Who's heard from Peds?

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  1. nychick

    nychick Senior Member

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    Things have kind of slowed in terms of interview invites, so was just wondering if other people had heard yet.

    So far, I got waitlisted (?) at NYU, and interviews at
    a bunch of Brooklyn places, SUNY Brooklyn, LICH/Beth Israel, Brooklyn Hospital Program, NY Methodist, and in DC, Georgetown (which, brilliantly, is on probation).

    Anyone else heard anything yet?
     
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    Georgetown is on probation??!!??!!??!!

    What's the story?
     
  4. lowbrowmed

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    Hiya,
    I've got interviews at U Alabama, U Va, VCU/MCV, EVMS/CHKD, Emory, Vandy, Cleveland Clinic, Children's in Pitt, Children's in Cincy, Utah, Harbor-UCLA, UCI and Wash U/St. Louis Children's.

    Rejected from Boston Children's.
    Waitlisted for CHOP.
    Still waiting to hear from many programs on the West.
    (yeah, I applied to a few too many programs.)
     
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    Hiya,
    I've got interview invites at U Alabama, U Va, VCU/MCV, EVMS/CHKD, Emory, Vandy, Cleveland Clinic, Children's in Pitt, Children's in Cincy, Utah, Harbor-UCLA, UCI and Wash U/St. Louis Children's.

    Rejected from Boston Children's.
    Waitlisted for CHOP.
    Still waiting to hear from many programs on the West.
    (yeah, I applied to a few too many programs.)
     
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    OK, US Grad here who has applied to too many programs!

    Here goes...

    interview invitations ....

    MCV/VCU, Fairfax, G'town, Sinai/Baltimore, St. Chris, Jefferson/duPont, Einstein (PA), UMDNJ/Camden, Crozer, UMDNJ/RWJ, UMDNJ/Morristown, Monmouth, LIJ/Schneider's, NYMC/Westchester, Einstein/Jacobi, Einstein/Montefiore, Newark-BI, Winthrop, Maimonides, Nassau U. Med Center, St. Joseph's, Penn State.

    rejected by Wake Forest

    phew....cancelled 8 of those

    p.s. - anyone hear from U. Maryland yet??
     
  7. nychick

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    Hey Jack, you should look at the ABP pass rates (Monmouth has a link- am interviewing there also) for UMDNJ/Camden -- I remember their pass rate looked astoundingly low.

    With respect to Georgetown, where I am interviewing also, it's on probation. You can find the publicly available info on the ACGME website (do Search Programs). The ACGME lady I spoke to was very nice but said she could NOT reveal the specific reasons -- we must ask the program ourselves if we want to find out.

    I asked, in general, what would get a program on probation, and she said that it could be a number of things, including a general lack of resources, which apparently means patients, not funding or ancillary services.

    I also asked her what happens, again, generally speaking, when a program loses accreditation and she said that the program remains accredited through the end of that year (academic, not calendar, so I guess the following July) and then it stops -- so residents find themselves in the position of having to get another position in a different program.
     
  8. jackjinju

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    Hi,

    Thanks for the post. I am aware of what you stated about G'town and UMDNJ/Cooper. I should add that the interviews I cancelled are Maimonides, St. Joe's, Nassau, Newark-BI,Winthrop, NYMC/Valhalla, Penn State. I am interested in staying in Philly/NJ, so those are the most interesting to me. I like this thread, let's keep it going!
     
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    I understand the geographic bit, as I'm doing the same thing--I'd like to be in the NY metro area, where my sister lives.

    The only places I applied outside that really where Georgetown and Children's in DC, although given the competition, I doubt I'll get an interview there in any case. But you don't know unless you try....

    Got another invite from St Barnabas.

    Also, on the IM Board on this site I read, and I quote:

    I have to say that I was surprised as my sister was a patient at Georgetown in the late 80s (i.e., before the acquisition by Medstarhealth or whatever the co. is called) and I'm surprised if the quality of the hospital had gone downhill so rapidly. I was always under the impression that G'town was a pretty good place, but hey, sometimes things change. I guess I'll see it when I get there.
     
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    I didn't apply to many east coast schools, but I did get invites at Maine and Vermont. I applied to 23 programs (WAY too many) and will interview at about seven: Oklahoma, Utah, New Mexico, EVMS, OSU/Columbus, Nebraska, Wash U, and Louisville. I never scheduled any of the other schools.

