Which DO school is the most prestigious?

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And how come?

Just curious.

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Ive heard NYCOM b/c its utilizing the whole metropolitan area giving its students the most diversified teaching medium. However, as a pre-osteopathic student I dont think of these schools in terms of prestige. The bottom line is I would rather go where I think I would have the highest leval pf piece of mind. (for me thats UNE) But if you want to know what i have heard as the consensus for prestige, Ive heard PCOM and NYCOM most frequently from DOs themselves and other students.
 
silly question-- the only reason i use silly is because stupid sounds to strong
 
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Strictly based on my definition of prestige...the most prestigous DO schools, not necessarily the best, are CCOM, PCOM, KCOM, and TCOM. I think the best DO school is AZCOM. Sure, that's partially b/c I will be attending AZCOM....but I really do think it is the best school for ME.
 
I think if you ask around you will find that there are 19 different answers to this, with 19 different reasons <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" />
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by jhug:
•silly question-- the only reason i use silly is because stupid sounds to strong•••••jhug-
:p STUPID, stu-pid...see "not knowing that the word TOO is a modifier, not TO."
The only stupid or silly question is the one not asked...or asked in a drunken state. :cool:

I agree that there is a good bit of bias out there regarding which DO school is the best. I think that each school presents different strengths...i.e. matching residencies, instruction, environment, students, etc....so that may be a hard one to answer. Have you visited any yet? I went to three and I found a big difference as to what I was looking for. The best way to find out your answer is to ask M3s or M4s and ask their honest opinions of their OWN school. Then compare them yourself to see which one meets your needs.
 
Geez, a little prickly today, are we?

Were I to ask the same question in the pre-allopathic forum, I doubt it would be branded a "stupid" question. Rather, I'd probably get the usual responses--Harvard, Stanford, WashU, etc.

So why is it different in the pre-osteopathic forum? I'm not saying that prestige is an indication of a school's quality, or something to be considered when choosing your medical school. I just want to know, in terms of objective reputation in the public arena, which osteopathic school is (how to put this?) the Harvard of the DO world? Why is this such an awful question? I'm not judging anything. I just want to know!
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by Hedwig:
• I just want to know, in terms of objective reputation in the public arena, which osteopathic school is (how to put this?) the Harvard of the DO world? Why is this such an awful question? I'm not judging anything. I just want to know!•••••I did quite a bit of research into all the schools and I agree that each has strengths and weaknesses and a person should go to the one where the weak points won't interfere with the students ability to succeed.
That said, the only school that I saw mentioned a few times as the 'Harvard of the DO world' is KCOM. I have seen this phrase in forums, an article on a website, and heard it from DOs that went to other schools.
However, that doesn't mean that it is the best school and is certainly not the best fit for all people. The term is partially because it is simply the first and has that 'old-time' prestige that Harvard has garnered. Although, like Harvard, it appears to me that KCOM tries really hard to live up to expectations in many different arenas.
So, take that for what its worth. :)
Btw, I am not a med student, just married to one and I was really pushing for him to go to two other schools....so I have not always been biased towards KCOM though I am a tiny bit biased now. :)
With smiles,
Wifty
 
I didn't even go to Kirksville (went to another DO program)...but Kirksville certainly has the TRADITION and RECOGNITION of the top Osteopathic Medical School.
PCOM, has a great rep.
MSU has research facilities and the benefit of a KNOWN name.
UMDNJ...same deal.
UHS, great facilities, generic name.
CCOM, with all the great med schools in chicago, CCOM stands in the shadows.

BOTTOM LINE: All the schools are doing great and are getting better each year. Osteopathic Medicine is really growing by leaps and bounds!
 
This question has no right answer, at present. Many of the osteopathic schools are young and as a result, just starting to obtain and maintain a reputation.

