Why are DO neurosurgery spots going unfilled?

[Wyclef]

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Is there a paucity of applicants, or of qualified applicants? Isn't it in the best interest of the programs to keep all the spots filled to lighten the load for the residents?

 

[Toohotinvegas33]

Some may not have funding to take a resident for all 6 years, so they may have the spots approved, but can only accept one every other year.

 

[cremaster2007]

last year I think all the spots filled. It is true some programs take only one person every other year. You need to look into it. It also isn't always in the best interest of the program just to fill the spot because you have to work with that person for 6 years. Applicants need to be smart and trainable, but they also need to be bearable

 

[Wyclef]

At the SOSA convention in Philly this year, an attending spoke and said that not all the spots are being filled and that they are there if we want them. This was a suprise to me and kinda gave me hope that I can get one. Last night I was looking at the numbers at http://opportunities.osteopathic.org/search/search.cfm and they appear to jive with his statement. I think you're right about the programs being picky (and rightly so). I just hope I can make the cut when the time comes.

 

[HarveyCushing]

At the SOSA convention in Philly this year, an attending spoke and said that not all the spots are being filled and that they are there if we want them. This was a suprise to me and kinda gave me hope that I can get one. Last night I was looking at the numbers at http://opportunities.osteopathic.org/search/search.cfm and they appear to jive with his statement. I think you're right about the programs being picky (and rightly so). I just hope I can make the cut when the time comes.

That is interesting, thanks for sharing that. As a DO student, I am also interested in entering the ns field. However I realize that not all of our programs are of equal quality. I have always wondered if it was only the top programs that were filling every year and the weaker ones that went unfilled. I guess maybe programs don't fill since ns isn't as popular among DO students as say, ortho? I hope that what the attending said is true, cause I need all the help I can get.

 

[HarveyCushing]

I just wanted to add that it appears the Cook County NS Program (CCOM) is no longer running. I had heard rumors in the pipeline that this program would be closed down. 🙁 http://www.cchil.org/medicineresidency/educationalprograms.html

 

[Wyclef]

C'est dommage!

 

[BusterDO]

does anyone know off hand which programs admit every other year? It would be nice to know.

 

[BlackSails]

Couldnt it also be that most DOs choose to apply for allopathic residencies? (They can only apply to one or the other, right?)

 

[Wyclef]

Buster, the link i posted above shows what year the residents are in the different programs.

 

[Toohotinvegas33]

I just wanted to add that it appears the Cook County NS Program (CCOM) is no longer running. I had heard rumors in the pipeline that this program would be closed down. 🙁 http://www.cchil.org/medicineresidency/educationalprograms.html

Theres alot of programs and schools using cookcounty, and they haven't made a site that encompasses all the programs at that particular hospital. So just because its not listed on one site doesn't mean it doesnt exist. also that program just took another resident last july.
http://opportunities.osteopathic.or...program_id=169707&hosp_id=118789&returnPage=1

CCOM has a urosurg residency there with a full load, I suspect if they where gonna get CCOM out of cookcounty they would shut down both programs
http://opportunities.osteopathic.or...program_id=152955&hosp_id=118789&returnPage=1

 

[Raed]

I just wanted to add that it appears the Cook County NS Program (CCOM) is no longer running. I had heard rumors in the pipeline that this program would be closed down. 🙁 http://www.cchil.org/medicineresidency/educationalprograms.html

The program just got approved again on 11/13/07. This info will be soon available on DO-opportunities web site. Also, you may call the program and ask them. I will be starting there in July, 2008 as PGY2. They are recruiting for PGY1 (2 spots).

I have spent two days with them last year. Compared to my undergraduate experience at JHU, and my fourth year sub-I also at JHU, Cook County is the place for those who are interested in broad spectrum of cases, and managing the very ill.

Raed PGY1

 

[HarveyCushing]

The program just got approved again on 11/13/07. This info will be soon available on DO-opportunities web site. Also, you may call the program and ask them. I will be starting there in July, 2008 as PGY2. They are recruiting for PGY1 (2 spots).

I have spent two days with them last year. Compared to my undergraduate experience at JHU, and my fourth year sub-I also at JHU, Cook County is the place for those who are interested in broad spectrum of cases, and managing the very ill.

