Which School Would you Go to (rank)? - if you want a competitive residency

[panoramaelegant]

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If you had the choice, where would you go and how would you rank this, if you want to keep your options open for a competitive residency

Creighton
Brown
Case Western
U Wisconsin
Virgina Commonwealth
cleveland
UCI
U Iowa
U kansas
medical college of wisconsin

 

[BMW M3]

If you had the choice, where would you go and how would you rank this, if you want to keep your options open for a competitive residency

Creighton
Brown
Case Western
U Wisconsin
Virgina Commonwealth
cleveland
UCI
U Iowa
U kansas
medical college of wisconsin

Cleveland Clinical ... only cause NYU isn't on your list

 

[Art]

Rather than ask a bunch of pre-meds, why not look at the residency director's assessment score on US News? Not the overall score, just the residency director's score.

Based on this the schools may be grouped

Score 3.8
Case Western
U Wisc
U Iowa

Score 3.6
Brown

Score 3.4
MC Wisconsin

Score 3.3 Virginia Commonwealth

The others are not ranked.

 

[Law2Doc]

Rather than ask a bunch of pre-meds, why not look at the residency director's assessment score on US News? Not the overall score, just the residency director's score.

Based on this the schools may be grouped

Score 3.8
Case Western
U Wisc
U Iowa

Score 3.6
Brown

Score 3.4
MC Wisconsin

Score 3.3 Virginia Commonwealth

The others are not ranked.

That's helpful, but bear in mind that lumping all residency directors together across specialties perhaps doesn't necessarilly give you a good feel for whether one school is more highly regarded for a particular track. (i.e. if you want to go into rads, who cares if a residency director in IM likes, say, Case). But the bottom line is that your individual performance is going to outweigh all of this. Good clinical grades, recs and high board scores from the worst of these is going to land you a better residency than lower stats from the best. No ifs ands or buts. If you get into any one of these med schools and do amazingly, you'll get to where you want to be. If you get into any one of these med schools and flounder, you will end up with a less competitive choice, but a residency someplace nonetheless.

 

[panoramaelegant]

Thank you so much everyone for excellent advise. Would anyone happen to know where i can find the individual rankings for residency specialties by the residency directors? Also, if i haven't gone to the brown and creighton interviews yet, should i bother?

 

[DropkickMurphy]

Creighton- Yes
Brown- No
Case Western- Yes
U Wisconsin- Yes
Virgina Commonwealth- Yes
cleveland- Yes
UCI- No
U Iowa- Yes
U kansas- Yes
medical college of wisconsin- No

Of course this is based on where I would like to live for four years, and not upon some misguided belief based upon the medical school equivalent of cryptic Quija Board messages about what residency directors want.

 

[SailCrazy]

I definitely agree with Law2Doc. Choose the school that you feel is the best fit for you, where you'll be happy and do you best. You couldn't have had the same positive feelings about the students, curriculum, and/or location at all of those schools. Maybe you could narrow down your list on that basis and then choose the "highest ranked" if that is important to you.

But the bottom line is that your individual performance is going to outweigh all of this. Good clinical grades, recs and high board scores from the worst of these is going to land you a better residency than lower stats from the best. No ifs ands or buts. If you get into any one of these med schools and do amazingly, you'll get to where you want to be. If you get into any one of these med schools and flounder, you will end up with a less competitive choice, but a residency someplace nonetheless.

 

[Law2Doc]

Would anyone happen to know where i can find the individual rankings for residency specialties by the residency directors?

As far as I know such does not exist. I wouldn't focus on this kind of factor in selecting a med school.

 

[eyeful]

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[golftrippy]

If you had the choice, where would you go and how would you rank this, if you want to keep your options open for a competitive residency

Creighton
Brown
Case Western
U Wisconsin
Virgina Commonwealth
cleveland
UCI
U Iowa
U kansas
medical college of wisconsin

Case=Cleveland=Brown

All three will get you the most competitive residencies...just check out their matchlists....

 

[golftrippy]

Thank you so much everyone for excellent advise. Would anyone happen to know where i can find the individual rankings for residency specialties by the residency directors? Also, if i haven't gone to the brown and creighton interviews yet, should i bother?

I'm biased obviously, but go to Brown interview, I think you'll love it, everybody I've talked to has. Also incredibly underrated school because of their small class and strange admission routes...and those have definately hurt their US News ranking...their match list competes with every school out there....

http://bms.brown.edu/students/match/

I know other schools are great too...I'm just defending Brown because a) I'm probably going, and b)I was honestly blown away by the school and the fact that they are so underrated...I really consider them much better than the #40 school in the nation

 

[gujuDoc]

AGREED WITH LAW2DOC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You guys put soooooooooo much stock into rankings, but that is not the most important thing in deciding where to spend the next 4 years of your life. Doing well wherever you go and being happy is the most important things, because if you make a choice based on rankings alone and are not happy there it will affect your ability to perform well.

Please refer to the post I just posted to Aragona in the USC vs. Emory thread. In particular the last post I posted in there.

 

[Scrub MD]

Rather than ask a bunch of pre-meds, why not look at the residency director's assessment score on US News? Not the overall score, just the residency director's score.

