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preludexl

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Hrmm, I was browsing through the pages and saw an argument over med students and dental students. Hrmmm, hard choice. I'm sure there are med students who couldnt get in and ended up in dentistry. Well, sucks to be them....since that's what they will be doing for the rest of their lives. I've been working in a hospital gaining my clinical experience for over a year now. Everyday I wonder why I want to be a doctor. Constant on call, constant driving from 1 hospital to the next. Even the lowly GP or Internist is constantly either called in or called for to inform them the status of a patient. Patients are unruly, dirty, and smelly often times. But, somehow I still like the idea of being able to treat them. Oh yes, insurance companies will give you the run around, pay you 40% of what you billed, and not pay you for months some times. Being a solo doctor is almost out of the question.
Now being a dentist. I have followed a dentist around for over 3 months...specifically my dentist. My grandpa has contributed greatly to the field of dentistry and loves his field, having spent the greater part of his life teaching and researching dentistry. He is happy and content with what he has accomplished. He is an old man of 86+ now, but still actively involves himself all the time in matters of advice, fundraising, and speaking functions. Now, why wouldnt I choose this profession? You work 4 days per week, in your own practice and are never on call.

There is no purpose in making a lot of money if you can't spend it. Let's face it, everyone cares about the money no matter what they say about how caring, compassionate they are about fellow man (and woman). Anyone who says otherwise is a liar, unless they do nothing but work for chickens and bacon (which their are some, the country doctors out there...but they are a rare minority).

So, I wonder why anyone would even bring up a comparison about dentistry and medicine. If you are going to do that, why not compare a GP vs. a Cardiologist vs. a Anesthesiologist vs. Radiologist vs. Cardiothoracic surgeon vs. Maxillofacial surgeon. The list goes on and on. Any fool who compares is gravely mistaken and forgets that there is ALWAYS someone smarter than you.
As for the title of Doctor. Has anyone seen the amount of doctors out there? PhD's, dentists, medical doctors, chiropractors, acupuncturist, etc....there are even those who call themselves sex doctors who are nothing more than sociologist wannabes who have overused their libido.

When I was contemplating about choosing the dental route...my friends teased me about working with someone's mouth all the time and the high rate of suicide amongst them. Well, I've found an answer to these comments. Is looking up someone's teeth any worse than a GI doctor who looks up someone's a$$??? Anyone seen GI pics..yes those gastrointestinal pictures. It is worse than it sounds, because I doubt the majority of you have seen ulcers, or tumors growing in a rectum. So what you say...hrmm, let's look at the emergency room doctor, I've witnessed some stanky and gross people in there. Women with tumors that have spread and grown to the size of 15 pounds worth of abscess dead tissue that was formerly a breast. I wont go into detail how gross it was or the puss, etc. there, but suffice to say, everyone wore gloves and masks. So, is looking into someone's mouth that bad after the hygenist has already cleaned it? Hrmmm, perhaps but I doubt in the same dimensions.

My 2 cents.

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Oh yes I forgot. I still havent decided which profession to pursue. I have a good chance in dentistry and a chance in medicine still. I have a brother who is an anesthesiologit and another one in the way to be another medical specialist. My gf wants to be a heart surgeon. There is really no need for me to be a doctor anymore. There are enough ppl in my circle to take care of the patients out there. I can be a dentist or a doctor. It will be a hard choice, hopefully I will choose the path right for me. Either one is a noble profession. Mecicine is nice because it is more invasive...after all who has ever died from a toothache? But when someone does have a toothache, I have not seen one who is not in tears when the pain is so bad they cant eat, drink, or talk. Goodluck to you all, whatever you choose to do. If you try hard enough, you'll get in. Nevermind the idiot who bashes you who thinks he is all that after getting in. Because quite frankly, I've met a lot of great doctors from very prestigious places, who have well known names...who are the *****s who come here and bash? What title have you? And when you do get that title...do you think you will be respected by the hospital staff? From the cna, to the lpn, to the rn, to the x-ray tech, to the cardio tech, to the cath lab tech, to the echo tech, etc. etc., nah, if you are lame, the hospital staff will pick you apart like a vulture....as will the doctors themselves.
 