Raed PGY1

Raed, thanks for the inside information. 👍 Thanks for clearing up the rumors I have heard. Isn't it a far stretch comparing it to JHU?

 

[Raed]

Raed, thanks for the inside information. 👍 Thanks for clearing up the rumors I have heard. Isn't it a far stretch comparing it to JHU?

No not really...For example, JHU does 20% craniotomy, 80% spinal compared to totally the opposite at Cook County. The pathology at CCH is more complicated than those at JHU just because of the pts' population. Trauma at CCH >> JHU. Ped > at JHU. In terms of journal clubs, grand rounds, anatomy lab are all done at Rush. JHU's name >>> CCH's name....However, there may be a bit of stretch as you said...Good Luck!

 

[BrainDoc22]

You have got to be kidding?
This program is on then off then on then off.
The Cook Co Program is not any good. There are no good candidates that have taken a postion there. there are begging for people. I would not be surprised to see this program faulter. It is considered one of the botton tier programs. If you have the grades go somewhere else. There is a reason a program goes unfilled, think about it.

 

[Raed]

You have got to be kidding?
This program is on then off then on then off.
The Cook Co Program is not any good. There are no good candidates that have taken a postion there. there are begging for people. I would not be surprised to see this program faulter. It is considered one of the botton tier programs. If you have the grades go somewhere else. There is a reason a program goes unfilled, think about it.

No one has said it was a good or a bad program. But, they just started in July 2006. Many MD and DO programs having difficulties filling positions/ retaining residents. For example:

Neurosurgery Residency: PGY-2 -2008

Last Updated:10/15/07
[FONT=arial,helvetica] 29278 University of Vermont / Fletcher Allen Health Care.
[FONT=arial,helvetica] DESCRIPTION: . Offering a PGY-2 position to begin on June 20, 2008.
Pre-requisites: Successful completion of PGY-1 year in an accredited Surgery Program.
Interested applicants please email, fax or mail the CAS application and support documents. Example of support documents: Cover Letter, CV or resume, personal statement, 3 letters of reference, college and medical school transcripts.

[FONT=arial,helvetica] CONTACT: . Bruce Tranmer MD
Professor & Chair, Division of Neurosurgery
[FONT=arial,helvetica] PHONE: . 802-847-3072
[FONT=arial,helvetica] FAX: . 802-847-0680
[FONT=arial,helvetica] EMAIL: . [email protected]
[FONT=arial,helvetica] WEB SITE: . http://www.fahc.org/Neurosurgery/index.html
[FONT=arial,helvetica] ADDRESS: . Fletcher Allen Health Care
111 Colchester Avenue
Burlington, VT 05401

[FONT=arial,helvetica] Additional Info: . Recently available R1 position for July 2008 in 6-year fully accredited Neurosurgery training program

[FONT=arial,helvetica] POSTED: . 10/15/07
[FONT=arial,helvetica] 22626 Georgetown University Hospital.
[FONT=arial,helvetica] DESCRIPTION: . Offering PGY-2, PGY-3, PGY-4 AND PGY-5 positions to begin training in July 2008. Successful completion of PGY-1 general surgery training and PGY-2, 3, or 4 in an accredited neurosurgery program if applicable.
Interested applicants please email or fax CAS application and support documents. Support documents:

• CAS Application
• Cover Letter
• CV or Resume
• College Trasncript
• Medical School Transcript
• USMLE Steps I, II and III
• Three letters of reference
• ECFMG Certificate (applicable to International Medical Graduates)

[FONT=arial,helvetica] CONTACT: . Tori Liedel
Associate Administrator, Surgical Specialty Education

[FONT=arial,helvetica] PHONE: . 202-444-7371
[FONT=arial,helvetica] FAX: . 202-444-7573
[FONT=arial,helvetica] EMAIL: . [email protected]
[FONT=arial,helvetica] WEB SITE: . http://www.georgetownuniversityhospital.org/body.cfm?id=1606
[FONT=arial,helvetica] ADDRESS: . Department of Neurosurgery
3800 Reservoir Road, NW 7PHC
Washington, DC 20007

[FONT=arial,helvetica] Additional Info: . This is a six year program that provides strong surgical training, exposure to various neurosurgery disciplines, and commitment to academic excellence. This is an expanding program which has openings for PGY-2, 3, 4, & 5 level residents for approved increase in resident complement.

