a bunch of ammo and committed this crime.

I guess they're still looking into the explosive devices found in his vehicle.
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Where were you when the shots rang out?
 
lobelsteve said:
It was his father's rifle. His father should have had no access to his rifle.
My trigger lock has a key. The key is in a safe. The safe is not near the rifle.
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I'm not saying that the father did well (he didn't), merely that no Safe Storage laws as they are written in the US would have applied to this situation since that's specifically what you brought up.

My guns are in a safe bolted into the foundation of my house and no one knows the combination except for me.
 
VA Hopeful Dr said:
I'm not saying that the father did well (he didn't), merely that no Safe Storage laws as they are written in the US would have applied to this situation since that's specifically what you brought up.

My guns are in a safe bolted into the foundation of my house and no one knows the combination except for me.
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Here is where good laws would help. In no way would I let my son borrow my AR (age 19). He is a D1 college athlete and a Dean's list student. You want to go shoot, I am there with you. No one ever said I could borrow their pistol/shotgun/rifle. Nor would I ask.
 
lobelsteve said:
Here is where good laws would help. In no way would I let my son borrow my AR (age 19). He is a D1 college athlete and a Dean's list student. You want to go shoot, I am there with you. No one ever said I could borrow their pistol/shotgun/rifle. Nor would I ask.
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I started deer hunting when I was 15, and usually I went out with my dad but there are sometimes I'd go out by myself to hunt. And he definitely had me sight in my rifle and his on my own so he didn't have to bother. Heck, my college graduation present from my parents was a new rifle.

I've also never shot anyone nor attempted to.
 
VA Hopeful Dr said:
I started deer hunting when I was 15, and usually I went out with my dad but there are sometimes I'd go out by myself to hunt. And he definitely had me sight in my rifle and his on my own so he didn't have to bother. Heck, my college graduation present from my parents was a new rifle.

I've also never shot anyone nor attempted to.
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Got my son a Ruger 10-22 for his 10th birthday. Locked up by me still. When he graduates and if he still wants it, he can keep it as his house.
 
i dont think this kid had a great relationship with his father....i could be wrong
 
always trying to divert, eh doctodd?

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it is not for the lack of trying to get safe gun laws in Penn.
2023:
apnews.com

Gun control measures advance in Pennsylvania state House

HARRISBURG, Pa. (AP) — Democrats advanced four gun-control bills in Pennsylvania's state House of Representatives on Wednesday, after years of a virtual standstill on legislation amid a politically divided government.
apnews.com apnews.com
2024:
penncapital-star.com

Gun safety bills fail in Pa. House by razor thin margin • Pennsylvania Capital-Star

House Bills 335 and 2206 both failed by a 101-100 vote Tuesday, with state Rep. Frank Burns (D-Cambria), joining every Republican in opposition.
penncapital-star.com penncapital-star.com

this article is a little misleading (as the bill would ban AR-15s but not those already in posession):
www.levernews.com

Pennsylvania GOP Fought A Ban On The Gun Used In Trump Shooting

Months before the assassination attempt, Pennsylvania lawmakers tabled legislation to outlaw the kind of rifle allegedly used in the attack.
www.levernews.com www.levernews.com
 
Ducttape said:
always trying to divert, eh doctodd?

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it is not for the lack of trying to get safe gun laws in Penn.
2023:
apnews.com

Gun control measures advance in Pennsylvania state House

HARRISBURG, Pa. (AP) — Democrats advanced four gun-control bills in Pennsylvania's state House of Representatives on Wednesday, after years of a virtual standstill on legislation amid a politically divided government.
apnews.com apnews.com
2024:
penncapital-star.com

Gun safety bills fail in Pa. House by razor thin margin • Pennsylvania Capital-Star

House Bills 335 and 2206 both failed by a 101-100 vote Tuesday, with state Rep. Frank Burns (D-Cambria), joining every Republican in opposition.
penncapital-star.com penncapital-star.com

this article is a little misleading (as the bill would ban AR-15s but not those already in posession):
www.levernews.com

Pennsylvania GOP Fought A Ban On The Gun Used In Trump Shooting

Months before the assassination attempt, Pennsylvania lawmakers tabled legislation to outlaw the kind of rifle allegedly used in the attack.
www.levernews.com www.levernews.com
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it's my understanding that no law could have prevented this. A father could have prevented this.
 