Maybe this will help you in your decision..http://www.nymag.com/page.cfm?page_id=5044

If you really wanted to become a physician, you would know it and wouldn't doubt it. I think your crack about patients being smelly, dirty and unruly is uncalled for, arrogant and rude. It pains me someone who is even thinking about medicine would say those things.

Alicia
 
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Hrmm, Alicia. Well I'm sorry to hear that. It will probably pain you even more than we joke and laugh when we are resuscitating patients that have come in coded and we have to manually compress their heart and bag them. Yes, there are patients who reek. You won't find any emergency doctor or cardiologist who would dress their state of condition in pretty words for you.
 
"To each his own"
-a good doctor

Oh yes, I have one comment to make. It's sad that the poor doctors there have decreased salaries from 300,000 to in the 200s or 100s. How in the world did an internist make so much? Oh yes, and forced to drive an Acura? I only wish my misfortune was that fortunate. Private schools for his kids? Geez, one of the cardiologists here who started his own group in the 80s sent his daughter to the public schools. My grandpa the dentist and professor trucks around in a GMC Sarfari minivan. His luxury car was an early 90s Buick.
 
snowballz,
The link was interesting, but the comparison between salaries of beginning pediatricians and new lawyers did not reveal the total market picture. Almost any newly licensed pediatrician can expect to make near $100,000 per year. On the other hand, only a select number of law school graduates are picked up by the big firms and given six figure salaries plus perks to start. No pediatrician, absent blatant incompetence or moral failing, is likely to be handed a termination notice during their career. The game in the prestigious law firms (where the big money is made) is much different. It is basically up or out for those boys. The partners in the big firms usually purge the underlings each year in order to make room for new talent coming out of the law schools. If it is determined that you are not partner material, you will at some point be asked to leave.
 
Alicia,
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and I'm sure there are a LOT of doctors out there that complain about their patients...that's just the reality of it, doctors aren't perfect people. Anyway, I don't think that was the point of his post, but if he really can't stand the smell, etc, then hopefully he will not pursue medicine. Good luck to all :)
 
PS, my mom's a pediatrician, and although she's NEVER bad-mouthed a patient, she's had many things to say about their parents :rolleyes:
 
Well, isn't that novel. A parent being interested in the welfare of their child. (They do have a right to be.) I know parents can overdramatize, but also, when the life of the child is at stake, I don't believe anything is out of line. BUT, if the kids got a sore throat, that is another thing. I think it involves you putting yourself in their shoes.

I know his post was not meant that way, but his comment about dirty, smelly and unruly patients got under my skin. If they need help, you help them regardless...and don't complain. Without them, you wouldn't be making a salary. Ask a physician whether they would like to treat a dirty patient or not receive a paycheck.

Alicia
 
here's one example:

Imagine getting a phone call when you're on call for emergencies only: "My 12 yr old son swallowed gum"!...yes some parents can be downright annoying!
 
Then you say "Make sure his butt doesn't stick together." :)

Alicia
 
that's cute :)
 
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Snowballz, it's very interesting in reading your comments. I'm sorry but you make no sense whatsoever. You take some words and you leave out others. My purpose in writing what I did was in retort to a post I read where this one med student came and knocked on dental students. My family has both mediical and dental bonds....that leaves me neutral. My main point was let whoever be what they chose to be...not one better than the other.

However, it's obvious you are trying to start something, well missy, if you are going to do something like that, at least make it valid. Anyone can read what I posted to see for themselves whatI wrote...but let me quote myself what I DID write. I never said all patients were smelly, unruly, etc, I said oftentimes. It's always funny to me how people who have never worked in areas of the Emergency Room or Intensive Care to know what goes on in there....let me tell you TV's ER is nothing. Sure you see some things, but you don't see 90% of real medicine practiced there. Those idiots rush frantically to take someone with secondary degree heart block into surgery...in real life, we don't even consider them stat cases unless they go into 3rd degree heart block...and a cardiologist will definitely not do anything invasive for 2ndary blockage. The majority of my post was spent in telling one how hectic and hard being a doctor is and that one HAS to like it in order to go through all these hoops in a daily basis. You forget to mention that at the end of my quote about unruly smelly patients...that despite it all, I still would like to be able to treat them. You shouldnt be a doctor or a lawyer, with your ability to focus on words and not sentences, thereby bending someone's words to what you want them to be, you should be a lawyer. I said:

"I've been working in a hospital gaining my clinical experience for over a year now. Everyday I wonder why I want to be a doctor. Constant on call, constant driving from 1 hospital to the next. Even the lowly GP or Internist is constantly either called in or called for to inform them the status of a patient. Patients are unruly, dirty, and smelly often times. But, somehow I still like the idea of being able to treat them. Oh yes, insurance companies will give you the run around, pay you 40% of what you billed, and not pay you for months some times. Being a solo doctor is almost out of the question."


