Why only Allo??

[Herpeto]

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For those of you only applying to allopathic schools or those who would prefer an acceptance to an allo vs. osteo school, why? Do you not believe in the osteopathic philosophy?, Feel DO's command less respect? Don't belive a DO is a real doctor? Just wanted to get some opinions on how you view DO's and how you feel the public and other MD's view DO's.

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[Neuronix]

Because there are no fully-funded DO/PhD programs. This reflects that the major research centers in America are affiliated with MD schools.

 

[mellantro]

IMHO, it's not about believing in the osteopathic philosophy, I just think people haven't been exposed to it as much. But for people who have some knowledge, this could be a turn on or off point.

Of course DOs are real doctors, no one denies that. To the average American public, I doubt a DO versus MD makes a big difference, esp in primary care.

In terms of academic research I'm sure there are more opportunities in allopathic medicine, which is one of the main reasons why I'm applying allopathic. Also, my state school MD tuition fees would be much less than any osteo. school.

I doubt it is as much stigma as it is opportunity. Also, why do alot of DOs apply to allopathic residencies? I'm just curious, don't mean to incite.

BTW, if you do a search on this topic, you'd come up with a zillion threads that have answers to your questions. It's been oft-debated.

On a closing note, I feel a flame war in 5....4.....3.... 😉

P.S. I just wanted to add - in terms of MDs and DOs working together and the respect level, I doubt any normal person has the guts to call someone out ragging on the fact that they are a DO. How assinine would that be? You have to be a professional to be a doctor. Granted you may have your own biases but you usually keep them to yourself. Otherwise how would you treat patients etc? How could you function in an environment that consists of you taking cues from others, in many cases? I think respect is garnered by work ethic and capability in the field, not DO or MD. That being said, of course some stigma exists, but for most, pulling in over 100-150 grand a year would be a nice tradeoff. Hell there's a DO in my area who works in infertility and pulls in 600K. I doubt he thinks about stigma too much...

 

[neofight]

There are lots of threads out there that answer your questions so you might want to do a search on "DO" in this forum (you could also look on the pre-do forum). No need to start a new MD vs DO thread when there are so many already out there.

 

[Fenrezz]

Research would be a big reason to choose allo or osteo. Also, osteopathic medicine isn't really well known mainstream so some people don't want to have to constantly explain the degree. Others believe that most people look down on DO's and they aren't comfortable with that stigma. There are those who feel that it's harder to get into a specialty as a DO, or that certain residencies will discriminate against you if you are not MD.

It also comes down to the fact that there are a lot of pre-meds out there who have never heard of osteopathic medicine, so they don't know anything about it. It's not easy to apply to a DO school when the first time you hear about osteopathic medicine is a week before you send out applications. I think the majority of people who apply DO have had some experience with an osteopathic physician.

As far as why people do apply to or matriculate at DO schools, I believe it has little to do with the whole philosophy idea. Although there are plenty of people who choose the DO route because of OMT, I get the sense that a lot of individuals decide on a particular DO school because of location, convenience, in-state tuition costs vs out of state MD schools, or they just want to be a doctor, regardless of degree, and they received no MD acceptances. Of course, that is simplifying it a bit.

 

[DrMom]

Originally posted by mellantro
Also, why do alot of DOs apply to allopathic residencies? I'm just curious, don't mean to incite.

No fight coming 😉 at least not from me.

There are not enough osteopathic residency positions for each year's graduating classes, so logically at least some DOs will have to go to allopathic residencies. There are other reasons, of course, but this is a simple one.

 

[skypilot]

Actually most (over 65%) DOs do allopathic residencies! That is one reason the whole debate has become moot. There are DOs everywhere including Hopkins and Harvard.

 

[cracker69]

my reason, as pathetic as it sounds. i know no one that knows what a DO degree is outside of pre-med students, but everyone knows what an MD is.

69 <--- can end sentences w/ a preposition b/c going to be a doctor, not an english professor.

 

[skypilot]

Here is the match list from Western COMP.

Note the anesthesiologist at Yale, Internal Medicine and Pediatrics at the Cleveland Clinic and quite a few Radiology matches too!


WesternU/COMP Match Results 2001

Anesthesiology:

PCOM/Frankford Hospital
Longhorne, PA
Henry Ford Hospital
Detroit, MI
Wilford Hall/USAFMC
Lackland, TX
University of Miami/Jackson Memorial Hospital
Miami, FL
University of Connecticut Medical Center
Connecticut, CT
UC San Francisco Medical Center
San Francisco, CA
UC Irvine Medical Center
Irvine, CA
Yale University Medical Center
New Haven, CT

Family Medicine:

Eastmoreland Hospital
Portland, OR (2)
Loma Linda University Medical Center
Loma Linda, CA
University of Missouri Medical Center
MO
UC Davis Medical Center
Sacramento, CA (2)
KCOM/The Medical Center
Columbus, GA
Long Beach Memorial Medical Center
Long Beach, CA (3)
USC County Hospital
Los Angeles, CA (3)
WesternU/COMP Arrowhead Regional Medical Center
Colton, CA (2)
WesternU/COMP Downey Regional Medical Center
Downey, CA (3) COMB/FP
UC San Francisco/Fresno Medical Center
Fresno, CA
Presbyterian Inter. Hospital
Whittier, CA
Travis Air Force Base/Davis Grant Medical Center
Granite Bay, CA (2)
MU South Carolina
SC
Phoenix Baptist Hospital
Phoenix, CA
MSUCOM/Community Health Center
Coldwater, MI
UNSM/DFCM Washoe Medical Center
Reno, NV
Martin Luther King/Drew Medical Center
Los Angeles, CA
Pacific Hospital-Long Beach
Long Beach, CA (2)
Riverside County Regional Medical Center
Riverside, CA (2)
Glendale Adventist Medical Center
Glendale, CA
Walter Reed Army Medical Center
Washington D.C. Family Medicine & Psychiatry
UCNCMC
Greenley, CO Family Medicine/Rural Medicine
UNECOM Medical Center
Portland, ME
KCOM/Lincoln Health Network
Phoenix, AZ
Methodist Hospital of Sacramento
Sacramento, CA
Camp Pendleton Naval Hospital
Camp Pendleton, CA