[FONT=arial,helvetica] POSTED: . 09/24/07
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Neurosurgery Residency: PGY-2 -2009

PGY-2 vacancies to start training in July 2009 will be processed through the 2007 January Neurosurgery Residency Match.

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Neurosurgery Residency PGY-3 or Higher

Last Updated:09/24/07
[FONT=arial,helvetica] 22626 Georgetown University Hospital.
[FONT=arial,helvetica] DESCRIPTION: . Offering PGY-2, PGY-3, PGY-4 AND PGY-5 positions to begin training in July 2008. Successful completion of PGY-1 general surgery training and PGY-2, 3, or 4 in an accredited neurosurgery program if applicable.
Interested applicants please email or fax CAS application and support documents. Support documents:

• CAS Application
• Cover Letter
• CV or Resume
• College Trasncript
• Medical School Transcript
• USMLE Steps I, II and III
• Three letters of reference
• ECFMG Certificate (applicable to International Medical Graduates)

[FONT=arial,helvetica] CONTACT: . Tori Liedel
Associate Administrator, Surgical Specialty Education

[FONT=arial,helvetica] PHONE: . 202-444-7371
[FONT=arial,helvetica] FAX: . 202-444-7573
[FONT=arial,helvetica] EMAIL: . [email protected]
[FONT=arial,helvetica] WEB SITE: . http://www.georgetownuniversityhospital.org/body.cfm?id=1606
[FONT=arial,helvetica] ADDRESS: . Department of Neurosurgery
3800 Reservoir Road, NW 7PHC
Washington, DC 20007

[FONT=arial,helvetica] Additional Info: . This is a six year program that provides strong surgical training, exposure to various neurosurgery disciplines, and commitment to academic excellence. This is an expanding program which has openings for PGY-2, 3, 4, & 5 level residents for approved increase in resident complement.

[FONT=arial,helvetica] POSTED: . 09/24/07

[FONT=arial,helvetica] 228.24 University of South Florida .


[FONT=arial,helvetica] DESCRIPTION: . Offering a PGY-3 position to begin, 07/01/07
Prerequisites are as follows:

• Successful completion of general surgery (PGY-1) year; successful completion of PGY-2 (NS-1) year in an accredited neurosurgery program.

This position is open to foreign medical school graduates. Foreign medical school graduates must have the following :

• With above prerequisites and ECGMG certificate.

Interested applicants should submit the following documents by Email :

• CAS Application and Support Documents
• Cover Letter
• CV or Resume
• Letters of Reference (up to 3)
• US-MLE Step I
• US-MLE Step II
• US-MLE Step III
• ECFMG Certificate
• College Transcripts
• Medical Transcripts

[FONT=arial,helvetica] CONTACT: . Mimi Costello, Program Coordinator/Department Manager
[FONT=arial,helvetica] PHONE: . 813.259-0901
[FONT=arial,helvetica] FAX: . 813.259-0944
[FONT=arial,helvetica] EMAIL: . [email protected]
[FONT=arial,helvetica] WEB SITE: . www.hsc.usf.edu
[FONT=arial,helvetica] ADDRESS: . 4 Columbia Drive, Suite 730
Tampa, FL 33606
[FONT=arial,helvetica] Additional Info: . Expanding program has opening for PGY-3 level resident for approved increase in resident complement. Six year program with strong surgical training and commitment to academics.
[FONT=arial,helvetica] POSTED: . Fri May 04 13:34:13 PDT 2007
[FONT=arial,helvetica] 252.22 Washington University .


[FONT=arial,helvetica] DESCRIPTION: . Offering a PGY-3 position to begin, 07/01/07
Prerequisites are as follows:

• Offering PGY-3 or higher position to begin on 7/1/07. Successful completion of PGY 1 general surgery training and PGY 2, 3, or 4 in an accredited neurosurgery program. Must be able to qualify and obtain Missouri licensure. Interested applicants should submit documents by e-mail, fax, or mail.

This position is open to foreign medical school graduates. Foreign medical school graduates must have the following :

• Position open to foreign graduates with above prerequisites and ECFMG Certificate.

