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<blockquote data-quote="Unty" data-source="post: 21319113" data-attributes="member: 61226"><p>Crap job paying 400k? Sure money isn’t everything. There’s a saying: <strong>one man's trash is another man's treasure.</strong></p><p></p><p>With bonuses that amount to 500k+? Crap is all relative. What do you mean by crap? Long hours? Working all weekend every weekend? Looking at boring, non-intellectually stimulating imaging studies all day, whatever that is (I’m not a radiologist btw)? Bad location? No research or teaching? Crap to you might be a great job for someone else.</p><p></p><p>Yes I agree I would not base my future on money but solely on interests. I’m not trying to say base your future on money but just here trying to illustrate the better job market in radiology and how the job market in pathology is a lackluster one at best.</p><p></p><p>Here’s another job in southern Ohio:</p><p></p><p><strong>Looking for a Board Certified/Board Eligible Radiologist to join our well established, hospital employed multispecialty group. Must be fellowship trained in MSK. Monday - Friday dayshift. Holiday/weekend rotation 1:7 (dayshift)</strong></p><p><strong>The salary range is $455,000-572,000. </strong></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Moving expense - $10,000 paid to a moving company</strong></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Sign-on Bonus - 15% of base salary up to $100,000</strong></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Excellent bonus incentives up to 30% of salary</strong></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>$200,000 Medical Student Loan Repayment</strong></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Up to $25,000 Residency/Fellowship Stipend</strong></li> </ul><p><strong>SOMC is a 248 bed, not for profit community hospital in Portsmouth, OH. We are Joint Commission accredited and have achieved Magnet status for nursing. Our service patient population is 250,000. We have been ranked by FORTUNE 100 magazine as one of the best places to work for the last 11 years, also ranking as the #1 employer in the state of Ohio. We attribute much of this to the culture of SOMC. If you want to practice in one of the most challenging and rewarding environments in the country, this may be the place for you.</strong></p><p></p><p>The higher pay because of the location I’m guessing. But my point is that some radiology jobs, based on my online search, have to ENTICE you to go work for them. You won’t see this (rarely) in Pathology job ads because there will always be someone willing to take the job, be it an American grad or foreign grad.</p><p></p><p>Why am I comparing Pathology to other fields? To illustrate the differences in job markets for those who are considering pathology. I’ve brought up dermatology in the past because IMO they are a good model of how the leaders have protected their field from degradation.</p><p></p><p><strong>You mentioned in your post the phrase “if you train at a good program”. </strong>So what about those who trained at lesser known programs (although these programs will still train you adequately). Do they just fall to the curb? Are you saying their job prospects are dimmer for those who trained at good programs?</p><p></p><p><strong>A good field will allow all of its trainees good job opportunities.</strong></p><p></p><p>So you’re saying there are a lot of programs out there, that if you train at, you will have issues garnering a good job and pay?</p><p></p><p><strong> In another post you mentioned that those who were struggling to find a job were “poorly skilled candidates.” </strong>You also mentioned in a previous post “<strong>there were too many programs”.</strong> Correct me if I’m wrong. All of what you’ve stated before proves the point that there are garbage programs (or oversupply of trading slots) out there who train candidates poorly or garbage residents or both. I’m sure there are folks from well known institutions that have issues too. You previously mentioned you had folks apply for your group (from good programs?) who just only wanted to sign out one subspecialty or do only one thing. To me that’s a poorly skilled candidate.</p><p></p><p><strong>No I’m not trying to scare off anyone from pathology. I want to portray the reality of pathology as a field and the pathology job market.</strong></p><p></p><p>The candidates you hired got multiple offers? That’s great to hear. There are folks who only got one offer, just like the previous poster and a buddy I know. It’s variable. I know someone else who got multiple offers as well. I know someone who had to work starting at 180k at an outpatient lab signing out GI biopsies. Her salary gradually increased 20-30k every 6 months however. That may be a crap job to you but may be the <strong>only job</strong> one can get for another person. She has eventually moved on to a corporate job.</p><p></p><p>Again, all you need is one job offer at a place you will be happy.</p><p></p><p><strong>Pathology is a great field if you enjoy it. There are issues in Pathology that med students should be aware of which is the lackluster job market. Sure every field has issues but I think if the job market is an issue this is important for medical students to know. </strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>You will be able to get a job in this field, wherever that may be, because everyone I know has a job. It’s just you may have to move to get a job although I don’t wish that for anyone.