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why did rainbow babies only match 10/24?

Discussion in 'Pediatrics' started by mhdousa, May 6, 2002.

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  1. mhdousa

    mhdousa Member 7+ Year Member

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    Hey all,
    I'm a 3rd year student hoping to match in peds.
    I was just curious why Rainbow Babies (Case
    Western) only matched 10 out 24 spots (according
    to the scutwork.com unfilled programs list) because, as far as I've been told by my attendings, this program is very reputable in academic peds.
    Any insight would be appreciated.
    Thanks!
    -M
     
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  3. coop

    coop Senior Member 10+ Year Member

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    the stats on scutwork are notoriously incorrect... I don't know that this is the case for this particular program, but it seems likely

    *****The below was edited after other posts*****
    I was passing along info that I had heard on this forum, in actuality I don't know anything about the validity of those stats so trust Kimberly and the others who posted below.
     
  4. Jim Picotte

    Jim Picotte Senior Member 7+ Year Member

    Looking at the unmatched programs, I got 10/24 for University Hospitals of Cleveland for Pediatrics. This is from NRMP.
     
  5. njbmd

    njbmd Guest Moderator Emeritus 5+ Year Member

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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by mhdousa:
    <strong>Hey all,
    I'm a 3rd year student hoping to match in peds.
    I was just curious why Rainbow Babies (Case
    Western) only matched 10 out 24 spots (according
    to the scutwork.com unfilled programs list) because, as far as I've been told by my attendings, this program is very reputable in academic peds.
    Any insight would be appreciated.
    Thanks!
    -M</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hi there,

    The stats put out even on the unfilled list only reflect those positions that were filled through the Match. Sometimes a great program will fill the rest of their slots during the Scramble even though it shows that they have openings. Some programs choose not to fill all of their alloted slots. The way the Match computer works is still somewhat shady. I know that programs can make deals and still participate in the Match.
     
  6. Winged Scapula

    Winged Scapula Cougariffic! Staff Member Administrator Physician Faculty Lifetime Donor Classifieds Approved 15+ Year Member

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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by coop:
    <strong>the stats on scutwork are notoriously incorrect... I don't know that this is the case for this particular program, but it seems likely</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Those stats are downloaded directly from the NRMP site. Any inaccuracies are from the NRMP not Scutwork.
     
  7. jdaasbo

    jdaasbo Senior Member 10+ Year Member

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    regarding the NRMP data: spots filled outside of the match are not offered through the match at all, and thus are not reflected in the total number of slots offered. This is why some programs at community hospitals may appear to have only three internal medicine slots, whereas in reality they take fifteen. The NRMP data is 100% accurate-they are the guys that decide who matches to where. Program directors have it in their best interest to tell you otherwise if their institutions did not fill. The vast majority of the unfilled slots fill during the scramble.
     
  8. mhdousa

    mhdousa Member 7+ Year Member

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    okay, so going back to the original question:
    does anyone who is familiar with the situation
    at case western know why only 10/24 spots filled
    through the match?

    -M
     
  9. ether

    ether Junior Member 7+ Year Member

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    First of all if NRMP says that program filled only 10/24 then it is 100% true.

    The only mistake made here sounds like that of the program!!

    For a program to not fill is pretty embarrasing and especially by that much. Considering it is such a good peds. hospital maybe the program had a short rank list and had the opinion of either we fill with the people we want or we just leave the rest open.

    OR they just made they mistake of not ranking enough canidates.

    There are endless reason why they might not have matched 100%. These are just some possibilities. The only way to really know is ask the PD of the program what happened.
     
  10. jdaasbo

    jdaasbo Senior Member 10+ Year Member

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    like they would tell you.

    The reason why is that the PD and powers in charge seriously overestimated their program's competitiveness when drafting their rank list of candidates interviewed. A program not filling is no different from an applicant not matching. Both situations happen when one does not accurately appreciate their "desirability".
     
  11. jdaasbo

    jdaasbo Senior Member 10+ Year Member

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    let me add, that a program having such poor match results should cause future applicants to seriously question what is going on at that program (ie. quality).
     
  12. drfeelgood

    drfeelgood Born-again Baseball Fan 15+ Year Member

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    I think PEDS and other Primary Care spots are wide open this year b/c the it's hard to pay back a $200,000+ loan making 98K a year in the 50% tax break.

    That's why I dropped out of PEDS and plan to do PEDS Anesthesia.

    Perhaps You have rich parents.....
     
  13. ether

    ether Junior Member 7+ Year Member

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    I have to totally agree with the analogy of how this could happen being the same way an applicant doesn't get matched.

    I also agree that u should look to see if they didn't match because of any problems in the program, but warn not to stop looking at a program just because the didn't match. Now if they CLASSICALY don't match that is another story.

    p.s. When I said the only way to know for sure is to ask the P.D. I meant that sarcastically. Of course, he would never tell u the truth proving there is NO way to know the truth UNLESS u know somebody personally in the program who could give u the REAL scoop.

    Good luck.
     
  14. Snoopy

    Snoopy Senior Member 10+ Year Member

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    Well, the word here at Case is that the residents got together and told applicants not to come to the program. After doing my rotation at RB&C it was readily apparent that there is a lot of dissatisfaction with the program and a lot of burn-out. I'm not a pediatrics oriented person but there's no way I would choose RB&C if I was looking for a residency in peds.
     
  15. mhdousa

    mhdousa Member 7+ Year Member

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    ahhh...finally, a legitimate and specific
    answer to my question. thanks for the info,
    snoopy!

    -M
     
  16. Juice

    Juice Junior Member 7+ Year Member

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    The program did not fill. A friend of mine did not match in ortho, and took a spot in their peds proram for this year....
     
  17. UFPatch16

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    I agree with the previous 2 posts - I had a very negative experience on my interview and quickly/easily deciphered the residents were complaining a lot, not very enthusiastic and seemed to sort of "bean count" their days off and time away from the hospital. It came off like they hated being there and were counting down the time until they could get away.

    Also intern classes each have their own personality just like a program does. It is also possible their class did not recruit very well in their interview dinners etc. If it is a program you were very seriously considering definitely still interview there but I would be very blunt with your questions about these concerns.
     
  18. BigRedBeta

    BigRedBeta Why am I in a handbasket? Physician 10+ Year Member

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    Why did you revive a thread from 9 years ago?
     
  19. generic

    generic Senile Member 10+ Year Member

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    Wow, someone's been thinking about that 2002 interview for a LONG time...haha ;)
     
  20. motorola

    motorola 2+ Year Member

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    LOL I think rainbow babies has been matching fully for last few years now!
     
  21. oldbearprofessor

    oldbearprofessor Administrator Rocket Scientist Physician Faculty SDN Advisor 10+ Year Member

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    closing. Start a new thread if you want to discuss the program or any other program. They don't deserve a 9 year old hit on their reputation.:thumbdown:
     

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