Interested applicants should submit the following documents by Email, Fax, Mail :

• CAS Application and Support Documents
• Cover Letter
• CV or Resume
• Personal Statement
• Letters of Reference (up to 3)
• US-MLE Step I
• US-MLE Step II
• US-MLE Step III
• ECFMG Certificate
• College Transcripts
• Medical Transcripts
• Submit complete CAS application if readily available

[FONT=arial,helvetica] CONTACT: . Susan M. Garland, Residency Coordinator
[FONT=arial,helvetica] PHONE: . 314-362-3636
[FONT=arial,helvetica] FAX: . 314-362-2107
[FONT=arial,helvetica] EMAIL: . [email protected]
[FONT=arial,helvetica] WEB SITE: .

[FONT=arial,helvetica] ADDRESS: . Department of Neurosurgery
Washington University
660 S. Euclid, Campus Box 8057
St. Louis, MO 63110
[FONT=arial,helvetica] Additional Info: . This is a six-year program which offers exposure to the neurosurgery disciplines, extensive surgical training, and provides protected time for research. The aim of the program is to provide trainees with the skills necessary for lifetime excellence in the clinical practice of neurosurgery.
[FONT=arial,helvetica] POSTED: . Tue Mar 27 15:48:23 PDT 2007

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And DO programs have vacancies at PCOM, NJ, NY,

The bottom line, you want to be at a place with a large amount of cases, and a good hands on experience. COOK COUNTY also offers research for those who are interested.

Good look BrainDOc22!

 

[HarveyCushing]

No not really...For example, JHU does 20% craniotomy, 80% spinal compared to totally the opposite at Cook County. The pathology at CCH is more complicated than those at JHU just because of the pts' population. Trauma at CCH >> JHU. Ped > at JHU. In terms of journal clubs, grand rounds, anatomy lab are all done at Rush. JHU's name >>> CCH's name....However, there may be a bit of stretch as you said...Good Luck!

DO you happen to know how many cases CCH does a year? If it is such a great place I wonder why Rush/UIC dropped their coverage? I think CCH has problems with funding/equipment at the momemnt with long delays for CT/MRI imaging at times.

 

[Raed]

DO you happen to know how many cases CCH does a year? If it is such a great place I wonder why Rush/UIC dropped their coverage? I think CCH has problems with funding/equipment at the momemnt with long delays for CT/MRI imaging at times.

Thank you for your interest...Rush/ UIC? dropped their coverage due to the 80 hrs rule...but still CCH is not Rush or UIC when it comes to funding. However, the program is utilizing Rush/ UIC for research, lectures, anatomy lab, and future fellowships.

Raed

 

[cremaster2007]

Couldnt it also be that most DOs choose to apply for allopathic residencies? (They can only apply to one or the other, right?)

you can apply for both. The san francisco match typically comes out about the time the DO rank list is due. If you match allopathic you have to take it no matter if you ranked a DO program higher. It is still difficult for DO's to match into allopathic spots. I believe 3 or 4 did last year, but it is an up hill battle. Last year when I applied there were 40 or so applicants with roughly 20 or so spots. I was told the year I interviewed all spots were filled, though the year before some people scrambled into spots. Basically competitiveness depends on the year and applicants. Even if there are only 25 applicants, if everyone is stellar that means 4 or 5 won't get in. Contacting the different programs to get information about how many spots they are taking, and why or why not they decided to leave spots unfilled is your best bet for getting an answer. There are stronger programs than others, and yes if programs are going to go unfilled it is usually the weaker ones, but every program has its + and - and you need to evaluate what is important in a program to you. Good luck everyone!

 

[Wyclef]

you can apply for both. The san francisco match typically comes out about the time the DO rank list is due. If you match allopathic you have to take it no matter if you ranked a DO program higher. It is still difficult for DO's to match into allopathic spots. I believe 3 or 4 did last year, but it is an up hill battle. Last year when I applied there were 40 or so applicants with roughly 20 or so spots. I was told the year I interviewed all spots were filled, though the year before some people scrambled into spots. Basically competitiveness depends on the year and applicants. Even if there are only 25 applicants, if everyone is stellar that means 4 or 5 won't get in. Contacting the different programs to get information about how many spots they are taking, and why or why not they decided to leave spots unfilled is your best bet for getting an answer. There are stronger programs than others, and yes if programs are going to go unfilled it is usually the weaker ones, but every program has its + and - and you need to evaluate what is important in a program to you. Good luck everyone!