</strong></p><p></p><p>I’ve looked at online job postings for pp pathology jobs near Chicago and Boston, only found a few to no jobs. Like I said before, Feel free to prove me wrong. The NE and the Chicagoland area are notoriously tight job markets.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Unty, post: 21319113, member: 61226"] Crap job paying 400k? Sure money isn’t everything. There’s a saying: [B]one man's trash is another man's treasure.[/B] With bonuses that amount to 500k+? Crap is all relative. What do you mean by crap? Long hours? Working all weekend every weekend? Looking at boring, non-intellectually stimulating imaging studies all day, whatever that is (I’m not a radiologist btw)? Bad location? No research or teaching? Crap to you might be a great job for someone else. Yes I agree I would not base my future on money but solely on interests. I’m not trying to say base your future on money but just here trying to illustrate the better job market in radiology and how the job market in pathology is a lackluster one at best. Here’s another job in southern Ohio: [B]Looking for a Board Certified/Board Eligible Radiologist to join our well established, hospital employed multispecialty group. Must be fellowship trained in MSK. Monday - Friday dayshift. Holiday/weekend rotation 1:7 (dayshift) The salary range is $455,000-572,000. [/B] [LIST] [*][B]Moving expense - $10,000 paid to a moving company[/B] [*][B]Sign-on Bonus - 15% of base salary up to $100,000[/B] [*][B]Excellent bonus incentives up to 30% of salary[/B] [*][B]$200,000 Medical Student Loan Repayment[/B] [*][B]Up to $25,000 Residency/Fellowship Stipend[/B] [/LIST] [B]SOMC is a 248 bed, not for profit community hospital in Portsmouth, OH. We are Joint Commission accredited and have achieved Magnet status for nursing. Our service patient population is 250,000. We have been ranked by FORTUNE 100 magazine as one of the best places to work for the last 11 years, also ranking as the #1 employer in the state of Ohio. We attribute much of this to the culture of SOMC. If you want to practice in one of the most challenging and rewarding environments in the country, this may be the place for you.[/B] The higher pay because of the location I’m guessing. But my point is that some radiology jobs, based on my online search, have to ENTICE you to go work for them. You won’t see this (rarely) in Pathology job ads because there will always be someone willing to take the job, be it an American grad or foreign grad. Why am I comparing Pathology to other fields? To illustrate the differences in job markets for those who are considering pathology. I’ve brought up dermatology in the past because IMO they are a good model of how the leaders have protected their field from degradation. [B]You mentioned in your post the phrase “if you train at a good program”. [/B]So what about those who trained at lesser known programs (although these programs will still train you adequately). Do they just fall to the curb? Are you saying their job prospects are dimmer for those who trained at good programs? [B]A good field will allow all of its trainees good job opportunities.[/B] So you’re saying there are a lot of programs out there, that if you train at, you will have issues garnering a good job and pay? [B] In another post you mentioned that those who were struggling to find a job were “poorly skilled candidates.” [/B]You also mentioned in a previous post “[B]there were too many programs”.[/B] Correct me if I’m wrong. All of what you’ve stated before proves the point that there are garbage programs (or oversupply of trading slots) out there who train candidates poorly or garbage residents or both. I’m sure there are folks from well known institutions that have issues too. You previously mentioned you had folks apply for your group (from good programs?) who just only wanted to sign out one subspecialty or do only one thing. To me that’s a poorly skilled candidate. [B]No I’m not trying to scare off anyone from pathology. I want to portray the reality of pathology as a field and the pathology job market.[/B] The candidates you hired got multiple offers? That’s great to hear. There are folks who only got one offer, just like the previous poster and a buddy I know. It’s variable. I know someone else who got multiple offers as well. I know someone who had to work starting at 180k at an outpatient lab signing out GI biopsies. Her salary gradually increased 20-30k every 6 months however. That may be a crap job to you but may be the [B]only job[/B] one can get for another person. She has eventually moved on to a corporate job. Again, all you need is one job offer at a place you will be happy. [B]Pathology is a great field if you enjoy it. There are issues in Pathology that med students should be aware of which is the lackluster job market. Sure every field has issues but I think if the job market is an issue this is important for medical students to know. You will be able to get a job in this field, wherever that may be, because everyone I know has a job. It’s just you may have to move to get a job although I don’t wish that for anyone.[/B] I’ve looked at online job postings for pp pathology jobs near Chicago and Boston, only found a few to no jobs. Like I said before, Feel free to prove me wrong. The NE and the Chicagoland area are notoriously tight job markets. [/QUOTE]
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