I actually agree with Todd on this

Rage has to come from somewhere. If he really doesn’t have a manifesto, I think this is a personal issue he has with his home life. He grew up without friends, no girlfriend, prone to bullying. Maybe his parents were ongoing verbally abusive and this is his way of punishing them. The only ones who could verify that are his parents and they have no incentive to clarify their relationship.
 
specific gun locks as steve mentioned could have gone a long way. do agree that primary fault lies with the dad's laxity. but some gun laws may have reinforced the dad needing to be more careful.


i wonder if bans on AR15s might have helped in terms of the innocent victims who were injured, as he fired multiple shots in rapid succession.
 
Ducttape said:
specific gun locks as steve mentioned could have gone a long way. do agree that primary fault lies with the dad's laxity. but some gun laws may have reinforced the dad needing to be more careful.


i wonder if bans on AR15s might have helped in terms of the innocent victims who were injured, as he fired multiple shots in rapid succession.
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Sure a ban on AR’s starting in the 50’s…..or if the current SS officers would have done their job instead of worrying about DEI.

Would banning planes prevented 9-11?
 
Why aren’t we talking about the colossal failure of the secret service? I mean really, they didn’t secure a roof 130 yds away from the president. Shooter was a person of interest a whole 60 min prior to the shooting and spotted on the roof with a rifle 20 min prior.

Almost unbelievable that they would be that incompetent.
 
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Doctodd said:
Sure a ban on AR’s starting in the 50’s…..or if the current SS officers would have done their job instead of worrying about DEI.

Would banning planes prevented 9-11?
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banning people from access to cockpits that are not screened might have, and has prevented copycat events.
clubdeac said:
Why aren’t we talking about the colossal failure of the secret service? I mean really, they didn’t secure a roof 130 yds away from the president. Shooter was a person of interest a whole 60 min prior to the shooting and spotted on the roof with a rifle 20 min prior.

Almost unbelievable that they would be that incompetent.
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yes this is of grave concern.
 
clubdeac said:
Why aren’t we talking about the colossal failure of the secret service? I mean really, they didn’t secure a roof 130 yds away from the president. Shooter was a person of interest a whole 60 min prior to the shooting and spotted on the roof with a rifle 20 min prior.

Almost unbelievable that they would be that incompetent.
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she cant really be held directly accountable for that day's ground screw up, can she? I read she was picked due to loyalty to Jill Biden. She CAN be held accountable for all the dei philosophy she was trying to instill into the dept.
 
Hi Steve,

I’m a pain doctor in North Dakota. I noticed one time you had posted about using EpiFix for implant patients. I was wondering how you apply this, if you favor the newer AmnioFix product, and what indications you use it for. Do you feel like it helps with wound healing in someone at risk of wound infection? Do you just put the cut outs under and on top of the IPG and or anchor site?

Thanks for considering my drive by question lol.

Ro
 
painisfear said:
Hi Steve,

I’m a pain doctor in North Dakota. I noticed one time you had posted about using EpiFix for implant patients. I was wondering how you apply this, if you favor the newer AmnioFix product, and what indications you use it for. Do you feel like it helps with wound healing in someone at risk of wound infection? Do you just put the cut outs under and on top of the IPG and or anchor site?

Thanks for considering my drive by question lol.

Ro
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I use it as a skin graft substittute to augment tissue healing in high risk patients: age >75, comorbid DM, RA, CA.
Just drop it in middle layer of wounds. Amniofix was better as a powder that could be rubbed in, but off the shelves since over a year ago.
 
I was at ASPN 2024. Left the conference discussions and shenanigans for the day, went upstairs to my room, saw Tim Deer on my way up, was relaxing for a bit talking to a colleague before getting ready to go out to a sponsored dinner learning about stim. Immediately shocked when I saw my phone blow up.
 
DrSpine said:
I was at ASPN 2024. Left the conference discussions and shenanigans for the day, went upstairs to my room, saw Tim Deer on my way up, was relaxing for a bit talking to a colleague before getting ready to go out to a sponsored dinner learning about stim. Immediately shocked when I saw my phone blow up.
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are you going to tell us why it blew up?
 
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