Nice post. Thanks.

 

[HarveyCushing]

you can apply for both. The san francisco match typically comes out about the time the DO rank list is due. If you match allopathic you have to take it no matter if you ranked a DO program higher.

Interesting, I always thought/was under the impression that the DO match was before the MD. So even if you applied/interviewed at both DO and MD programs, if you matched at a DO you were automatically pulled out of the MD match. However if you skipped the DO match and did the MD, then you kinda pull all your eggs in one basket and hoped you matched into a MD program. Am I wrong, or is it different just for the NS match? Isn't DO NS part of the ERAS application?

 

[Pir8DeacDoc]

different for the NSurg match.

 

[cremaster2007]

Interesting, I always thought/was under the impression that the DO match was before the MD. So even if you applied/interviewed at both DO and MD programs, if you matched at a DO you were automatically pulled out of the MD match. However if you skipped the DO match and did the MD, then you kinda pull all your eggs in one basket and hoped you matched into a MD program. Am I wrong, or is it different just for the NS match? Isn't DO NS part of the ERAS application?

The SF match occurs very early. Due to this fact you can get away with applying to both. The year I interviewed applicants of the SF match found out the day our DO rank lists were due. It worked in their favor because they could hold out until the afternoon and if they didn't match then rank DO programs. If you match in the SF match you have to attend that program, just like if you match into your last ranked DO program you have to go there. DO NS is part of ERAS which is why it is all due sometime in the end of January. The SF match has a website which discusses all the allopathic specialties that use it. It isn't a bad idea to test the allopathic waters if you have competitive board scores, letters, and rotated at allopathic institutions. It still is not uncommon to be asked "why would we take you as a DO, over an MD with similar scores/application". Like I posted previously 3-4 people matched allopathic last year from DO schools, but obviously it is an exception more than the rule.

 

[rgarrig]

The SF match occurs very early. Due to this fact you can get away with applying to both. The year I interviewed applicants of the SF match found out the day our DO rank lists were due. It worked in their favor because they could hold out until the afternoon and if they didn't match then rank DO programs. If you match in the SF match you have to attend that program, just like if you match into your last ranked DO program you have to go there. DO NS is part of ERAS which is why it is all due sometime in the end of January. The SF match has a website which discusses all the allopathic specialties that use it. It isn't a bad idea to test the allopathic waters if you have competitive board scores, letters, and rotated at allopathic institutions. It still is not uncommon to be asked "why would we take you as a DO, over an MD with similar scores/application". Like I posted previously 3-4 people matched allopathic last year from DO schools, but obviously it is an exception more than the rule.

I know DOs can apply to MD residencies, but can (and do) MD students apply for DO NS residencies?

 

[Wyclef]

I know DOs can apply to MD residencies, but can (and do) MD students apply for DO NS residencies?

No, MD's can't apply to DO residencies. This rule applies to NS residencies as well.

 

[rgarrig]

No, MD's can't apply to DO residencies. This rule applies to NS residencies as well.

Yet we let those DOs apply to our residency programs??? BASTARDS!!!!

That's alright; nothing wrong with a little friendly competition.

 

[Fin2008]

Hi all...I'm new to this thread...but I was wondering if there were anyone who interviewed for a first year neurosurgery spot at Cook County for 2008? Are they really accepting applications? ... Is it too late to apply there even though they seem to be a new program?...Thanks, Fin

 

[BrainDoc22]

This is a has been. You are looking for too much love in all the wrong places if you think CCH has a good program. Don't kid yourself. There is a reason nothing has ever been able to survive. The few residents they have were being booted from the OR in favor of PAs. NICE.

If you are a DO and have the grades and really want to become a good Neuosurgeon, you would not choose CCH. That is a fact.

 

[Doctor]

Yet we let those DOs apply to our residency programs??? BASTARDS!!!!

That's alright; nothing wrong with a little friendly competition.

The main reason for this is that probably 80-90% of US medical students are MD students. It doesn't add much of an applicant load (+10-20%) for DOs to apply to the MD residencies, but allowing MDs to apply to DO residencies would increase the # of applicants by probably 300%, 500% or more.

