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Why some folks on the Radiology forum did not choose Pathology
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<blockquote data-quote="yaah" data-source="post: 21323806" data-attributes="member: 29747"><p>My goodness, my friend. I did not say that job was a crap job. I said it might be. If you can distinguish a crap job from a non crap job based on a one sentence blurb then good for you. And if you think there aren't crap radiology jobs, well I can't help you. Maybe you've never met radiologists who talk about jobs where they have endless signout at terrible hours, bad support, and multiple locations, and how it isn't worth extra $. Do you honestly think I don't get the fact that one person's crap job is another person's dream job? </p><p>The other ads posted are more realistic sounding and better jobs than the original one that was posted. I am not here to argue the radiology job market. I'm sure it's great. If it is, it's a lot better than 10 years ago when it apparently was considered bad. I am not a radiologist. I don't plan on being a radiologist. If pathology dies as a field I doubt I would go back and train to do that. Whether or not it is better than pathology (presumably better) is also irrelevant for all except the rare individuals who really would like both and want to do one of them. </p><p></p><p>As far as "poorly-qualified candidates" I am not sure what you all want me to say on this - do I think everyone who trains at a US program and graduates should be guaranteed a great job? I don't know - are they competent, qualified pathologists? Because in my experience not all graduates are competent qualified pathologists. Not all currently practicing pathologists are competent either for every type of job. You can call that an indictment of training programs or of national leadership or whatever you want to call it, I have no argument with you. But when we get applications from candidates who can't complete a sentence, have letters of reference that use the phrase "too arrogant" and things like that, I am not going to want to hire those people to work with me. I have posted many, many times on here that there are too many pathology training programs, and that there are too many training programs that don't have the resources to adequately train many pathologists. Some trainees can rise above this. Many cannot. If programs can't place their graduates into jobs, maybe they should be closed. Unfortunately what tends to happen is that they place them in fellowships and then wash their hands of ever finding out what happens. Have you ever seen program websites which list status of recent graduates? Almost all of them are listed as going on to a fellowship at another institution. The bigger programs will actually have data on actual job placement.</p><p></p><p>You may think a good job market means candidates like this are working in great jobs for high pay. I am not so sure. I think it's essentially irrelevant. I also don't know how many candidates there are like this - I don't think it's too many though. </p><p></p><p>I have never said much on here about whether the job market in pathology is good or great or crappy or whatever. All I have done is given my own experience and perspective, which I have said many times, differs quite a bit from the negative voices on this site. I find it all quite perplexing. It's easy for all of you to just go with your bias and dismiss my experience as less than relevant. Go ahead, whether you believe it or not, it's the truth. </p><p></p><p>I also have no recollection of any post claiming a $150,000 signing bonus. I would tend to doubt that also unless there was some sort of weird special circumstance that isn't applicable to most people. Always be careful of anecdotes, whether positive or negative. You can discount my anecdotes if you want. I'm just a little tired of "private practice pathologists" dismissing my opinion and experience as a private practice pathologist as irrelevant just because it doesn't match with what you want it to be.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="yaah, post: 21323806, member: 29747"] My goodness, my friend. I did not say that job was a crap job. I said it might be. If you can distinguish a crap job from a non crap job based on a one sentence blurb then good for you. And if you think there aren't crap radiology jobs, well I can't help you. Maybe you've never met radiologists who talk about jobs where they have endless signout at terrible hours, bad support, and multiple locations, and how it isn't worth extra $. Do you honestly think I don't get the fact that one person's crap job is another person's dream job? The other ads posted are more realistic sounding and better jobs than the original one that was posted. I am not here to argue the radiology job market. I'm sure it's great. If it is, it's a lot better than 10 years ago when it apparently was considered bad. I am not a radiologist. I don't plan on being a radiologist. If pathology dies as a field I doubt I would go back and train to do that. Whether or not it is better than pathology (presumably better) is also irrelevant for all except the rare individuals who really would like both and want to do one of them. As far as "poorly-qualified candidates" I am not sure what you all want me to say on this - do I think everyone who trains at a US program and graduates should be guaranteed a great job? I don't know - are they competent, qualified pathologists? Because in my experience not all graduates are competent qualified pathologists. Not all currently practicing pathologists are competent either for every type of job. You can call that an indictment of training programs or of national leadership or whatever you want to call it, I have no argument with you. But when we get applications from candidates who can't complete a sentence, have letters of reference that use the phrase "too arrogant" and things like that, I am not going to want to hire those people to work with me. I have posted many, many times on here that there are too many pathology training programs, and that there are too many training programs that don't have the resources to adequately train many pathologists. Some trainees can rise above this. Many cannot. If programs can't place their graduates into jobs, maybe they should be closed. Unfortunately what tends to happen is that they place them in fellowships and then wash their hands of ever finding out what happens. Have you ever seen program websites which list status of recent graduates? Almost all of them are listed as going on to a fellowship at another institution. The bigger programs will actually have data on actual job placement. You may think a good job market means candidates like this are working in great jobs for high pay. I am not so sure. I think it's essentially irrelevant. I also don't know how many candidates there are like this - I don't think it's too many though. I have never said much on here about whether the job market in pathology is good or great or crappy or whatever. All I have done is given my own experience and perspective, which I have said many times, differs quite a bit from the negative voices on this site. I find it all quite perplexing. It's easy for all of you to just go with your bias and dismiss my experience as less than relevant. Go ahead, whether you believe it or not, it's the truth. I also have no recollection of any post claiming a $150,000 signing bonus. I would tend to doubt that also unless there was some sort of weird special circumstance that isn't applicable to most people. Always be careful of anecdotes, whether positive or negative. You can discount my anecdotes if you want. I'm just a little tired of "private practice pathologists" dismissing my opinion and experience as a private practice pathologist as irrelevant just because it doesn't match with what you want it to be. [/QUOTE]
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