Whoa, wait a second. Baylor Medical School avg MCAT?

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According to the Baylor Medical School in Houston, Texas web site Here the average MCAT score is 11.08.

I was under the impression that Baylor was an excellent medical school, do they accept anybody or is this a mistake? Anyone on this board attend Baylor Medical School and have anything to say about it?
 

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that's pretty much right. along with Wash U... they're pretty ridiculous averages.
 

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RDickerson said:
According to the Baylor Medical School in Houston, Texas web site Here the average MCAT score is 11.08.

I was under the impression that Baylor was an excellent medical school, do they accept anybody or is this a mistake? Anyone on this board attend Baylor Medical School and have anything to say about it?
11.08 times three sections = avg. mcat score of 33.24.
 
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Well, now it all makes sense :) Thanks.

Darn pre-meds not getting all their facts straight :laugh:
 

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virilep said:
that's pretty much right. along with Wash U... they're pretty ridiculous averages.
I think Wash Us averages is closer to 12, which gives average MCAT of around 36! They had the highest average MCAT the past few years. Man, everyone there must be super smart...or really good standardized test-takers.
 

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I think Wash Us averages is closer to 12, which gives average MCAT of around 36! They had the highest average MCAT the past few years. Man, everyone there must be super smart...or really good standardized test-takers.
Same is (roughly) true of Columbia. Eeks.
 
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Well, now it all makes sense :) Thanks.

Darn pre-meds not getting all their facts straight :laugh:
Makes sense, though, right? An average score of 33, vs. 11.
 

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WashU puts ridiculous stock in MCAT scores, their average was right above 12 last year...the only school to actually break 36.
 

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Why is this a mistake?? 11.08 is pretty damn high

I weep. I weep for anyone who has to take treatment from you until you learn math... (or units)
 

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RDickerson said:
According to the Baylor Medical School in Houston, Texas web site Here the average MCAT score is 11.08.

I was under the impression that Baylor was an excellent medical school, do they accept anybody or is this a mistake? Anyone on this board attend Baylor Medical School and have anything to say about it?
Units! Units, damn you! 11.08 / section!

Ignore me, as a stats dude, I'm just frightened at the silly mistake.
 

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LOL!!! I remember wondering the same thing about the MCAT scores listed at some schools not so long ago. :laugh: The only reason I can think of for listing like that is to help people understand that they look at each section score for balance and not just the total so that every 30 is not equal.
 

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baylor had many special programs where if you get a 25 you're in. i know come people that are in it. and they have bunch of those programs with quite a few tx schools.

so if you are a regular applicant you are gonna have to do better than 11.
 

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baylor had many special programs where if you get a 25 you're in. i know come people that are in it. and they have bunch of those programs with quite a few tx schools.

so if you are a regular applicant you are gonna have to do better than 11.

This seems like an unreasonable statement. How many of these "25 and you're in" people comprise the normal class? 160 or so enter each year. Assuming a "bunch" is 10% / 20% / 30% of the entire class, and assuming an average MCAT of 33.6 (USN&WR), and assuming a normal distribution of MCAT scores, this would mean that the avg MCAT would be:

10% (16 students) -> MCAT=34.6 (Conceivable)
20% (32 students) -> MCAT=35.75 (Wash U./Columbia numbers, I don't think so.)
30% (48 students) -> MCAT=46.93 (Since it only goes to 45, this is impossible.)


Do you have any numbers on the # of students from these other programs?
 

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Baylor has programs with UT-Pan Am. and the Debakey Health Professions school/U-H. I heard from a friend at Pan Am that 7 ppl met the MCAT cutoff and will be attending next year. I think about 8-10 seniors from the Health Professions High School are chosen each year.
 

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Sigma said:
This seems like an unreasonable statement. How many of these "25 and you're in" people comprise the normal class? 160 or so enter each year. Assuming a "bunch" is 10% / 20% / 30% of the entire class, and assuming an average MCAT of 33.6 (USN&WR), and assuming a normal distribution of MCAT scores, this would mean that the avg MCAT would be:

10% (16 students) -> MCAT=34.6 (Conceivable)
20% (32 students) -> MCAT=35.75 (Wash U./Columbia numbers, I don't think so.)
30% (48 students) -> MCAT=46.93 (Since it only goes to 45, this is impossible.)


Do you have any numbers on the # of students from these other programs?
Are you assuming that they all get 25s? A number of them get higher than 25 so your percentages may be wrong.
 

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Are you assuming that they all get 25s? A number of them get higher than 25 so your percentages may be wrong.
Agreed. But, 25 was the number I saw. My point was to show that if a lot of students with a 25 (or with an average of 25) entered, it necessarily means that the average MCAT for the "regular" admittances is unreasonably high. Thus, the statement is probably not accurate.

Unless I hear more info on how many "non-regular" peeps got in, and what their average scores are, I still believe this statement to be unreasonable. (Not necessarily wrong, but in the absence of real data, probably wrong.) It just concerns me when people throw opinions around and present them as quasi-facts.

As a future physician, to whom people will look towards for answers, that should concern you as well.
 