Oh yes, that article you pasted. What a bunch of baloney. My question is how in the world did a simple Internist..who is only 1 rank higher than a general practitoner earn 300,000 per year? Hrmmm. Plus he is forced to drive an Acura instead of a Mercedes!!!!
Well heaven forbid. One invasive cardiologist here drives a Rav4 to work and antoher drives an Integra. Got bills to pay sending his kids to private school? Wow. I am speechless to such hardships, especially for an internist. I will keep my peace on this topic now.
 
I just want to say, I HAVE had experience in an ICU. I have been a volunteer AND a patient. I think you need to realize you are not the only one with medical experience. Many of us on this board have had more medical experience than you have. Not me personally, but many others. You seem very arrogant to the fact you have worked in a hospital. If everyone who had worked in an ER had come forth this thread would be a mile long. It is part of being a premed. Get over it. And please, don't call me Missy. I left out words because I was late for class and in a rush. If you cannot fill the missing words in, that is your own stupidity.

Maybe you should look up my post about why I wanted to be a physician before you judge MY experiences, in regards to your own. Who the hell is stupid enough to let a premed into a trauma setting? My god, the liabilities.

The article was sent to me by my college advisor because SHE thought it was interesting. I posted it only because it was pertinent to the subject at hand. Money has never been an issue in my decision to persue medicine.

And thank you for telling us how hectic it is being a physician. Fore thank the Lord, you are the only one here who knows. (Note sarcasm.) You also noted some in your family were physicians. Most of us can tell most of your information is second hand..from your family.

I am not trying to start anything. I dislike and avoid conflict whenever possible. However, I still believe your comments about patients being dirty and unruly was uncalled for and stupid.

Alicia
 
preludexl,

Thanks for a wonderful post...anyone who actually read your comments as a whole and understood them can see how maturely, and honestly, you approached the subject. You didn't "bash" either dentistry or medicine, you just honestly presented facets of each. Too bad some can't see that and are fixated on pulling things out of context or trying to make a big deal out of things you didn't even say......oh well! I actually went to med school first and finished all the basic science classes before deciding to switch to dentistry (which was my first love). You're absolutely right when you say you shouldn't pursue either unless you're completely behind the decision. Both are VERY long roads and life-long commitments not to be taken on lightly. For me, it was a growing recognition that my personality, expectations from life, and love of more hands-on work made me better suited for dentistry...sure I could've been a CT surgeon and done invasive procedures all day, but I'd like my career to be just that, not my life. Dentists work 4 days/wk (or less) and make the same salary as internists w/no call and much more time for themselves while still delivering critical health care and building trusting relationships w/patients. Specialists have it even better (great pay, easy hrs.) w/ much grueling residencies. Anyway, I have the utmost respect for those who pursue either profession and just hope we can all view each other as future colleagues w/unique motivations and desires...... :) :cool:
 
I think preludexl needs to remember that it takes more than the want of money to become a doctor. You must have passion, kindness, understanding, and most of all the need and want to help others. I don't care how much "scut work" or nights on call, I have to endure, as long as I get the chance to help ppl. Money is not something that matters to me either as long as my family and I are happy. I personally have been volunteering my time to heath related organizations for the past 10 yrs. I have done everything from being a volunteer firefighter and ambulance attendant to providing free health care to the homeless and underprivileged (totaling 8000 volunteer hrs all together), and I have loved every single minute of it! For me every smelly, dirty, drunk, combative, etc, patient I see and or treat makes me realize how much I want to be a doctor.
 