    I never heard (yes or no) from UAB, Vanderbilt, Colorado, or Phoenix Children's.

    Memphis invited me late in the game, so I am assuming they weren't very interested and did not schedule an interview.

    I had my home school interview last week--of course, they know me, so it went pretty well.

    Good luck to those who are hoping to stay on the Coast. Personally, I am trying to find the smallest city in which I can get a good education!
     
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    Just got an Invite for Rainbow Babies and Denver Children's.
    Rejected from Oregon HSU.

    I think that the biggest problem with G'town was the lack of pathology. Children's National was the big center and G'town had problems finding patients to take care of. That was the rumour I heard.
     
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    Anyone heard from Seattle?
    Thanks.
    -M
     
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    Has anyone heard any thing from the West Coast Children's Hospitals? Orange County, Oakland, LA?

    No word from Seattle.
     
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    got an invite from oakland and stanford. haven't heard from ucsf or ucsd yet.
    didn't apply any LA area places.
     
  15. ubiquitous

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    I'm a med student and I'm interested in peds. For those of you applying this year I have a few questions for you if you don't mind answering them:

    1. It seems that some of you felt that you applied to too many programs. About how many interviews do you need in peds to be confident that you'll match somewhere?

    2. What type of stats (grades, Step 1 scores) do the more competitive programs look for (e.g., JHU, CHOP, Children's in Boston, Children's Nat'l in DC, etc.)? I always hear students discussing stats for the more competitive specialties, but I've yet to hear anything about pediatrics.

    I'm glad to finally see some activity in the Peds forum! :clap:

    TIA for any info. you can provide!
     
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    Hi!

    I'm very glad to see some activity in this forum, too.
    OK, well..I think to be confident about matching, 10-12 programs is plenty. I'm interviewing at 14, but I'm paranoid. If I'm to be honest, I think that there's around a 95% chance you'll match into one of your top 5 that you interview at, so it's not too tough. However, to get into a CHOP or JHU, you should be AOA, with step 1 scores, say >235 or so to be competitive.

    Secondly, regarding subspecialties (which you didn't really ask about, but maybe it's implied somewhere), I think one reason that few people really harp on getting into big programs to get into competitive pediatric fellowships, like they do with internal medicine fellowships, is that....well....there are very few pediatric specialties that are competitive. Only Peds Emergency Medicine is seen as REALLY competitive. I've heard some say that Peds Cardiology is kinda competitive, but not too much so. The reason? Based on several salary surveys, the average general pediatrician's salary is 140-150K. The average pediatric specialist's salary is only from 140-210K, and that includes (usually) three extra years of training. That's because, unlike adult medicine, most peds specialists are in academic centers because of the relatively low volume of really sick kids. In other words, most of us will need a cardiologist one day, but how many 6 year-olds do? Therefore, there's little room for, say, peds GI or cardiology in the private setting. Therefore, while around 50% or greater internal medicine folk go into well-paying specialties, only around 20% of peds people bother with extra training.

    Hope that helps.
     
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    I actually applied to 30 programs, all in the NY city area or in DC. After 30, the $25 bucks per program it cost to apply just didn't seem worth it.

    However, I'm an IMG and I really had no idea of where I fit in terms of the general applicant pool. So I figured I'd rather be safe than sorry. Of course, since I based the program on geography, I applied to everything from super-competitive places (like DC Children's) to "easier" community-hospital-type places, and weeded out the list by not applying to places that had really poor ABP pass rates.

    As a backup, I also applied to transitional and preliminary IM spots, just in case, but I'd really rather not have to go through an extra year of scut. I mean it would be better than not doing anything medical, but really far from ideal.

    My strategy is essentially to go to as many peds interviews as I can get with an open mind, see the places and programs and then build my ROL from there.
     
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    I also applied to what seems like a lot of programs - 17. I'm having trouble scheduling all my interviews, so will probably go to only 14 or so.

    Someone said they weren't interviewing at a program b/c they got a late interview. Do you think it would be a bad idea to cancel an interview scheduled earlier for one that I got later? The one I got earlier is easier to get into.
     
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    I applied to 27 programs. I applied to a lot of academic centers because I'm interested in research and subspeciality medicine. I'll probably interview at about ten programs (more because of financial considerations than anything else). Having been rejected from CHOP and Boston Children's (anyone hear from JHU yet?), I can't really tell you what's needed to match at these places.

    Anyone hear from anywhere else?