Emergency Medicine:

Texas A&M University/Scott and White Medical Center
TX
Medical College of Ohio/St. Vincent?s Mercy Medical Center Toledo, OH
MSUCOM/Ingram Regional Medical Center
East Lansing, MI
Bi-County/Henry Ford Medical Center
Warren, MI
Botsford General Hospital
Farmington Hills, MI (2)
Pennsylvania State University/York Hospital
PA
PCOM/Philadelphia Consortium
Philadelphia, CA
Pacific Hospital-Long Beach
Long Beach, CA

Internal Medicine:

Kaiser Permanente Santa Clara Medical Center
Santa Clara, CA
UCSF/St. Mary?s Medical Center San Francisco, CA
Alameda County Highland General
Oakland, CA (2)
Medical College of Wisconsin Hospital
Milwaukee, CA
Wright State University/Wright-Patterson Medical Center
OH
The Cleveland Clinic Foundation
Cleveland, OH
NYCOM/St. Barnabas Hospital
Bronx, NY COMB/IM
Loma Linda University Medical Center
Loma Linda, CA (3)
Huntington Memorial Hospital
Pasadena, CA
YUSPH/Griffin Hospital
Durby, CT IM/PM/PH
UCLA/Wadsworth Greater Los Angeles Veterans Administration Hospital
Los Angeles, CA
MetroHealth Center
Cleveland, OH
Pacific Hospital-Long Beach
Long Beach, CA
UCLA/St. Mary Medical Center
Long Beach, CA
Wilford Hall USAF Medical Center/Lackland Air Force Base
San Antonio, TX
Johns Hopkins University Hospital
Baltimore, MD
Garden City Hospital
Garden City, MI (2)
UCLA Medical Center
Los Angeles, CA
University of Texas/Houston Medical Center
Houston, TX
Neurology:
Northwestern University/McGaw Medical Center
Chicago, IL
University of Arizona/Tucson Medical Center
Tucson, AZ
St. Louis University Hospital
St. Louis, MO

OB/GYN:

Medical College of Georgia
GA
UC Davis Medical Center
Sacramento, CA
Kaiser Permanente, Sunset
Los Angeles, CA
Cook County Hospital
Chicago, IL
UMDNJ/Robert Wood Johnson Medical Center
NJ
WesternU/COMP Arrowhead Regional Medical Center
Colton, CA

Pathology:
USC County Hospital
Los Angeles, CA

Pediatrics:
Loma Linda University Medical Center
Loma Linda, CA
UC San Francisco/Fresno Valley Children?s Hospital Fresno, CA
USC County Hospital
Los Angeles, CA
University of Nevada Medical Center
Las Vegas, NV
USC/Children?s Hospital of Los Angeles Los Angeles, CA
Cleveland Clinic Children?s Hospital/Cleveland Clinic Foundation Cleveland, OH
UMDNJ/Robert Wood Johnson Medical Center
NJ
Texas A&M University/Driscoll Children?s Hospital TX Pediatrics/Neomatology
Henry Ford Hospital
Warren, MI COMB/Pediatrics

Physical Medicine & Rehabilitation:
UT/SVMC Medical College of Ohio
Toledo, OH (2)

Psychiatry:
Loma Linda University Medical Center
Loma Linda, CA (3)
Tripler Army Medical Center
Honolulu, HI
Martin Luther King/Drew University Medical Center
Los Angeles, CA

Radiology:
Pontiac Osteopathic Hospital Pontiac, MI
Garden City Hospital Garden City, NY COMB/Diagnostic Radiology
Mount Sinai Medical Center Miami, FL Diagnostic
USC County Hospital
Los Angeles, CA Diagnostic
Botsford General Hospital
Farmington Hills, MI Diagnostic
Oklahoma University Medical Center/Children?s Hospital/Veteran?s Hospital Oklahoma City, OK Diagnostic

Surgery:
University of Colorado Medical Center
Denver, CO General
Tripler Army Medical Center
Honolulu, HI General
Martin Luther King/Drew Medical Center
Los Angeles, CA General
Martin Luther King/Drew Medical Center
Los Angeles, CA Categorical

Traditional Rotating Internship:
WesternU/COMP Arrowhead Regional Medical Center
Colton, CA (9)
MSUCOM Consortium/Henry Ford-Riverside Hospital
Detroit, MI Internship/Family Practice
Midwestern University/CCOM/AZCOM Consortium-Mesa Hospital
Mesa, AZ (2)
WesternU/COMP Downey Regional Medical Center
Downey, CA (3)
Pacific Hospital-Long Beach
Long Beach, CA (3)
Mount Clemens General Hospital
Mount Clemens, MI (2)
Genesys Health Systems

 

[Chronotropic]

Now adding comp to list of possible DO schools to apply to 😀