FWIW, my opinion would include MSU, PCOM and NYCOM as top 3. Also, the AOA just said NYCOM is "poised to be the best Osteopathic school in the country". They got like 5 commendations or something in their fall review, more than any other school has ever gotten from what I hear. Their clinical rotations are really unparalled for the most part... for choice, quality, and quantity.

In the end, this argument is useless except in this forum. We all graduate with the same degree. One can even argue that if you go to a "lesser" school and graduate at the top of your class rather than attend a "tougher" school and graduate in the middle, you'll obtain the better residency with the better grades and rank obtained at the "lesser school". The "Big fish in small pond theory". Moral of the story, it's up to you, not your school, to create a good doctor out of yourself.
 
The answer is: whichever school accepts ME and I attend :wink:
 
KCOM is the "Harvard of the DO schools"...

I had a classmate that said that during orientation. I nearly died laughing. I think this statement would be an insult to harvard. KCOM isn't all that.

Harvard is the KCOM of all MD schools. how does that sound? <img border="0" alt="[Pity]" title="" src="graemlins/pity.gif" />
 
Hi All! I'm new at SDN.

Just wanted to put my two-cents in and say that there isn't such a large gap between best and the worst DO school's as there is with allopathic schools. That being said I do agree that there is definitely differences between the osteopathic schools. My somewhat biased opinion is that PCOM is the best but KCOM is probably great also.
 
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i think that any school without the common decency to let applying students know they are accepted until the phone call asking why they haven't sent in their depsit should not be in the top 3!!! (pcom)
 
I'll graduate from KCOM in a couple of months. Here's what I think. It does not matter where you go to school, and quite honestly, it does not matter what you know (as long as you pass). In the D.O. world what really matters is who you know. So, in terms of deciding which school you want to attend (if you are lucky enough to choose) then go to the school where the surrounding environment fits you. If you go to KCOM you are in rural missouri with nothing even remotely resembling city life for 100 miles. No matter where you go, you will study your ass off. I say for those few seconds of freedom that you force yourself to take, you take them in a city where you can do more than get drunk or go cow tipping. Currently I am finishing up rotations in Michigan and I must say that the MSU students seem to have the happiest memories of years 1 & 2 of all the students I have come across.
 
Hey All,
I am new at SDN, but I have to say that I think the best DO school is the one that fits you the best. I had interviews at 5 different schools, but OSU-COM was so outstanding I decided to decline the rest. The staff was awsome, it is cheap for in-state res., and it is also ranked 37th in primary care out of 144 med schools (DO and MD). It also ranks 16 rural med and 23 in family med. :clap:
 
I'm replying to this post, but not to answer the question as it was asked. I think NYCOM had the best match list this year. All the NYCOM grads at our school brag about NYCOM, and maybe they're right.

As someone who has gone through the match and secured a competitive match, I think location plays a key part for osteopathic schools. In NorCal, the programs there are familiar with TUCOM and this makes matching easier. However, if you asked programs directors to give the full name of three osteopathic schools, I doubt many could. I don't think DO students are separated by PDs the way allopathic students are (i.e. Harvard vs. Howard). The only time this may happen is if the DO school is nearby a program. I think what ultimately results in a successful match is performance on clinical rotations, USMLE, and quality of your letters of rec. As a DO, your USMLE scores will distinguish you more than your school.
 
ER you compared Harvard to Howard to make a point about PD caring about where you went to school. That where you goto osteo doesn;t count as much as it does in allo schools. Why did you pick Howard? What you think its a bad allo school. You Punk; at least its an allopathic school and people have heard of it. And I think their students match well. I am gonna go there. It's a much better school than the one you went to. Stupid comparison you Jerk!
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by medicine2006:
•ER you compared Harvard to Howard to make a point about PD caring about where you went to school. That where you goto osteo doesn;t count as much as it does in allo schools. Why did you pick Howard? What you think its a bad allo school. You Punk; at least its an allopathic school and people have heard of it. And I think their students match well. I am gonna go there. It's a much better school than the one you went to. Stupid comparison you Jerk!•••••Medicine2006, I never said Howard was a bad school, you did. To assume that PDs do not view Howard grads vs. Harvard grads in a different light is just not true. My point was that Allopathic PDs do not know the differences between DO schools (other than you are a DO student), but they do know the differences between allopathic ones. Therefore, prospective DO students should not use that as a major criteria for their decisions. I think it's fair to say that most PDs, all things being equal and even unequal sometimes, would favor the Harvard grad. Sorry, but this is the truth and as a pre-med, you probably don't know that. Yes, people have heard of Howard -- even in CA -- but what have they heard? I'm sorry if you took offense to my comparison, it wasn't meant to say that Howard was a bad school. That's not what I think at all.
 