    Out of curiosity, do you guys think it's possible to interview at three different places on three consecutive days? Just, um, wondering...
     
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    ****1. It seems that some of you felt that you applied to too many programs. About how many interviews do you need in peds to be confident that you'll match somewhere?

    2. What type of stats (grades, Step 1 scores) do the more competitive programs look for (e.g., JHU, CHOP, Children's in Boston, Children's Nat'l in DC, etc.)? I always hear students discussing stats for the more competitive specialties, but I've yet to hear anything about pediatrics.****

    (forgive me...i have no idea how to quote)

    I agree with with what jackjinju said and I'll just add my own personal experience:
    I applied to most of the bigger academic peds programs, especially in the west, with some exceptions (I didn't apply anywhere in LA...not that they're not good programs, but it's just not my favorite city). I got flushed from CHOP and Boston Combined. I'm still waiting to hear from Seattle, UCSF, and UCSD. Otherwise, I received interviews from everywhere else, including JHU. (please don't think I'm trying to toot my own horn...just trying to give some info).

    My stats: med school at a smaller state school. Step 1 of 236. Was middle of my class during first two years. Honored half of 3rd year, including peds and medicine (not surgery, though). Did some research in college and during med school. Most importantly, though, I did aways at 3 of my top choices. This is
    key, I think, especially coming from a smaller school. I was able to get really good
    letters of rec out of 2 of those, and also met people at those programs who will go to bat for me (I hope...).

    So, I'm by no means AOA, but I did work pretty hard on my peds rotation and my aways, and I think this has helped me so far. I'm planning to interview at about
    12-13. We'll see how it pans out...forget everything I just said if I call your program looking for a job come late March.

    Ubiquitous, hope this helps. Feel free to ask any other questions.
    Good luck!

    -M
     
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    Thanks to everyone for responding so quickly! It's good to hear about individual experiences of students. I hope that you all get some great news on Match Day :D

    Thanks again,
     
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    Yeah, I think it'll get harder to sell yourself and be really enthusiastic as the week gets on, but at the same time, as you get more experienced and into the groove, you probably get better at the interviewing bit, too.

    In any case that's what I hope as I'm booking solid interviews for the month of January. I'm coming from Europe and it would be really hard to spread them all out over several months, so I'm just doing them all in a row. Can't be avoided.
     
  24. i'm a second year and I know I shouldn't be thinking about this yet, but can anyone tell me a little more about U Cincinatti, U Minnesota, UW-Madison, Michigan, UCLA, U Iowa, and OHSU for peds? I know Cincy and UCLA are very well-respected, but not sure about the others. I ask b/c these are the only non-East Coast schools I am thinking about applying to come 4th year. If anyone interviewed at these places, can you tell me what you thought? Also, how competitive is each program and do any of these programs show preference for their own grads or state residents? If it helps, I am a Massachusetts resident (formerly Maryland) attend Tufts, and have honored one class and passed everything else (no ranking here for 1st 2 years). I am a California native but didn't live there for long as a child.. good luck to all of you.
     
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    Like others, I have heard that Cincy is quite good. They apparently have a very academic feel and train as such. The residents are quite busy, I'm told.

    I've heard that OHSU was quite good and they had a relatively innovative curriculum with many subspecialty rotations that were mandatory. Portland is a great city and OHSU has a really great campus. Unfortunately, I don't know any more.

    another invite from CHOC.
    anyone hear anything else?
     
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    **** but can anyone tell me a little more about U Cincinatti, U Minnesota, UW-Madison, Michigan, UCLA, U Iowa, and OHSU for peds?****

    I'm planning to interview at Cincinnati, OHSU, and Michigan, so I'll be able to tell you more about them in a couple months.
    I've heard great things about the others. Minnesota is supposed to be excellent
    though I'm told it's not quite as good as it used to be. Madison is a smaller program, but still great. Unfortunately, they don't have a stand-alone kid's hospital, so I decided against applying there (one of my criteria for narrowing down my list...soon you'll realize that there are lots of really good peds programs out there, so it's hard to keep your list reasonable). And Madison is supposed to be a great college town....very progressive (if that's important to you). Iowa
    is supposedly a fantastic program. They have a very strong research base (I
    think they're #1 or 2 for peds NIH research funding for public institutions), and,
    like Madison, Iowa City is very progressive. I'm not too familiar with UCLA,
    though.