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Sigma said:
This seems like an unreasonable statement. How many of these "25 and you're in" people comprise the normal class? 160 or so enter each year. Assuming a "bunch" is 10% / 20% / 30% of the entire class, and assuming an average MCAT of 33.6 (USN&WR), and assuming a normal distribution of MCAT scores, this would mean that the avg MCAT would be:

10% (16 students) -> MCAT=34.6 (Conceivable)
20% (32 students) -> MCAT=35.75 (Wash U./Columbia numbers, I don't think so.)
30% (48 students) -> MCAT=46.93 (Since it only goes to 45, this is impossible.)


Do you have any numbers on the # of students from these other programs?
Dude...there is no way you go up that much from 20-30%.....

I just did the math using the 25 that you are assuming and I get an avg of 37.29 for the remainder of the class. However, I think its more accurate to assume an avg of at least 28 for this segment (could be even higher). Either way, I have no problem believing that a large segment of the class averages in the 35+ range (if you use 30% at a score of 28, then the remainder of the class would avg 36). Therefore, I have no problem doubting the validity of the statement.
 

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Sigma said:
Units! Units, damn you! 11.08 / section!

Ignore me, as a stats dude, I'm just frightened at the silly mistake.
that's a bit rough for someone that didn't double check their own numbers.....humbling eh?
 
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Baylor also participates in the JAMP Program (Joint Admissions Medical Program). This ensures a place in one of the eight medical schools in Texas. Some requirements must be met of course, you must *TAKE* the MCAT, and you must maintain a 3.25 GPA. Assuming that I keep around a 3.6-3.75 and do decent on the MCAT listing Baylor as a top choice, they are obligated to accept.

Yall were throwing around statistics, so I guess you have to have a percent from that. Two students from each participating University are selected for the JAMP program. The requirements are based on financial need (must be eligible for the pell grant) and your scores from your first semester as an undergrad.
 

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I wouldn't assume that my classmates who were accepted through the UTPA and UH earned 25s just because that's all they had to earn. Indeed, many of them worked hard to score highly so they could prove they deserved their spots - and I think there are about 20-25 people in my class from joint programs (UTPA, UH, and the famous Rice/Baylor people, who don't have to take the MCAT at all). For some reason, no one bashes the Rice/Baylor people.

I would just assume that, as there are plenty of 40's, 39's, and 38's and 37's in my class, there are probably also several people with scores below 30 - and I'm sure many of them got in through regular admission.
 

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that's a bit rough for someone that didn't double check their own numbers.....humbling eh?
I don't know what you mean.
 

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I wouldn't assume that my classmates who were accepted through the UTPA and UH earned 25s just because that's all they had to earn. Indeed, many of them worked hard to score highly so they could prove they deserved their spots - and I think there are about 20-25 people in my class from joint programs (UTPA, UH, and the famous Rice/Baylor people, who don't have to take the MCAT at all). For some reason, no one bashes the Rice/Baylor people.

I would just assume that, as there are plenty of 40's, 39's, and 38's and 37's in my class, there are probably also several people with scores below 30 - and I'm sure many of them got in through regular admission.
This is where I was hoping to go. On SDN, there seems to be an unsettling number of attempts to point out groups of people who may not "deserve" to be in. "Oh, you're in a special program - you must suck / be underserved / worse than me." It's frightening when I hear these statements or insinuations from a group of people who are supposed to be dedicating they're lives for a greater good. When I hear statements like that, it leads me to believe the only greater good people are serving is their own ego.
 

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Sigma said:
This is where I was hoping to go. On SDN, there seems to be an unsettling number of attempts to point out groups of people who may not "deserve" to be in. "Oh, you're in a special program - you must suck / be underserved / worse than me." It's frightening when I hear these statements or insinuations from a group of people who are supposed to be dedicating they're lives for a greater good. When I hear statements like that, it leads me to believe the only greater good people are serving is their own ego.

I agree with you guys 100%. Whoever Baylor admits must be a strong person that will make an excellent physician, regardless of the path they have taken or specific numbers.....

I don't know if you noticed Sigma, but your calculations (the 30% one for the MCAT scores) was way off. I corrected it on the previous page. That was what I was referring to considering you kind of jumped on the naive OP about his/her numbers. That's all. Nothing serious, just clowning.
 

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I agree with you guys 100%. Whoever Baylor admits must be a strong person that will make an excellent physician, regardless of the path they have taken or specific numbers.....

I don't know if you noticed Sigma, but your calculations (the 30% one for the MCAT scores) was way off. I corrected it on the previous page. That was what I was referring to considering you kind of jumped on the naive OP about his/her numbers. That's all. Nothing serious, just clowning.
Damn you! Damn you to hell!!!!!!!

Yup, you're right, I get 37.29 as well.

The first time I did them, I thought it looked odd, but I chalked it up to the fact that the denom was decreasing faster than the numerator was increasing in my calculation:

Score = (33.6 - 25(% of "special people")) / (1 - % of "special people")

Well, that and the 5 beers in me when I posted....
 

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Sigma said:
Damn you! Damn you to hell!!!!!!!

Yup, you're right, I get 37.29 as well.

The first time I did them, I thought it looked odd, but I chalked it up to the fact that the denom was decreasing faster than the numerator was increasing in my calculator

Score = (33.6 - 25(% of "special people")) / (1 - % of "special people")

Well, that and the 5 beers in me when I posted....

hehe its good to be right....its also good to be drunk....hmm....its even better to be right WHEN you're drunk....think on that people....that is pure knowledge