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Who's got the greatest discrepancy between GPA and MCAT?

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  1. Oski

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    I think that I have pretty unique numbers, and I want to see if there are any others like me:
    GPA 3.1 MCAT: 11P 12B 13-15V WS-S

    P.S. I am real bored right now.
     
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  3. Oski

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    ttac, you are awesome.

    I am having some success also. It is good to see that adcoms can overlook some poor grades to see the whole person.

    Grades are no measure of the man.
     
  4. Diogenes

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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Oski:
    <strong>Grades are no measure of the man.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You're right about that.

    But they do measure classroom performance, which is what they are designed to do. They aren't totally irrelevant.
     
  5. Mr.D

    Mr.D insipidus maximus

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    What schools are you having sucess with Oski? Awesome MCAT scores - way to go! <img border="0" alt="[Clappy]" title="" src="graemlins/clappy.gif" />
     
  6. </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by bjc:
    <strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Oski:
    <strong>Grades are no measure of the man.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You're right about that.

    But they do measure classroom performance, which is what they are designed to do. They aren't totally irrelevant.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Haha, that's pretty funny bjc. OSki, that's a great mcat score. now you have to be "man enough" to do well in school. gluck ace
     
  7. EMDrMoe

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    undergrad GPA 3.2 (AMCAS calc)
    MCAT 11, 12, 13 P

    It's nice to let people know you have reached a point where you're ready to kick butt...
     
  8. Oski

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    I think I'll be able to handle it.

    If not, you'll always be there to help me right?

    P.S. Yes, grades are some measure of how hard you work in school. And if you want to go to medical school, you should try to get better grades than I did. It isn't that cool to have to explain to all of your interviewers that you "just weren't very interested in school for awhile."

    And if I had gotten better grades, I probably could have gotten into a UC and saved myself $200,000. But, I have to ask myself, was living the kind of lifestyle that I did in college worth 200K...Hell Yeah!
     
  9. Optimistic

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    3.7........22. <img border="0" alt="[Pity]" title="" src="graemlins/pity.gif" />
    I wish it was other way. Low gpa ,higher Mcat
     
  10. Oski, i hear that kind of stuff all the time. from people who end up having to do a DO "whatever, i partied all through college and had FUN while other people were studying, so i think it was worth it"

    and from people applying to medschool in general that messed up college "i drank and had fun and partied, and it was worth it"

    i don't normally do this, normally i hold it and keep it to myself, but you asked me to be there for you, so i won't let you down. i'm gonna have to call you on your Bull****. no amount of "fun" is worth 200K. stop acting like someone's gonna believe this, when you don't even believe it. and that's no excuse for anything. plenty of people party hard or get through college with good grades even when they don't "care" about their classes. your excuse is not valid, so stop using the "i drank and partied" approach to explain yourself. you were lazy! and that's it. what's the big deal just say it. perhaps you're no longer lazy, so it shouldn't be hard to admit, unless you're still in denial because you're feeling defensive about the whole thing and don't want to admit that you were lazy because you still may be.

    Everybody can have fun and still be responsible with schoolwork. everybody parties and drinks somewhat and still does good.

    no offense, this isn't personal, it's something i've been wanting to say for a long time now, and it's not specifically directed at you. but you know it's true, don't you?
     
  11. Jalby

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    Ok, I'll bite. I ended up with a 3.3 (I think) and got 14B, 13P, and 10V.
     
  12. Papa Smurf

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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Jalbrekt:
    <strong>Ok, I'll bite. I ended up with a 3.3 (I think) and got 14B, 13P, and 10V.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Damn Jalbrekt!! How the hell do you get a 14 on the Bio section? What the hell did you do, memorize every damn hormone, enzyme, Kreb's cycle intermediate in the body? A lot of peeps rock the physical section, but I don't know too many that can tear apart the bio section like you did. I can't believe you still haven't gotten in!!
     
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    I've only known of one person with a 14BS. He went to my school and had a 4.0gpa and tutored O-chem and biol.

    How'd you study for it?

    I cracked an 11 in BS and I was quite happy with that, looking at a 14 sure does make an 11 look petty.
     
  14. Oski

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    Actually, Mr. Caveman, you are wrong.

    Beyond the drinks and the girls in college, I really just wasn't interested in jumping through all the hoops to get the grades for several years(18-21). It screwed me when I originally applied for med school with a 2.99. (Schools will give you no love if you have a 2.99.) And yes, I did have to get my $hit together and jump through some hoops to get myself accepted.