    And 2nd year is definitely NOT too early to be thinking about these things. 3rd year is going to fly by and before you know it, you'll be thinking about electives
    and your application.
    Good luck!
    -M
     
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    I'm interviewing at UAB, Memphis, UNC/ chapel hill, UVA/charlottesville, Eastern Virginia/CHKD, Wake Forest, CMC/ Charlotte, MCG/ Augusta, and Columbia, SC. In response to a previous post I also have 3 interviews back to back and I'm hoping it works out. There just wasn't a way around it with scheduling difficulties.
    If anyone else is going to these same interviews on the same dates, I'd be happy to offer a ride. I never liked driving by myself, much less in an unfamiliar area.

    December 13th UNC
    December 16th Norfolk, VA
    December 18th Charlottesville, VA

    Also, if anyone has any input about any of these programs I'd appreciate it. Good luck on interviews everyone!
     
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    I'm interviewing at UAB, Memphis, UNC/ chapel hill, UVA/charlottesville, Eastern Virginia/CHKD, Wake Forest, CMC/ Charlotte, MCG/ Augusta, and Columbia, SC. In response to a previous post I also have 3 interviews back to back and I'm hoping it works out. There just wasn't a way around it with scheduling difficulties.
    If anyone else is going to these same interviews on the same dates, I'd be happy to offer a ride. I never liked driving by myself, much less in an unfamiliar area.

    December 13th UNC
    December 16th Norfolk, VA
    December 18th Charlottesville, VA

    Also, if anyone has any input about any of these programs I'd appreciate it. Good luck on interviews everyone!
     
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    Is it advisable to do audition rotations/electives at places that you're interested in matching at? I've heard pros and cons for other specialties but nothing for peds.

    Thanks!
     
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    Got my invite from Mayo today. I applied late to Mayo (probably Nov 5th or so) because I didn't think I would have a chance, so even though I haven't accepted any late invitations so far, I think I will head up to Mayo.

    Does anyone have any information about the program? The website is not very informative. I think I've heard that the residents go elsewhere for NICU/NB nursery, but I don't remember for sure.

    Any help would be appreciated!
     
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    ****Is it advisable to do audition rotations/electives at places that you're interested in matching at? I've heard pros and cons for other specialties but nothing for peds.****

    Ubiquitous,

    I did 3 audition electives at 3 of my top choices for residency. They were
    fantastic experiences for a few reasons. I got to see how medicine and pediatrics
    gets practiced at other places, especially big, academic, tertiary programs. I got
    to experience the atmosphere of academia, which was very exciting for me, as
    that is sorely lacking at my school (depending on where you're coming from, this may be irrelevant). At each of these places, I was able to work closely with
    one or two attendings who then can turn around and say (in the form of a letter and/or a face-to-face conversation) to the program selection committee, "I
    worked with this person and he would make a great addition to our program." This is the main reason I decided to do all subspecialty audition electives, rather than true floor sub-I's (if you don't know the difference, let me know). I also was able to meet personally with each program director and get my foot in the door.
    There are some possible downsides. You may, for whatever reason, have a bad experience. I had one friend who worked her ass off on an PICU rotation, and every morning, when they were rounding, the attending ripped her note out of the chart and handed it back to her -- not because she wrote bad notes (this girl is smart as hell), but because that was just their attitude about med students (that program quickly found its way off her list). I think that example was an anomaly -- in my experience, pediatricians are so laid back and fun-loving that you'll most likely have a good experience. So the cons that apply to doing aways in other fields (like surgery or medicine) -- i.e. if you don't really impress them, you'll hurt your chances -- aren't as applicable to peds. I think if you READ, take interest, ask questions, and are a likeable person, you'll do fine.

    Hope this helps. Please let me know if you have other questions.
    Good luck!
    -M
     
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    got rejected though. Not that I was that surprised. Oh well....
     
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    Who have you gotten rejections from?

    Wake Forest and U. Conn here.
     
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    Peds
    Rejected at Children's National (DC)
    Waitlisted at NYU which essentially = a nice way to say I was rejected as I don't see myself moving off the wait-list!

    Rejected for IM prelim year at Lenox Hill

    I'm still waiting to hear from a lot of places, including the Einsteins, assorted Beth Israels and Mount Sinais! Did they put my application in the forgotten pile? :rolleyes:

    I'm getting kind of antsy...
     
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    got the interview invite via snail mail... no wonder it took so long. :)
     
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    Rejections from :
    Boston Childrens and CHOP (who was I kidding?)
    OHSU
    open interview invite from Yale

    Got new invites from CHLA and JHU.