If there were equal numbers of MD and DO students, it would be a lot easier to just allow both to apply for the other camp's residencies.

 

[Algorhythmik]

I keep hearing everyone saying that the quality of the D.O. NSx Residencies is disparate.
So, I have 3 questions:

1) CAN SOMEONE PLEASE LIST THE GOOD vs NOT-so-GOOD D.O. NEUROSURG RESIDENCIES???

Good Programs = ? 👍

Not-so-Good Programs = ? 👎


-and- 🙄


2) WHAT ALLO NEUROSURG PROGRAMS ARE OPEN TO D.O. APPLICANTS???

😀

Before you answer, I am aware that 3-4 kids got into Allo Programs a year or 2 ago. Places like SUNY, and either Kentucky or Kansas (I forget).

I ask because there are some that are def open to D.O's but just haven't accepted one yet. (i.e. "UPitt has interviewed qualified DO candidates in the past", verbatim, according to Dr. Doug Kondziolka, UPitt's NeuroSurg PD)


-and- 🙄


3) HOW WILL THE ALLO vs. OSTEO NEUROSURG MATCH-TIMING* WORK NOW THAT SF MATCH NO LONGER DOES NEUROSURG (AND ERAS/NRMP DOES)???

😕

MANY THANKS!

 

[Algorhythmik]

SO! BELOW are the officially Listed DO Residency Programs in Neurosurgery:​

which ones are the good ones and which are best to stay away from???​

OPTI-West/Arrowhead Regional MC/Riverside County Regional MC - Neurological Surg
Neurological Surgery
Colton
CA​

146437
MWU/CCOM/BroMenn Regional Med Ctr - Neurological Surgery Residency
Neurological Surgery
Bloomington
IL​

169707
MWU/CCOM/John H. Stroger, Jr. Hospital Cook County - Neurological Surgery Reside
Neurological Surgery
Chicago
IL​

128408
Garden City Hospital - Neurological Surgery Residency
Neurological Surgery
Garden City
MI​

169712
Providence Hospital - Neurological Surgery Residency
Neurological Surgery
Southfield
MI​

141327
NYCOM/Saint Barnabas Medical Center - Neurological Surgery Residency
Neurological Surgery
Livingston
NJ​

126116
NYCOM/Long Isl Jewish Med Ctr - Neurological Surgery Residency
Neurological Surgery
New Hyde Park
NY​

126130
OUCOM/Doctors Hospital - Neurological Surgery Residency
Neurological Surgery
Columbus
OH​

126154
OUCOM/Grandview Hosp & Med Ctr - Neurological Surgery Residency
Neurological Surgery
Dayton
OH​

126220
Philadelphia College Osteopathic Med - Neurological Surgery Residency
Neurological Surgery
Philadelphia
PA​

170276
EVVCOM/Carilion Medical Center - Neurological Surgery Residency
Neurological Surgery
Roanoke
VA​

 

[cremaster2007]

SO! BELOW are the officially Listed DO Residency Programs in Neurosurgery:​

which ones are the good ones and which are best to stay away from???​

OPTI-West/Arrowhead Regional MC/Riverside County Regional MC - Neurological Surg
Neurological Surgery
Colton
CA​

146437
MWU/CCOM/BroMenn Regional Med Ctr - Neurological Surgery Residency
Neurological Surgery
Bloomington
IL​

169707
MWU/CCOM/John H. Stroger, Jr. Hospital Cook County - Neurological Surgery Reside
Neurological Surgery
Chicago
IL​

128408
Garden City Hospital - Neurological Surgery Residency
Neurological Surgery
Garden City
MI​

169712
Providence Hospital - Neurological Surgery Residency
Neurological Surgery
Southfield
MI​

141327
NYCOM/Saint Barnabas Medical Center - Neurological Surgery Residency
Neurological Surgery
Livingston
NJ​

126116
NYCOM/Long Isl Jewish Med Ctr - Neurological Surgery Residency
Neurological Surgery
New Hyde Park
NY​

126130
OUCOM/Doctors Hospital - Neurological Surgery Residency
Neurological Surgery
Columbus
OH​

126154
OUCOM/Grandview Hosp & Med Ctr - Neurological Surgery Residency
Neurological Surgery
Dayton
OH​

126220
Philadelphia College Osteopathic Med - Neurological Surgery Residency
Neurological Surgery
Philadelphia
PA​

170276
EVVCOM/Carilion Medical Center - Neurological Surgery Residency
Neurological Surgery
Roanoke
VA​

NYCOM NSUH/LIJ
PROVIDENCE
PCOM
BROMENN
VIRGINIA
COLUMBUS
ARROWHEAD

were all good the year I interviewed. Programs change yearly so you need to really rotate, contact programs, and get a feeling for them.

