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Hey,

I have a brief question. My professors are MD's/DO's, MD/PHD's and some of PHD's. My father-in-law is a German citizen who is a gastroenterologist. He's been running a gastro center for years doing tons of endoscopies and everything that comes with gastro :laugh:. He and his American wife are thinking about "returning" to the US after 20 years but he does not have a US physician's license, only his German "Dr. med., = doctor medicinæ." Obviously he would receive green card and citizenship instantly.

Obtaining an MD license here would require him to do residency all over again and then a fellowship in gastro. This is not an option for him because he wouldn't want to become an assistant after excelling in his field for 30 years. He is thinking about teaching instead. He has taught classes before. Just wondering if anyone has some advice if he has reasonable chances of being able to teach in the US with his english being very good (better than some IMG's who teach at my school) but not having an American MD degree.
 

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Going out on a limb here... but he may have difficulty finding research funding without an MD/DO/PhD. And if he can't get research grants, then being a full-time professor would be impossible. Part-time maybe? He could definitely teach at a community college, but sounds like he wants to teach at med school.
 

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Going out on a limb here... but he may have difficulty finding research funding without an MD/DO/PhD. And if he can't get research grants, then being a full-time professor would be impossible. Part-time maybe? He could definitely teach at a community college, but sounds like he wants to teach at med school.

I'm not so sure about that. Clinical research would probably be out of the question, but he could still do bench research along with teaching medical students. A German medical degree would be considered an MD here for the purposes of grant funding. Alternatively, there might be a lecturer position that wouldn't necessarily require research.
 
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I've noticed that alot of med schools have foreign MDs that teach the anatomy courses. My anatomy course director was a surgeon in the Philippines and he has been here teaching for many years (along with many US-grad PhDs). My friend's anatomy professor at another school was an MD from China. Many of them come here and don't want to go through licencing again so they end up teaching. I'm not sure what else they could do, but foreign physicians can definitely do something.
 

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Hey,

I have a brief question. My professors are MD's/DO's, MD/PHD's and some of PHD's. My father-in-law is a German citizen who is a gastroenterologist. He's been running a gastro center for years doing tons of endoscopies and everything that comes with gastro :laugh:. He and his American wife are thinking about "returning" to the US after 20 years but he does not have a US physician's license, only his German "Dr. med., = doctor medicinæ." Obviously he would receive green card and citizenship instantly.

Obtaining an MD license here would require him to do residency all over again and then a fellowship in gastro. This is not an option for him because he wouldn't want to become an assistant after excelling in his field for 30 years. He is thinking about teaching instead. He has taught classes before. Just wondering if anyone has some advice if he has reasonable chances of being able to teach in the US with his english being very good (better than some IMG's who teach at my school) but not having an American MD degree.

i think there's a backdoor way to practice here without having to do residency and fellowship again. we have a neurosurgeon who did his residency in austria and is practicing here without having done a residency. we also have residents here that have received 1-2 years of residency credits because they have completed a residency in their home countries. ask your hospital if there's a way to do that because i think these exceptions are institution specific.

i know there are clinical fellowships here for people that have done residencies abroad that allow them to sit for USMLE and get licensed. we have a neuroradiologist that did residency in his country and then did a 1 year fellowship here and now practicing.
 
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i think there's a backdoor way to practice here without having to do residency and fellowship again. we have a neurosurgeon who did his residency in austria and is practicing here without having done a residency. we also have residents here that have received 1-2 years of residency credits because they have completed a residency in their home countries. ask your hospital if there's a way to do that because i think these exceptions are institution specific.

i know there are clinical fellowships here for people that have done residencies abroad that allow them to sit for USMLE and get licensed. we have a neuroradiologist that did residency in his country and then did a 1 year fellowship here and now practicing.

Would you mind PM'ing me the hospital you work at? Might be a good starting point if they have special accommodations for distinguished IMG's.
 

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I'm not so sure about that. Clinical research would probably be out of the question, but he could still do bench research along with teaching medical students. A German medical degree would be considered an MD here for the purposes of grant funding. Alternatively, there might be a lecturer position that wouldn't necessarily require research.

Plenty of MD / Mudphuds with foreign degrees (and no residency) at the local research institution are doing bench research.

If they could associate with local MD's they could also participate in clinical research, although they won't be doing the medical part of it.

It sounds like your person is trying to do medical work in the US. That I know nothing about, sorry, but the above person looks like they have a clue.
 

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i'm feeling exceptionally generous and bored so I did the google search for you (just got home, after 12 hours worth of scutwork, i don't know why i do this, i'm pathetic).

http://gi.org/research-and-awards/international-gi-training-grant-award/
International GI Training Grant Award

2012 International GI Training Grant Award

Click here to download the 2012 International GI Training Grant Application
Description

International GI Training (IGT) Grants provide partial financial support to physicians outside of the United States and Canada to receive clinical or clinical research training or education in Gastroenterology and Hepatology in selected medical training centers in North America. Grants are to be used for travel to and from the training center and to the ACG Annual Meeting as well as for incidental expenses related to the grant.
Eligibility

Physicians who are not citizens of nor are residing in the United States or Canada and who are working in gastroenterology or related areas are eligible to apply together with his/her training institution.

Sometimes people that end up doing this type of training ends up staying as faculty depending on how productive they are. Usually the hospital will petition them for a "physician in training" license similar to what the residents and fellows get (usually the fellow would have at least completed their USMLE Steps + ECFMG to qualify) so that they can do actual clinical work.

An example is the guy below who did a 1 yr international GI fellowship at Mayo Clinic and Toronto without having done a residency here in the US or Canada and now practicing gastroenterology and a faculty at a medical school here in the US; he has an ECFMG certificate, however:

Andres Duarte Rojo, MD
Liver Specialist Duarte-Rojo Joins UAMS


LITTLE ROCK – Andres Duarte-Rojo, M.D., a clinical hepatologist, is now seeing patients in the UAMS Outpatient Clinic.

Duarte-Rojo is working closely with UAMS' liver transplant program and this year will begin treating liver transplant patients pre- and postoperatively. He most recently was at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minn., where he was an instructor of medicine and completed a fellowship in transplant hepatology.

He earned his medical degree from Escuela de Medicina Ignacio A. Santos – Instituto Tecnológico y de Estudios Superiores de Monterrey (ITESM), Monterrey, México. He completed his residency in internal medicine at Instituto Nacional de Ciencias Médicas y Nutrición Salvador Zubirán, México DF, México.

Duarte-Rojo also completed a fellowship in gastroenterology and earned a Master of Science in Medical Sciences at the Universidad Nacional Autonoma de Mexico.

UAMS is the state's only comprehensive academic health center, with colleges of Medicine, Nursing, Pharmacy, Health Related Professions and Public Health; a graduate school; a hospital; a statewide network of regional centers; and seven institutes: the Winthrop P. Rockefeller Cancer Institute, the Jackson T. Stephens Spine & Neurosciences Institute, the Myeloma Institute for Research and Therapy, the Harvey & Bernice Jones Eye Institute, the Psychiatric Research Institute, the Donald W. Reynolds Institute on Aging and the Translational Research Institute. Named best Little Rock metropolitan area hospital by U.S. News & World Report, it is the only adult Level 1 trauma center in the state. UAMS has more than 2,800 students and 775 medical residents. It is the state's largest public employer with more than 10,000 employees, including about 1,000 physicians and other professionals who provide care to patients at UAMS, Arkansas Children's Hospital, the VA Medical Center and UAMS' Area Health Education Centers throughout the state. Visit www.uams.edu or www.uamshealth.com.​
 
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