    I believe that the experiences and education that I got outside of the classroom were priceless. I actually think that I will be a better Doc because of it. And if I had been a gunner premed the whole way through I would not have had those experiences and I think I would be a much more hollow person.

    I have no problem admitting that I was lazy about my academics. But I was not lazy about living life and growing in other unmeasurable directions.

    Lastly, Mr. Caveman, I think that we will have to agree to disagree. I am sure that the way that I did college was worth 200K. Even if I make a billion dollars, I will never be able to live like that again. LIke I said, it was priceless...

    Don't let it worry you too much Mr. Caveman. It works out differently for different people. I still love you any way.
     
  15. THE instiGATOR

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    When I was a sophmore and was living with my brother and his fiancee, I got to watch her go through the MCAT ordeal. This chica had a 3.98 GPA (double majored in zoology and nutrition...yeah, not the most challenging). She had a photographic memory, I swear. It must not have been long term photography, cause she earned an 18 on the MCAT when she first took it. She retested and earned a 17.

    That's the most extreme case I know.
     
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  17. NE_Cornhusker1

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    I've got a 3.1 GPA and pulled 12 on Bio. Sci. I think the higher level scores are more indicative of how well you think and less about what you know. Jalbrekt probably nailed that damn K and R species question on the August 2001 MCAT.
     
  18. Jalby

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    Papi, I sent you a PM.
    My roomate got a 14 in bio, and I know a person with a 15 and another with a14. The other 14 also got a 14 in PS.
     
  19. Scooby Doo

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    My good friend here...(also on the board but she shall remain anonymous until she speaks up)

    Has a 3.1 GPA (I believe) and a 37-39 MCAT...

    Speak up speak up friend and correct me if I am wrong :)
     
  20. Hallm_7

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    Do you think GPA depends on the school you go to? I assume (though I could be wrong) that a 3.5 is a lot better than a 3.5 from a community college. So wouldn't adcomms look more at MCAT than GPA b/c GPA is so relative?
     
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    3.4 & 11, 13, 13.

    When I was younger, I failed a lot of classes.
     
  22. point taken Oski. i was curious as to how you'd respond to my post. but i don't think the passive-aggressive "mr. caveman" stuff was necessary. i got the message..i was purposefully antagonistic.

    maybe you had some crazy experiences that helped you to Grow as a person, and THAT could make it Worth it. so i'll agree to agree with you, oski. i wanted, though, to be able to finally get it out that many people say the same thing, when in fact it's BS--when in fact drinking lots of beer and hanging out does NOT make an enriching college experience/life. fun is fun. i've F-up because of too much hanging out as well, so i know the pain. i don't like it when people BS about IT having been worth it. bunk. nobody's talking about "gunning" because we're not being extreme here. but i know if most people that say that sort of thing (not you since you had Enriching experiences not just social stuff) could go back, they'd focus more on work, and a Little bit (just a bit) less on hanging out.

    Monsieur Oski
     
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    Well, this is interesting, exactly what I'm looking at.

    Scoring about 36 or 37 on all of my practice MCAT's (haven't taken it yet), but only have a 3.3 in school. I'd like to say I'm in it for the learning and not the grades, but frankly I just don't want to deal with the stuff some of the other premeds go through. I'm livin' it up here in college, and having a great time I'll remember forever. Hopefully I can show med schools that I do know my material by scoring well on MCAT's. Anyhow, for now its fraternities and exchanges, parties and girlfriends, and maybe a little studying on the side.
     
  24. good example of what i'm talking about. see, you are smart enough to save your own ass even though you're in a hole, because you can score well on the MCAT. but i know LOTS of peeps that are screwed cuz they ain't got it like that, and they've messed up school a bit also. now they feel "limited or stuck" with doing a DO since no Allo schools is gonna put up with their "i had fun" bullcrap when it's only accompanied by a 30 (which would have been enough for many allo schools if they'd had the gpa). some people get away with it. but those that do, like you, would be singin' a whole different song if they couldnt' "make up for it" on the MCAT. i'd be reading "damn i'm so pissed i messed myself up" instead of "i wouldn't trade it for the world."
    i'm sure you see what i mean guys. i'm just trying to put this opinion/fact(?) on the table to provide a different view of things/ some enlightenment...because there's really no actual point to me mentioning this.
     