I found what you said quite truthful. I know a lot of predental and premedical students and a majority of them are fakes. I find it hard to believe people who will walk over each other to get an A. People who refuse to share notes because they don't want other people to get an A to be kind and thoughtful of their patients. Your post was quite interesting on how different it is in the real world. I thought doctors were all these brilliant people too until my dad got hospitalized. I've never seen so much useless tests in my life. Three days worth of hospital stay, a battery of tests, and surgery to find out that it was the blood pressure medicine that caused him to faint!It's hilarious to read Snowballz telling us how she has been exposed to medicine because she was a candystriper and a patient in a hospital. LOLOLOL. I volunteered in a hospital in my high school explorer's class. We got towels, books, magazines, and played with the wheelchairs. I will be the first to admit that volunteers do menial things. I worked in the emrgency room too. They made me help clean the beds!!! Preludexl dude never mind that wench. :p If you ask me she sounds like one of those silly blabbermouths at school no one listens to.
 
Alicia, you wrote something along these lines:
"Oh I find your comments insulting"
and then
"I despise conflict in all its forms"

Get real. You call someone "arrogant and insulting" and then you expect there to be no conflict?
If you don't have anything constructive to add to this thread, then I suggest you go back to your premed forum and leave us aspiring dentists be. If you're so sure you want to be a physician, why are you browing this part of the website? Maybe its because you don't have a life, which makes the medical proffession ideal for you. Sorry, that was a cheap shot. It's true though if you consider your own article.

I appreciate preludexl's frankness concerning the subject. I think its true that although we are all concerned with helping others, there is an obvious displeasure when it comes to treating certain patients. Those who fail to acknowledge atleast a certain degree of displeasure are lying to themselves. Alicia said,
"If they need help, you help them regardless...and don't complain."

Yeah, you think? Your attempts at putting yourself on higher moral ground are pretty transparent.

ffff..., I'm sorry about this, seriously. It's just that it's so hypocritical to call other phonies when it comes choosing medicine "for the right reasons". Go out and see the real world before making comments like those.

Preludexl, you keep addressing the US as "there" are you in Canada too? Once again, I think your post showed a great deal of maturity. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but atleast you're being honest with yourself and with others.
 
I think I've come across as another one of those kids whose only in it for the money, and maybe also that I'm some kind of jerk. Well it's true that I do enjoy a verbal tussle now and then with people whom I don't believe are being honest with themselves, or who act as if they know everything.

I agree with Fossa (by the way, the 8000+ hrs is amazing, good job) in that it takes more than greed to be a good doctor, and that some human qualities are essential to helping others. however, there is a financial/material aspect, however small, when it comes to choosing medicine or dentistry as proffessions. Or else, we'd all be volunteers/nuns/priests/missionaries overseas working with HIV+ children in Ethiopia and illiterate farmers in Peru.

Alicia, I apologize for my rudeness, I was really out of line.
 
Good point hombre. I agree with you about people being fakes. I despise that type myself. I like dentistry and I know that one of the perks is that we will be financially comfortable in our old age. Next to doctors (gee I wonder why) we are the second highest grossing profession. You always hear about greedy lawyers and doctors. How often do you hear of a greedy dentist? The only reason I can think of Mother Alicia (that's sarcasm too in case your stupidity won't allow you to grasp it) posting in a dental forum is if she was looking for an argument to begin with. Transparent indeed. Premeds used to make fun of predental and say we have the highest suicide rate. I bet it's mostly premeds who couldnt get into medical school and so go into dentistry who committ suicide. I dont see any stress in working on people's pearly whites. Good post Preludexl. I think you are honest at least.
 
Let's continue this thread. It is growing. I'm curious as to why other people are choosing dentistry. If you were a medical student and you chose dentistry because you couldnt get in. Thats fine too as long as you are a good dentist. I chose dentistry because it allows me to work with my hands. I can sculpt someone's smile and it makes me happy. I think eeryone has noticed people who are afraid to smile because they have crooked teeth or stained teeth. Why not help people smile? I think it's a great profession.
 
Yeah, we should continue this thread. I enjoy working with my hands as well, especially with little things. I also enjooy art, and i've heard that dentistry is a combination of art and science, so hopefully that will work out well for me.
Also, I'm pretty empathetic, so certain aspects of medicine don't appeal to me, in that I'd hate telling someone they had two weeks to live, or that they were going to be orphaned, or that they'd have to lose a limb. Moreover, I think that with dentistry you can always do something to help someone, whether it's help them look better or extract a painful tooth or whatever. With medicine, sometimes there's nothing you can do for someone. I've always hated the feeling of being powerless to do anything about someone's problems.