    Still waiting to hear from many programs on the West.
     
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    Hi NY chic,
    Can you tell us what your credentials are? It might do me a lot of help?
    gm
     
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    IMG at Vienna University in Austria, with one year abroad at university in Florence
    Step 1 = 235/95, on my first multiple choice exam ever :clap:
    no Step 2 or CSA yet
    US green card
    LORs from peds, IM, pediatric surgery, and derm, but none are US (3 from Austria and 1 from France)
    volunteer experience as camp counselor in pediatric cancer camp (Hole in the Wall in the US and sister camp in Ireland)
    we don't have class rankings at my university (there is no real "class" per se, as people move on and graduate at different speeds), and my initial Dean's letter looked nothing like the ones in the US--it was a one-page thing that said not very much
     
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    Just to recap, here's who's sent out invitations/rejections so far then:

    Boston Childrens
    Brooklyn Hospital
    Children?s National
    Children's in Cincy
    Children's in Pitt
    CHLA
    CHOP
    Cleveland Clinic
    CMC/Charlotte
    Columbia, SC
    Crozer
    Denver Children's.
    Eastern Virginia/CHKD
    Einstein (PA)
    Einstein/Jacobi
    Einstein/Montefiore
    Emory
    Fairfax
    Georgetown
    Harbor-UCLA
    Harlem Hospital
    Jefferson/duPont
    Johns Hopkins
    LICH/Beth Israel
    LIJ/Schneider's
    Louisville
    Maimonides
    Maine
    MCG/Augusta
    MCV/VCU
    Memphis
    Monmouth Medical Ctr
    Nassau University Medical Ctr
    Nebraska
    New Mexico
    Newark-BI
    NY Methodist
    NYMC/Westchester
    NYU
    Oakland
    Oklahoma
    Oregon HSU
    OSU/Columbus
    Penn State
    Rainbow Babies
    Sinai/Baltimore

    Feel free to add to the list....
     
  40. jackjinju

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    Oh, as a follow-up...I interviewed at UMDNJ/RWJ-Camden (Cooper), and their low board pass rate is interesting. According to the PD, they've had pass rates around 75-80% for years and two years ago, they had a bad class where only 27% passed! That is why their pass rate is only 51% over the past 3 years. It's a good program I think...maybe people overlook it b/c of location. Very nice facilities/modern, too considering where it is.
     
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    Another offer from U Washington.

    Here's the list (with some additions):
    Boston Childrens
    Brooklyn Hospital
    Children?s National
    Children's in Cincy
    Children's in Pitt
    CHLA
    CHOC
    CHOP
    Cleveland Clinic
    CMC/Charlotte
    Columbia, SC
    Crozer
    Denver Children's.
    Eastern Virginia/CHKD
    Einstein (PA)
    Einstein/Jacobi
    Einstein/Montefiore
    Emory
    Fairfax
    Georgetown
    Harbor-UCLA
    Harlem Hospital
    Jefferson/duPont
    Johns Hopkins
    LICH/Beth Israel
    LIJ/Schneider's
    Louisville
    Maimonides
    Maine
    MCG/Augusta
    MCV/VCU
    Memphis
    Monmouth Medical Ctr
    Nassau University Medical Ctr
    Nebraska
    New Mexico
    Newark-BI
    NY Methodist
    NYMC/Westchester
    NYU
    Oakland
    Oklahoma
    Oregon HSU
    OSU/Columbus
    Penn State
    Rainbow Babies
    Sinai/Baltimore
    UAB
    UC Irvine
    Utah
    UVA
    U Washington
    Vandy
    Wash U

    Can anyone tell me anything about Cleveland Clnic? What proportion of the admissions there are medical vs. surgical?
     