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    Totally agree with cave...sub 3.0 GPA and 34 MCAT myself. Perhaps one needs to be further removed from those party years---spend some time working in a job you hate and getting repeatedly snubbed by med schools. Knowing what I know NOW, partying less and studying more way back then would have made life a whole lot easier. And yes, I feel like an f-ing idiot.

    aloha
     
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    I guess I could belong in this group. I have a 3.4 undergrad GPA and 13-15, 13, 13 on the MCAT. My degree is in engineering and the 19 hours of C's I got in calculus didn't help my GPA any!

    Funny Jalbrekt, your stats and mine seem very similar. Didn't you get into UTMB (or was it Baylor)? Maybe it *is* because I'm old that they won't let me in!

    Pam
     
  27. holy LORD spacecadet!! You are NOT in this group i'm talking about! promptly leave the premices please, and take your BEASTLY mcat score with you....
    Dude, that gpa is not that bad. your stats should easily get you into a top 10 program, especially since those C days are long gone and they're in engineering, which has nothing to do with clinical medicine. i don't know what their problem is...i'd take you in a heartBeat.
     
  28. Hey hey hey,

    I know someone from my undergrad who had a 3.97 as a biology major. She was a gunner through and through to the very last ounce of her personality. For months we listened to her brag about how she was going to go to Penn, or Yale, or Hopkins... She took the Kaplan Review for the MCAT...

    When she took the test, she scored a 13.
     
  29. Sprockette

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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by NE_Cornhusker1:
    <strong>I think the higher level scores are more indicative of how well you think and less about what you know. .</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">For me, it was more about how well you guess, not how well you think... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>Jalbrekt probably nailed that damn K and R species question on the August 2001 MCAT.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Dude, that question was evil!! Especially since the only class I would have learned it in was about 5 years removed from my memory...
     
  30. racergirl

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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Scooby Doo:
    <strong>My good friend here...(also on the board but she shall remain anonymous until she speaks up)

    Has a 3.1 GPA (I believe) and a 37-39 MCAT...

    Speak up speak up friend and correct me if I am wrong :) </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Are you talkin' to me? ARE YOU TALKIN' TO ME??
    If so, yeah, you're right, except AMCAS calculated my GPA as 3.06 (EEP!).
     
  31. we have a winner. a 7-9 point difference beats ALL.
    Racergirl, where will you be going next year?
     
  32. ttac

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    Being someone with a bad gpa/good mcat myself, I think there are two different types of people in this category.

    Type 1: The die-hard partyers who spend half of their college experience with a BAC &gt; 0.08, and imho adcoms tend to look at these people as lazy (ie: why didn't they just study? they had the ability to do well)

    Type 2: Die-hard nerds who want to learn everything about everything/get over extended in EC's, to the detriment of their coursework.

    Yes, type 2 people do exist. I would say that I was 90% type 2, 10% type 1. Ever since I can remember, I wanted to learn everything about everything. This meant watching TLC until my eyeballs were bloodshot, and reading practically all the science magazines I could find. When I was an undergrad, I wanted to learn everything about the UNIX computer system/Linux, and despite being a chem major, I spent 20-30 hours a week tweaking my linux box/recompiling my kernel. I learned a hell of alot about unix, and wrote a bunch of perl scripts, one to keep track of how much I was logged on: 15% of my time, or 25 hours per week. Everything about Unix was fascinating to me, and I spent alot of time learning as much about it as I could (and my grades suffered)

    I was also taking way too much academically: I remember one semester where I was taking 5 classes, (4 of them science), and one of them was a graduate level molecular spectroscopy class that required graduate level quantum chemistry as a prereq. Of course I hadn't taken that yet, so I decided I would just learn it on the side :)
    Plus I was doing Army ROTC 20 hours a week, and working 10 more hours a week. The point being, I was overextended, but I was also immature, irresponsible, and could not prioritize.

    So as not to bore you with too many details, I'll stop here, but I think that if the adcoms had diagnosed me with "Type 1 GPA/MCAT discrepancy" I would have been in a world of hurt, but since my letters of rec, and my interview indicated "Type 2 GPA/MCAT discrepancy" the adcoms cut me a little more slack. I still had to prove myself academically, which is what I have been doing for the past 5 years: taking postbac classes, doing research (4 listed publications, 3 posters), and being an Army officer in the National Guard. However, after 3 long years of applying, I finally convinced them that I was a different person than when I was an undergrad 6 years ago, and as a result, I now have a couple of acceptances.