I have heard discouraging things about Garden City, Dayton, Cook County, and St. Barnabas.

 

[LoggerLnMn]

With very little information out about DO Neurosurgery programs on their websites, it would be great to hear any news from anyone regarding programs (DO/MD) and applications would be great!

 

[HarveyCushing]

NYCOM NSUH/LIJ
PROVIDENCE
PCOM
BROMENN
VIRGINIA
COLUMBUS
ARROWHEAD

I would agree except I would take Bromenn and Arrowhead off. Bromenn unfortunately does very little cranial and does 80% spine. I talked to a few guys that rotated there and they said it is very over rated. Also they operate out of a ~220 bed hospital which just doesn't give you the volume that you need to be competent. Also I believe they only have 3 faculty neurosurgeons in the program. Based on its location, all the good cases will be going to Peoria, St. Louis, or Indianapolis. Not sure I would rank this program that high on the list.

Arrowhead I have been told is operated on a top down basis. I think they only have 2 spots a year, but take 3 interns and let them battle it out for their spots. Not really something that speaks volume about a program. I wouldn't rank this program all that high either.

 

[gmacpac]

Hi,

I apologize in advance if my question is not exactly topic specific. I have an acceptance into a DO med school and a UK (allopathic med school).

I am very happy with both choices, but I want to base my final decision based on the type of residency match each route offers/limits.

I was pretty much confirmed to go to the DO program because of its reputatioon and its proximity to my social support system, but one of my co-workers told me to consider foreign MD only because DO's dont usually match into surgical specialties. I know this sounds a bit stretched, but given the situation, I just wanted to see what some other folks on SDN had to say about this considering most of you have already been though this process.

Any help and guidance will be greatly appreciated.

 

[cremaster2007]

It is true that some allopathic programs in surgical specialties aren't very DO friendly, but there are programs that interview/take DO's. There are also some good DO surgical programs. Foreign medical grads also have a difficult time matching into surgery. Many of them have to do multiple prelim years before they match categorically. You need to pick the school that you feel you will get the best education, because in the end the better grades/letters/board scores you get the higher your chances are of matching into either. I also want to point out that I had many friends who were positive they were going to do surgery and they ended up doing things like ER and Radiology.

Hi,

I apologize in advance if my question is not exactly topic specific. I have an acceptance into a DO med school and a UK (allopathic med school).

I am very happy with both choices, but I want to base my final decision based on the type of residency match each route offers/limits.

I was pretty much confirmed to go to the DO program because of its reputatioon and its proximity to my social support system, but one of my co-workers told me to consider foreign MD only because DO's dont usually match into surgical specialties. I know this sounds a bit stretched, but given the situation, I just wanted to see what some other folks on SDN had to say about this considering most of you have already been though this process.

Any help and guidance will be greatly appreciated.

 

[Whatsyourname]

I'm doing a rotation in NS at garden city, it was hard as a third year to find a spot to let me rotate. DOes anyone know anything about this site? I just want to see whether or not i like NS

 

[sideways]

CCOM has a urosurg residency there with a full load, ...

 

[Hindiana_Jones]

I know this thread is old, but can anyone provide any insight into why the cook county program is a poor program? What are the stats required for a DO NS residency ( class rank, COMLEX, publications, etc). I know the higher the better, but I would like to know what is considered competitive.

 

[Ilovelamp]

I know on the interview trail this year there were a TON of DO students interviewing for MD spots. So maybe more of the MD spots are filling and the DO spots are going unfilled.

 

[Whatsyourname]

is there any info on OUCOM/doctors? Seems like they do the entire 6 years at Grant medical center which is level 1 trauma, and they don't see much vascular cases (don't know if this is good or bad)?