I do not know about prestige, but it would be interesting to compare board pass rates as well as average scoring in an attempt to quantify the top schools. However, I think the results would be minimally different. Who knows, one or two may stand out. Perhaps there is someone out there with a lot of time on there hands or maybe the info has already been compiled?
 
ER, you make a nice logical posting and I agree 100%. As I appraoch graduation from a D.O. school, I realize that the title doesn't really matter. It is about how I approach and treat my patients that really matters. Whether you graduate from Harvard, PCOM, or even lowly old Howard just practice good medicine! Upon being operated upon, I did not ask the neurosurgeon where he went to school, but I did ask other doctors and patients what they thought of him......
 
Medicine2006,
I don't think ER was doing any harm or putting down Howard. It was just a reasonable comparism. Howard is a great school; I applied there as well. Don't be so upset, to the extent of calling him a jerk. Another thing just because Howard is an allopathic school doesn't mean they are better than Osteopathic schools. Bro, I was accepted at Howard and also at a DO school, but I chose the DO school over Howard. Not because Howard is a bad school, but cos IMAO, the DO school would be better for me than Howard. Please don't be calling people names or start dissing people because of the comparism they make. It's their personal opinion.
Also don't be narrow-minded, just because some med school is an allopathic school, doesn't imply they are better than all Osteopathic schools. Go look at the US News (graduate school rankings) and you will find out that certain Osteopathic schools are highly ranked than a lot of allopathic schools.
 
Dr. Maxy,

I must be dense or something but I can never seem to find the Osteopathic Medical School rankings on US News and World Report. Can you help?

Thanks,

Careofme
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by Careofme:
•Dr. Maxy,

I must be dense or something but I can never seem to find the Osteopathic Medical School rankings on US News and World Report. Can you help?

Thanks,

Careofme•••••Careofme,

They don't have any ranked in the Research Rankings. There are a few that pop up in Primary Care Ranks though. They are:

35. MSU COM
39. TX COM
47. OSU COM
 
After attending 6 DO medical school interviews each one would compare their students against KCOM's. This does not mean that KCOM is the best school, but it is the standard to which students are compared against. To quote some interviewers; a PhD interviewer said "our students scored better than the students at KCOM on their boards" and a clinical DO said "our students do better in their clinicals and residencies than Kirksville's". Of course they are biased but it does say something about KCOM if the 18 DO schools compare their grads to this one school. As far as attending KCOM is not for everyone and many factors other than academics go into what makes a school great.
My 2 cents
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by Careofme:
•Dr. Maxy,

I must be dense or something but I can never seem to find the Osteopathic Medical School rankings on US News and World Report. Can you help?

Thanks,

Careofme•••••Please do not simply base your choice of schools on the ranking of a mere magazine. I mean, where inthe purpose or title of a news rag is an implied or real extpertise in the rankings of medical schools? Last time I perused their "rankings" (please correct me if this has changed)school rank was largely assigned based upont he %-age of graduates that match into "primary care" specialties.

There is far more that goes into judging the level of quality of a school than how many primary care practitioners it can churn out. Not to metion the fact that US News includes everyone entering a Peds, IM, FP, OB/Gyn...as primary care docs-to-be. There is no mention that to subspecialize in virtually all adult or pediatric disciplines (cardiology, interventional cardio, peds ICU, peds cardio...) that a doc must first do a Peds or IM residency -- this means there is inherent error in saying all of these folks are headed to primary care.

