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Why is Allopathic school favored over Osteopathic?

Discussion in 'Pre-Medical - MD' started by JRWPREMED, Feb 10, 2012.

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  1. JRWPREMED

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    I was unaware that so many people had asked about this topic on this forum. I would like to state that my original post was not a "DO vs. MD" topic; I was asking why people prefer one over the other. I am well aware of the differences in the two.

    On another note, thank you for all of the replies to this post. I'm new to the site and I've enjoyed reading the small debates that have taken place. Some of this information just can't be found in articles (or on med school websites) and the forum system of communication is very helpful due to that inconvenience.
     
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  3. Barcu

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    :D:thumbup:
     
  4. willen101383

    willen101383 10+ Year Member

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    No problem...like any forum, if you just join and ask a question you are going to get $hit on. I am guilty of doing this same stuff on other forums I frequent for various other hobbies of mine.
     
  5. willen101383

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    My fave part: "good girl" "owwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww" haha.

    I have 3 dogs so I am a sucker for dog cuteness :)
     
  6. BurntFlower

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  8. BA11

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    The unfortunate stigma that comes with being a DO doesnt help for sure.
     
  9. BurntFlower

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    Is the stigma really that strong? From my own experience, it doesn't seem like people care all that much.
     
  10. aSagacious

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    Merging related threads

     
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    Merging related threads

     
  12. ppfizenm

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    But why? They are all so different and diverse and there have been so many of them in the past 24 hours.
     
  13. BA11

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    Simply put, there's still a lot of people who don't think DOs are as qualified or well-trained or whatever as MDs. Even among people who know there isnt much difference anymore, it affects decisions because of public perception.

    Honestly, I've met quite a few people not involved in the medical field who don't even know what a DO is let alone know they are just as qualified as an MD. I shadowed a DO who said he has had patients cancel and even walk out of the office when they found out he was a DO. People think it's MD-light, so to speak.
     
  14. willen101383

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    There is def a "stigma" that goes alone with matching but out in the real world I have yet to see this exist in terms of clinical medicine...and ive been out in the work world for a while prior to med school. Sure in academic medicine its there and we all know it but in my experience nobody cares. And for every pt that gives a ****...100s more will be glad to use your services.
     
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  16. Kadava Reviva

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    It's all due to the fact that, in the long, long ago, DOs were not recognised as physicians, but as some sort of alternative health professionals. This is still the case for ostheopaths trained outside the U.S., who cannot write scripts or perform surgery. Now that they are full fledged physicians, the profession is still stygmatised from the old days and less people want to be DOs as opposed to "real" MDs. Because of this, the admission standards are more lax, resulting in DOs having a harder time matching, resulting in less people wanting to be DOs. Ultimately, the reason and the result are the product of a vicious circle, which, hopefully for DOs, will turn into an upward spiral until they catch up to MDs in the collective perception. This will, of course, mean that, eventually, the admission criteria will become similar for both professional schools.
     
  17. gettheleadout

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    Because cranial OMM is a load of BS? Sure it's only a small part of what you'll learn in a DO school, but I could never take the administration seriously while they're peddling it.
     
  18. MegMurry

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    LOL isn't your avatar against TOS? i hope it's not, because i love it. well-played, sir
     
  19. flatearth22

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    This is part of the reason why it will take a long, long time for DO's to fully integrate with MD's (ie change their degree name). There are ~5% of DO students who are hardcore OMM fans while the rest are apathetic or don't like it. Unfortunately, it's these 5% who end up taking leadership positions in DO schools and the AOA resulting in no "merger" from occurring.
     
  20. 235788

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    derp de dippipidy derp de duuu
     
  21. SpecterGT260

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    If this were entirely true would you support a motion that unilaterally increases acceptance scores for DO schools to match MD?
     
  22. 235788

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    hahahahahaha omg, your avatar.

    Yes, I agree. Some of the OMM is just odd. I personally love the stories that get passed down in the "DO Lore."
     
  23. Kadava Reviva

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    I couldn't care less. I'm a Canadian MD.
     
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  24. 235788

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    very true. You forgot to mentioned that he is also a famed philanthropist (much like andrew carnegie)
     
  25. willen101383

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    Cranial was taught in 2 lab sections by some of the more hardcore OMM people. It wasnt tested on any practical because even the "regular hardcore" OMM faculty know its bullsht. All the students were laughing during the lab and not one person said they felt anything.

    And with regard to administration....part of the reason I am sort of uncomfortable at my school is because there are basically 2 different administrations: the "real" guys and the OMM dept. Both are totally separate....nothing is integrated from one dept into the other...and you can sense that the OMM dept really feels like they are second class (which they are)....and in turn this gets passed onto the students in terms of nasty attitudes and inane rules and regulations.

    I think the cranial labs turned a lot of the "on the fence" people into OMM haters. It was like I was at hogwarts for 2 days. Either way, the OMM dept peddling cranial had nothign to do with the "typical" half of the administration. I am sure they are as embarrassed by it as the students are.
     
  26. 235788

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    interesting... Are people (administration etc) afraid to bring this up and talk about it?

    If MD schools tried to teach "blood letting" or something, i'm sure someone would stand up and call BS
     
  27. Rippey

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    M.D. = Lexus

    D.O. = Toyota
     
  28. 235788

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    ehhh I don't know about that.
     
  29. willen101383

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    Yeah considering I would never drive a toyota...funny though since my dad is an MD and is a lexushead. So maybe lexus=MD........GTI=DO (thats what i currently whip it in).
     