Well, those are my "humane" reasons. I also want to be able to run my own buisness, be my own boss, and make a decent living at the same time to provide for my loved ones. And to get myself a sweeeeet ride. ha.
 
I guess I chose dentistry because I wanted a career and a life, not a career that is my life. By the way, my class is full of people who got into med school and turned it down for dentistry :cool:
 
Big Poppa
What do think of Marquette,it's one of the schools I'm considering. Is the new building on scheduele to be finished at the start of 2002?
 
i'll tell you one of the main reasons I decided on dentistry. I'm an older student (28), and with pre-reqs, it's a 6 year commitment for me. I simply felt that a 9-10 year commitment for an MD was simply too much, not to mention overnight call, residency and fear of lawsuits and making death-transpiring mistakes. I also like the idea of being my own boss and hiring my own staff, and not being subject to the hierarchy of a hospital. Other reasons include being a known member of your community, much like a pastor, congressman hairstylist, teacher, etc. And I like the hours and flexibility, too. Personally, I've found that I like dentistry. But to be honest, initially, the decision was marked by my thoughts that the life of an MD and the process by which to get there was simply too high, and i never would have considered it.
 
anamod,

The new building seems to be on time to open for next fall. I don't know about the curriculum because it is all changing, but I do understand that less lab work will be in the new curriculum. As for my clinic experience, it was probably average as compared to most people, but I had to struggle to get patients in. Overall, the Pre-clinic was a lot of hands on and talking to most people who transferred from other schools say our pre clinic is good.

Hope this helps, Good luck
 
Hi stdent9972,I'm in exactly the same position as you! Same age, same decisons, etc. I can't start my pre-reqs until next semester, which will take at least 2 years BEFORE dental or med. school, as I have to work full-time and could manage only 2 classes at most per semester.

My first inclination was toward medicine--primary care. But densitry is also an excellent way to provide primary care, and I love the idea of being able to provide for my family sooner. Please keep us updated about your experiences; I'd love to hear about them!

Can anyone here recommend a good denistry school in FL?

And in closing, I'd just like to say that I never understood the whole doctor vs. dentist thing. Every person in the world needs both and neither profession is more vital than the other. Both are crucial professions to ensure health and longevity, and I'd be thrilled to be part of either.
 
Rhys,
Those are what draws the majority of dental students. Anyway, for your question...it's the University of Florida.

You can take a look at the rest of the dental schools here.

dental schools
 
Oh one more thing. Thanks for the post Waiting. I appreciate it and am glad someone took the time out to read my original posts word for word and see truthfully what I was just trying to say.
 
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monster2
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posted August 06, 2001 07:34 PM
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It's hard to grasp how dentistry have all these requirements when reality is, all a dentist ever does is look for cavities, fill them or extract teeth. There is very little science involved. Even laughable is the purpose of the DAT. I understand the MCATs screen premeds and give some preparation on the analytical side of diagnosis and treatment. But DATs test you for what?
Heck, to tell you the truth, dentistry should just be a regular 4 year program or less post high school. It's amazing to see why dentists call themselves doctors, when they are just pseudodoctors. Comt to think of it, nursing should have more right to the doctor label than a dentist.

Now that I'm in medical school (sorry to shatter some of you who thought I couldn't make it... it looks like the laugh's on you, har har har), the thoughts I've been given to you earlier are now confirmed. Most of the MS1s had dentistry as their backup, especially those with less than stellar stats. This is in reference to some of you (those who have responded to my post last month or so) stating otherwise. I really would like to hear where people get this strong desire for dentistry over medicine (as some of you have said before) when dentistry does not offer the challenge and scope medicine has.


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Ever hear of oral cancer or periodontal disease? Its amazing how ignorant some people can be. I am not going to justify why dentists are oral physicians not just tooth technicians because anyone with common sense knows how knowledgable and skillful a good dentist is. As for nurses having more rights to being called doctors, its funny because my friend who is a nurse laughs at how much more she knows than the med students and even the first year residents. :mad:
 
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