In my humble opinion, the most critical element in your success as a medical student and, hopefully, as a physician is how well you, as a person, fit into the school -- its students, faculty & staff. If you get into a top 20 school and hate the entire process -- are you still successful? Or, might you have been better off in a different school, selected because you loved the environment/school/people, and received an equal or even better education, since you were happier?

Yes, in some instances, having that top 20 name on your wall is a major advantage. If your passion is research or to enter an exquisitely competitive field, then it might be worth the effort you expend. But, if you're planning on entering general practice or focusing on clinical medicine like the rest of us...then there is only questionable benefit to the high-powered name. Remember that even in the most competitive of fields...there are many many practitioners who did not come from the top 20 schools. Also, if you're not happy, it is unlikely that you will perform to your best capability for 4 years...thereby lessening your chances at that highly competitive slot.

My $0.02 worth on the topic!
 
OldManDave:

Kudos! Thank you for your informative and enlightening reply. Yes, I totally agree with you that I should not base the schools on a news magazine ranking and that it is best for me to find a place where I "fit in best." However, I AM interested in a competitive field and I do like to do research (I have been doing so for the past 3 years both academic and biotech).

Frankly, my problem is trying to guage if one school has better luck with residency placement than another. In no way am I basing my decision totally on this fact but it is a major concern for the reasons I outlined above. I understand that it is "what I make of it," but let's not fool ourselves - there are some schools that are better than others in this regard (KCOM, last time I checked was considered a "standard").

I am in no way basing my decision on US News and World Report rankings, however, with so much misinformation being spread it is difficult to find a objective way to determine which school I do fit into best based on my preferences (perhaps, this objectivity that I am looking for is not even possible to find!).

Careofme
 
Careofme,
If you like to do research, then perhaps DO schools are not for you, and you should consider Hopkins, Duke or WashU instead. I'm not going into DO, but from the very limited knowledge I know about DO schools, they are not research-intensive.
 
Cong,

I realize that...I am in a bit of a quandry since I agree with the osteopathic principles yet I still enjoy and would like to do research. As I understand it, there are some DO schools that are more research-intensive than others (or are trying to be) and these will be the school which I will actively seek to get into.

Careofme
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by Careofme:
•Cong,

I realize that...I am in a bit of a quandry since I agree with the osteopathic principles yet I still enjoy and would like to do research. As I understand it, there are some DO schools that are more research-intensive than others (or are trying to be) and these will be the school which I will actively seek to get into.

Careofme•••••Careofme,

Michigan State COM has what they refer to as a MSTP program. I think it it patterned after MD MST programs but I am not sure abouting the NIH funding issues at MSU COM.
 
Detroit Mick:

Doh! MSU COM - one of the only two schools that I didnt apply to!

Yah, they do have a good research program there. Oh well...I suppose there are lots of opportunities during the summer months.

Careofme
 
Careofme,
Several DO programs are getting more involved with research. I'm sure most of the state supported programs have research opportunities. I will be attending AZCOM in the fall and have checked out the research opportunities there. They also have a D.O./PhD. program, as well as research electives. Several basic science professors take on students to do research. They are doing some pretty impressive stuff in regards to the pathology and pathophys of Alzheimer's. I believe they have a NIH grant for the research. Research opportunities are available at several schools. UHS is building a new research facility on campus as well.-Jason
 
Michigan, Texas, Pennsylvania, Ohio, and others all have DO/PhD programs that are MSTP funded. MSTP is just a funding mechanism available through NIH for dual doctorate students including MD/DO/DDS/DPM/DC/ND/DVM/OD/etc. Texas is also home to the national Osteopathic Research Center (ORC) and has a special NIH-funded K-30 masters program for students interested in OMT research...I know because I participated in it!
 
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