  30. willen101383

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    I really dont know what the deal is. I know cranial is on the comlex so technically it needs to be taught. So change would need to come from COCA/AOA and that will never happen. I considered writing an e mail to the dean/president about my views on teaching a debunked methodology at an american medical school (and one sometimes considered as the best DO school)..but decided it wouldnt change anything.

    Most of my classmates have adopted a "just keep ur head down and run" methodology about OMM and the BS that is taught. I am only a few months away from 3rd year so my OMM days are numbered as well...and nothing I say or do will benefit myself or my class. Earlier this year I tried to get a few of my classmates to get a petition started about some issues...but everyone was too scared. Frankly, being that I was a complete dip**** in 2004 and made my username contain my birthday, and thus I am identifiable, I am a bit scared to post anything in public like this too.
     
  31. RogueUnicorn

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    that about sums up your intellectual prowess
     
  32. MegMurry

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    awesome. can we have a Ray Day once a year, where all the mods make their avatars Ray-themed?
     
  33. ensuii

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    Is this why most of your friends are on SDN?
     
  34. 235788

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    says a WVSOM m3?
     
  35. MIAYO

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    :laugh: They get so sensitive. Even when facts are presented.
     
  36. Sephiroth

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    I know the cited reasoning behind this is that DO students learn things they dont teach at allo schools (i.e. OMM). Do you know anyone in an AOA residency that can attest to whether OMM is actually used or is a necessary component of that residency?
     
  37. SellerAl

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    Is there really another MD vs DO thread? Can't somebody do something about this?
     
  38. link2swim06

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    Having interviewed at both MD and DO schools, I would of hands down picked the DO school if I didn't have to deal with the extra hassle (taking step 1 and complex, etc..).

    Why? At every school I visited, both the applicants and students were much chiller and down to earth at the DO schools. There is something in the DO admissions process...they dont accept people who are so full of themselves just because they got a 35 on the MCAT.
     
  39. 235788

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    which DO school did you like?

    I've met cool people and have generally liked everything at my interviews.
     
  40. link2swim06

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    I interviewed at Ohio University and LECOM-B, both had very nice faculty (especially OU). I would have probably ended up at LECOM-B, because I really wanted to do the PBL thing as a pre-med (little did I know..).

    Dont get me wrong, both MD/DO schools had nice people at interviews....but I remember at a few interviews for MD schools encountering some people pretty full of themselves. And if you were wondering, yes, there are a handful of people like this in my class now.

    I guess for me, I had more to talk about with the fellow applicants at my DO interviews, maybe more interests outside of medicine? Maybe more down to earth? Anyhow, I found plenty of people at my current school who are chill so it all worked out.
     
  41. JRWPREMED

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    This is not another MD vs DO thread. This is an opinion based thread on why people favor one over the other. I was well aware of the differences in MD and DO when I posted this. Can we please move past this? I am new to the site and was unaware of the numerous threads on the topic. Give me a break.
     
  42. pre med 2014

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    MDs drive Toyota's and DOs drive Lexus.
     
  43. 235788

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    and caribbean doctors fly helicopters
     
  44. pre med 2014

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    It's kinda weird how helicopters can outperform a lot of powered airplanes.
     
  45. iqe2010

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    I'm pretty sure this M.D. superiority complex on exists in the minds of pre-meds.
     
  46. 235788

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    they do seem quite efficient.
     
  47. willen101383

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    Facts or no facts its still a dick statement to try to claim that WVSOM students dont take their academics seriously based on stats. :rolleyes:

    Only on SDN do you see this level of douchebaggery.
     
  48. 235788

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    well i didn't take academics seriously in highschool and turned it around for college.

    If they pass their boards its all good.

    But one of the least competent girls I was friends with in UG in starting at LECOM next year.. I have a hard time believing she'll survive. She was the girl who would study much longer then everyone, but still do far worst on tests. I never got it.
     
  49. UTsksk

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    lol reminds me when I was shadowing a MD and this old pathologist (MD) said

    MD = RN
    DO = LVN

    the MD I was with got super pissed and told him off in front of other doctors. From what he said, it's usually the really-old-that-need-to-retire-already doctors that usually are the haters.
     
  50. willen101383

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    I graduated with a 2.45. Based on that data do you think I would survive in medical school? Nope. However I cleaned up my act in graduate school with over 70 credits at a 3.75 and easily score at or above the means in med school with minimal studying. Things arent always what they seem based on stats alone, and I am sure I brought my school's average GPA down. Does that mean I dont take my studies seriously? Hell no.

    People shouldnt be so quick to judge...especially other med students. They are med students for a reason: because they take their academics seriously. In my experience MCAT scores and undergrad GPA have absolutely nothing to do with med school success. I consistently smoke kids who had MCAT scores/GPAs far above mine. Sure perhaps the MCAT has some loose correlation with step 1 scores...but I still dont think it carries as much weight as people on SDN think it does.
     
  51. Amenhotep IV

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    People in the know have all sorts of reasons from overall quality of education to options for rotations to preference/lack thereof for OMM. In all honesty, though, I think the biggest reason is simple familiarity. People hear about MDs more than they do about DOs, they see more MDs in a hospital, and the degree is more mainstream in the field. Allopathy is then seen as the main way to go, with osteopathy viewed as an "alternative" pathway. For my own part I've seen all the MD schools in Illinois (where I'm from) and DMU is my first choice over any of them. I felt the facilities and faculty were far superior, I got a much better vibe from the students, and research is not a priority for me. You just have to look around to find out which school fits you the best based on what you want in your education. Each pathway has its own great and mediocre schools.

    For what it's worth, I work in a hospital and all the doctors I've talked to (MD or DO) say it makes less of a difference where you go to med school or what pathway you choose than how hard you work and what you get on your board scores.
     

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