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    Here's my additions to the list.... (they're in there, trust me)

    Boston Childrens
    Brooklyn Hospital
    Children?s National
    Children's in Cincy
    Children's in Pitt
    CHLA
    CHOC
    CHOP
    Cleveland Clinic
    CMC/Charlotte
    Columbia, SC
    Crozer-Chester
    Denver Children's.
    Eastern Virginia/CHKD
    Einstein (PA)
    Einstein/Jacobi
    Einstein/Montefiore
    Emory
    Fairfax
    Georgetown
    Harbor-UCLA
    Harlem Hospital
    Jefferson/duPont
    Johns Hopkins
    LICH/Beth Israel
    LIJ/Schneider's
    Louisville
    Maimonides
    Maine
    MCG/Augusta
    MCV/VCU
    Mercy Hospital of Pittsburgh
    Memphis
    Monmouth Medical Ctr
    Nassau University Medical Ctr
    Nebraska
    New Mexico
    Newark-BI
    NY Methodist
    NYMC/Westchester
    NYU
    Oakland
    Oklahoma
    Oregon HSU
    OSU/Columbus
    Penn State
    Rainbow Babies
    Sinai/Baltimore
    St. Christopher's
    UAB
    UC Irvine
    UMDNJ-RWJ
    UMDNJ-RWJ (Camden)
    Utah
    UVA
    U Washington
    Vandy
    Wash U
    Winthrop U. Hospital

    phew...has anyone heard from U. Maryland?
     
  43. gluteus maximus

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    Hi NY chick,
    Thanks for the info! Which programs do you think are your best chances to get into? Also, can you tell me the criteria for ranking these places if at all after the interviews? Have you researched about each individual prgram?
    Thanx,
    gm
     
  44. nychick

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    ... this is a futile question, IMHO, and to be brutally honest with you, it is not one I will waste my time pondering (I don't mean to be snarky or anything :) ). The beauty of the Match is that if I construct my ROL right and the programs express their true preferences, things should turn out in my best interest, i.e. I could not have matched at a place that I preferred to the one that I received as a result of the Match.

    That said, after interviewing I am sure that I will have a better idea of which programs I prefer to spend the next 3 years at based on academics, environment, etc.

    To throw it back out there, does anyone know people that did not match in previous years and why? For example, I understand some people rank too few programs or rely on promises by the PD and then end up not matching. In the EM boards, the consensus opinion seems to be that 5-6 is the magic number to end up matched. The NRMP data actually indicates it may be slightly higher than that.

    Impact of Length of Rank Order List on Match Results
    1996 - 2002

    NRMP has collected data for the last seven years on the relationship between the average length of the Rank Order Lists (ROL) of matched applicants and filled programs vs. the average length of Rank Order Lists of unmatched applicants and unfilled programs. Reviewing the data shows that there is a consistent pattern of matched applicants and filled programs having longer ROLs than unmatched applicants and unfilled programs.

    Applicant Data
    Year Match'd Avg Length of ROLs Unm'd Avg Length of ROLs
    1996 73.3% 6.43 26.7% 5.38
    1997 69.6% 6.89 30.4% 5.16
    1998 69.8% 7.32 30.2% 4.95
    1999 70.4% 7.42 29.6% 5.06
    2000 74.7% 7.28 25.3% 4.82
    2001 78.1% 7.40 21.9% 4.71
    2002 80.4% 7.46 19.6% 4.14

    US Seniors Data
    Year Match'd Avg Length of ROLs Unm'd Avg Length of ROLs
    1996 92.7% 6.47 7.3% 5.68
    1997 93.5% 7.07 6.5% 5.73
    1998 94.4% 7.57 5.6% 5.10
    1999 95.1% 7.76 4.9% 4.96
    2000 95.2% 7.73 4.8% 5.18
    2001 95.0% 7.88 5.0% 4.71
    2002 95.6% 7.96 4.4% 4.62

    The NRMP charges no additional fee up to a ROL of 15 programs
    and $30 a program after that. I may be paranoid, but I plan to rank most pediatric programs that I'm interviewing at...
     
  45. gluteus maximus

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    Hi NY chick,
    I partly agree with you about attempts to rank programs before interviews is futile or for that matter even after interviews. But if you strictly go by your criteria for ranking, I think you could do a much better job of ROLs (see First Aid for the Match for a sample checklist during interiews). I guess you could still rank programs of your top choice first if you get very good responses from the PD, but, if not then I think you must go with your check list criteria to be as objective as possble (subjectivity does help you rank programs with consideration to work environ, resident duty hrs, etc., etc.). Also, the data posted by the NRMP is heavily skewed with data from AMGs, who need to typically apply to 10-15 programs at the most, and they are sure to match at one of their top 3 choices, unlike FMGs. Considering this, I think it is not paranoia but highly advisable to be on the safer side, spend some$$ and rank all places that you have interviewed.
    gm
     
  46. nychick

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    Columbia -- what was I thinking?
     