    GPA: 2.5 undergrad (MIT), 2.78 AMCAS with a strong upward trend
    Postbac, while working fulltime: 2 B+'s (1 in grad bio), 1 A- (grad bio), 3 A's, 1 A+.
    MCAT: 10V, 13P, 14B, R

    -ttac
     
  33. racergirl

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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by A. Caveman:
    <strong>we have a winner. a 7-9 point difference beats ALL.
    Racergirl, where will you be going next year?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Wow. I'm pretty sure this is the first time someone has looked at my wacko stats and said "we have a winner!" <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

    That being said, I'm pretty sure I'll be at my state school (U of MN-Minneapolis) in August. Good school, new curriculum that I like, plus most likely a lot cheaper for me to attend...
     
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    3.6; 9V :( 14P :) 15B <img border="0" alt="[Wowie]" title="" src="graemlins/wowie.gif" /> R. Every interviewer asks me about the 9 verbal, but no one says "cool, a 15 bio..." The negative really stands out!
     
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    i might be seeing you there. :)

    i was supposed to be an emt today on campus. i showed up and the event was friggen cancelled. i drove up from burnsville at 6 AM on a Saturday!

    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by racergirl:
    <strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by A. Caveman:
    <strong>we have a winner. a 7-9 point difference beats ALL.
    Racergirl, where will you be going next year?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Wow. I'm pretty sure this is the first time someone has looked at my wacko stats and said "we have a winner!" <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

    That being said, I'm pretty sure I'll be at my state school (U of MN-Minneapolis) in August. Good school, new curriculum that I like, plus most likely a lot cheaper for me to attend...</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Gandalf:
    <strong>3.6; 9V :( 14P :) 15B <img border="0" alt="[Wowie]" title="" src="graemlins/wowie.gif" /> R. Every interviewer asks me about the 9 verbal, but no one says "cool, a 15 bio..." The negative really stands out!</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">was english a 2nd language?
     
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    3.3 GPA :( - 2.0 while pledging spring semester of freshman year.

    9V,12P,S,12B

    Applying this summer.
     
  38. Gandalf

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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by oldman:
    <strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Gandalf:
    <strong>3.6; 9V :( 14P :) 15B <img border="0" alt="[Wowie]" title="" src="graemlins/wowie.gif" /> R. Every interviewer asks me about the 9 verbal, but no one says "cool, a 15 bio..." The negative really stands out!</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">was english a 2nd language?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No. MCAT "English" was a second language!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> (I actually just crashed and burned on one of the passages...)
     
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    Gandalf - where will you be next year?
     
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    UG GPA: 2.6; MCAT: 38 S (11/14/13). Finally got in but what I would not do to go back in time and bitchslap some sense into myself. The road to redemption is a long and torturous one but all I can say is never give up and follow your heart.
     
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    Gandalf:
    For you to have gotten a 15 in Bio, you'd be in about the 99.99th percentile! Anyone else not believe him?? :mad: This forum is no place for blowing smoke. Good luck in med school!

    Luca Brasi
     
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    Thanks Caveman for the ego boost. I just wish that these stupid schools would share your opinion! LOL.
     
  43. Gandalf

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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Luca45:
    <strong>Gandalf:
    For you to have gotten a 15 in Bio, you'd be in about the 99.99th percentile! Anyone else not believe him?? :mad: This forum is no place for blowing smoke. Good luck in med school!

    Luca Brasi</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That 15 in bio is a Sicilian message. It means Luca Brasi sleeps with the fishes. :cool:
     
  44. Gandalf

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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Jameson:
    <strong>Gandalf - where will you be next year?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I don't know yet; probably in the gutter somewhere!
     
  45. spacecadet

    spacecadet Senior Member

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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Luca45:
    <strong>Gandalf:
    For you to have gotten a 15 in Bio, you'd be in about the 99.99th percentile! Anyone else not believe him?? Luca Brasi</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well, somebody had to have gotten a 15. Why not believe him? Geez - some people are so cynical... Now, if he was posting that he got all 15's, that would be another story!
     
  46. lyle

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    My discrepancy goes the other way:
    At an ivy
    GPA(overall) 3.8
    BMCP(AMCAS) 3.9

    MCAT: 8V, 10P, 10B, S

    I wish they would have been a bit higher...I may have had more luck in getting acceptances
     

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