Based on this the schools may be grouped

Score 3.8
Case Western
U Wisc
U Iowa

Score 3.6
Brown

Score 3.4
MC Wisconsin

Score 3.3 Virginia Commonwealth

The others are not ranked.

Where is that at on US News? I couldn't find it online.

 

[TheMightyAngus]

Case/clinic, iowa, and brown are your best bets.

nyu.. its good. but not great. you'd have a better shot at a competitive specialty from any of the above three than nyu

I would add UWisc to this list. You should go there if you're in-state.

 

[orthoapp]

Any of the schools you list will give you the oppurtunity to land a competitive residency. The ability to match successfully is much much more dependent on the individual's performance and desires than on the school. Keeping that in mind, if you are wondering which of the schools has the best reputation among the medical community then the answer is Case Western, Cleveland Clinic, U of Iowa and Brown, in no particular order.

 

[panoramaelegant]

i'm curious why many of you have said iowa, but U Wisconsin isn't as popular? Is U Iowa better than U Wisconsin?

 

[DropkickMurphy]

I'd go to either Iowa or Wisconsin. I would not go to Medical College of Wisconsin though.

 

[thegenius]

If you had the choice, where would you go and how would you rank this, if you want to keep your options open for a competitive residency

Creighton
Brown
Case Western
U Wisconsin
Virgina Commonwealth
cleveland
UCI
U Iowa
U kansas
medical college of wisconsin

Harvard
UCI
Wayne State
U Iowa
Stanford
John Hopkins
U Wisconsin
St. Peter in the Caribbean
Cleveland Western Univ.
Columbia
Temple

Hopw this helps.

 

[panoramaelegant]

Harvard
UCI
Wayne State
U Iowa
Stanford
John Hopkins
U Wisconsin
St. Peter in the Caribbean
Cleveland Western Univ.
Columbia
Temple

Hopw this helps.

uuuum, no!

 

[Zoom-Zoom]

go to Madison. 👍

 

[Brainsucker]

I almost went to the Cleveland Clinic. It's really in a class of its own. I don't mean that it's better or worse than the others, just that it's different. 5 years with the summer before 1st year and the summer after of research makes it so. They're new, but a couple classes will have graduated by the time you do. CCF is loaded, so the facilities are awesome. You also have the small class and all PBL, so you should consider it differently than other schools. To tell the truth, I picked my school largely because I want to match well in neurosurgery. Sometimes I regret not giving CCLCM a chance. If you want an academic career, put it high on your list. Your 1 year research project and the personal recommendations you get will serve you well. (Not that you can't take a year elsewhere) Of the others, Case is in the 13 school consortium, which puts it in good company. I can't say I liked it much, though.

 

[panoramaelegant]

Is it true that CCLCM is not even ranked? or is it part of Case's ranking? Is it true what I heard that the program is not even accredited? how does that affect us?.... also, when you guys went to the CCLCM interview (if you did) did you discuss specifics in terms of what research you'd like to pursue and with who?

THANK YOU TO ALL THOSE WHO CONTRIBUTED THEIR OPINION 👍

 

[dajimmers]

Is it true that CCLCM is not even ranked? or is it part of Case's ranking? Is it true what I heard that the program is not even accredited? how does that affect us?.... also, when you guys went to the CCLCM interview (if you did) did you discuss specifics in terms of what research you'd like to pursue and with who?

THANK YOU TO ALL THOSE WHO CONTRIBUTED THEIR OPINION 👍

It's hard to be ranked when you haven't graduated a class, or even had rotations yet (USNews uses Residency Director's scores for part of the ranking, for example). It's not that it isn't ranked, but that it can't be, yet. Not sure if USNews included CCLCM students in the avg. GPA/MCAT of Case's ranking, but I'm betting not.

Interviews are with both researchers (typically PhD) and physicians. One asks more research-oriented questions, the other more clinical. I talked about my specific research that I've done, and then gave generalizations of what I want to do (try clinical as I haven't done it yet, but right now interested in "translational") followed by a specific example of what I could see myself doing (cancer immunotherapy research).

 

[pseudoknot]

But the bottom line is that your individual performance is going to outweigh all of this. Good clinical grades, recs and high board scores from the worst of these is going to land you a better residency than lower stats from the best. No ifs ands or buts. If you get into any one of these med schools and do amazingly, you'll get to where you want to be. If you get into any one of these med schools and flounder, you will end up with a less competitive choice, but a residency someplace nonetheless.

This doesn't happen everyday, but I agree 100% with Law2Doc. It's too bad so many premeds are obsessed with prestige and think that if they can get into a school with enough name recognition they'll have it made.

 

[45408]

I'd go to either Iowa or Wisconsin. I would not go to Medical College of Wisconsin though.

and I'm the reverse. the hospital at UW is cramped and confusing relative to most of the Milwaukee hospitals.

 

[BigRedZippo]

All of them are excellent schools. Iowa has a number of excellent surgical and surgical subspecialty departments which will help if you are inclined that way. The bigger questions is (as others have said): could you live in Iowa/Rhode Island/Wisconsin/etc for 4 years? If you're a surfer, go to UCI. If you love the Browns, go to Cleve. Frankly, doing well at any of them will get you further than the name of any of the others alone. Good luck!

 

[Law2Doc]

This doesn't happen everyday, but I agree 100% with Law2Doc.

Welcome to the dark side.