  47. Sounds like everyone has had at least some contact with traditionally excellent programs...that's great!

    Haven't heard of anyone checking out Baylor. I interviewed there several weeks ago, and thought it was top-notch. I understand one wanting to stay in a particular geographic area...seems like everyone in this forum is from up north.

    Regarding a previous comment about CHOP and Cinci etc. Of course it helps a great deal to be AOA and have super board scores, but don't get too caught up in that mess. I have several classmates with above average scores, that were not AOA getting invites from Cinci, Boston, CHOP, Baylor, Seattle, etc. Keep you head up.....thankfully, peds isn't opthalmology!
     
  48. Chimera

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    Can someone fill me in on the quality of the CWRU-Rainbow Babies Peds program?

    The hospital is consistently ranked well, but how about the post grad education?

    I heard they didn't even fill all of their slots last year, is this true?

    Thanks.
     
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    Rainbow has had some major problems recently, mostly related to residents feeling like they were being used primarily for service (i.e. getting scutted out)
    rather than being there for education. The rumor is that last year, the seniors
    got together and told applicants not to come there -- and it worked: they
    ended up matching only 10 out of 24 spots, and filling the rest through the
    scramble.
    I decided not to interview there. It sounds like they've really made
    some changes for the better, and it has an EXCELLENT reputation within
    academic circles (#1 in NIH funding for peds), but for me, it just wasn't
    worth the gamble of being at a place where over half your seniors may not
    have wanted to go into peds in the first place. Depending on what year you
    are, by the time you apply they may have really gotten their act together.
    If you're interested in what specific changes they've made, let me know.
    Hope this helps.

    -M
     
  50. nychick

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    Still haven't heard from a bunch of places.

    Called some programs; was told that I'm in the "wait" pile :rolleyes: hint, hint ;) ...so if you aren't into interviewing somewhere cause you've got too much on your plate, cancel the interview for the sake of us lowly wait-listers :D :laugh:
     
  51. smorri

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    Here's a list of the programs I applied to and impressions about each post-interview (from what I can remember...it all gets jumbled!)

    1. Rainbow Babies in Cleveland: Yes, its true they did not fill all of their slots last year. The residents were not happy about all the scut work (starting IVs, doing blood sticks, etc.). Not matching REALLY freaked the higher-ups out and they have hired phlebotomy teams, redone the call rooms, and put faster computers in. I was impressed with how seriously they took not matching and the residents that I met all seemed happy. I was seriously considering the program until the end of the day with the group interview...I was totally ignored...made me feel I was there to buffer their numbers.
    2. Univ. of Texas Southwestern in Dallas: Was very impressed with this program. First of all, they feed their residents...during morning report and at noon conferences. Faculty seemed approachable and the program seems to care about their residents. Residents seemed happy. The morning report I attended was laid back but very imformative. PGY1 year is tough but second year with only 1 month of call (you do 4-5 ER months). Good ancillary services.
    3. Baylor in Houston: Impressed with this program too. Dr. Feigin is the department head and (currently) president of Baylor and he interviews each candidate...makes you feel like a million bucks! LOL They have 2 hospitals residents practice in...the big huge Texas Children's and a smaller community type hospital. Ancillary services excellent at TCH, not so great at the community hospital. Residents seemed happy.
    4. Fairfax INOVA: I liked this program too even though it is primary care oriented. Lots of patient volume and specialty services for a community hospital. Fairfax county is pretty wealthy and so this program is able to provide a generous book stipend of 400 or 600 dollars/year (cant remember which). First year with only 4-5 months of call but call schedule gets tougher as you go along. (this has to do with lots of interns from Georgetown coming through to split up the call with first year.) Faculty and residents all seemed very nice. Each year a couple of residents do fellowships and seem to get into great spots. Oh yeah, if you're not on call on the weekend, you don't come in.
    5. Georgetown: Yes, on probation for low patient volume. Supposedly has been fixed and they will be re-evaluated in April of 2003. Not too much money floating around (no book stipend at all). Residents start most of own IVs and do blood sticks. They add a second half day per week of continuity clinic during third and fourth year.
    6. Univ of Maryland: The residents all seemed very happy, close knit. You have to do a research project to graduate. Residents start most IVs and blood sticks. Brand new ER. Not on call on weekend, don't come in.
    I've also applied to UAB and Emory but don't interview until next month. Whew...this ended up being a novel...sorry everyone. Good luck!
     
  52. mhdousa

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    Anyone still waiting to hear from UCSF?

    Hope everyone's interviews are going well!

    -M
     

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