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do PhD faculty interview possible MD applicants?! it doesn't jive with me? how can people who never went through the process screen people who can contribute to the field? It's absolute stupidity to me!?!?! and it really pisses me...for example, she said why do you want to go into medicine, and I said my two choices in college were phd or md, and I stated my reasons for chosing an md over a phd....

well...she was a phd, and she got all fussy about it, and I knew before hand that she was a phd...but my reasons were valid and true....get over it people....I personally think they should be banned from interviewing md applicants?! how would they know about "volunteer service" or the hours physicians put in, and what kind of cockamany advice can they give to people, if they haven't gone through the same ****...

it is so stupid..it annoys the hell out of me, everytime I see a Phd faculty interviweing and MD

ARGGGGGGGGH!!!!!
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I hear you...It's even funnier when they ask ethical questions and make it seem like your answer is incorrect ahahahahhahahaaaaa...most my PhD interviewers were very nice, but a few were bunch a arsewipes...
 
Well, I was interviewed by a PhD at SUNY Downstate and the man was a total jacka$$. It would be interesting to see who conducts interviews that are more miserable: an MD or a PhD. Poll anyone?
 
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I've had some good MD interviewers. And I've had bad luck with some PhD interviewers. MD envy, perhaps?? :wink:

It looks like a trend is forming...
 
I had a PhD interview me at UVM, and she was very nice. Maybe she was the exception?
 
Interesting...I had two PhD interviewers who were A-holes. On the other hand, I had a couple of MD/PhD interviewers who were very nice. Guess it was the MD in them shining through? :wink: <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" />
 
You've got to give the PhDs the respect they deserve. They did interview for grad school and they've already been in school a lot longer than you have or even will be. You don't know anything about their level of volunteer service, but you do know that they have had direct contact with medical students for many years and likely know what makes a successful one. The MD isn't somehow superior to the PhD. Half of the MD is spent in the basic sciences! They definitely have the right to judge you.
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by none:
•You've got to give the PhDs the respect they deserve. They did interview for grad school and they've already been in school a lot longer than you have or even will be. You don't know anything about their level of volunteer service, but you do know that they have had direct contact with medical students for many years and likely know what makes a successful one. The MD isn't somehow superior to the PhD. Half of the MD is spent in the basic sciences! They definitely have the right to judge you.•••••no that is not true...absolutely not true...they always most of the time want to impart "words of wisedom" on how to be a good physician....if u were so smart, why didn't you go into the field of medicine yourself...

for me PERSONALLY, I like to start out with on why I chose over MD over Phd...the MDs love to hear my story, and laugh and say yes, "its true, its so true...those pple are A$$holes"...

the phds, for someone reason they take it presonally :D

although with all due fairness....I said the same story to one Phd, and he was, I can't agree with you more :D
 
I just want to say that respect has nothing to do with this thread (or at least my post). I respect PhD peeps. For whatever reason, though, some of them seem to have a disposition for grilling MD applicants that is not there (or at least I have not seen it) with MD interviewers.

Watcha, don't bring intelligence into it. Just because PhDs are PhDs and not MDs does not mean they were not "smart enough to do it". I know lots of PhD profs that are sharp as nails - smarter than me for sure (not that that's saying much :wink: ) and I'm betting smarter than the majority of MDs/MD applicants.

I still agree with Watcha's underlying point: PhDs have not been through residency hours and have not treated patients. It's not like they shouldn't ask us about the stuff, but for them to put on a grill session on such topics is outside their reach if you ask me...
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by jargon124:
•I just want to say that respect has nothing to do with this thread (or at least my post). I respect PhD peeps. For whatever reason, though, some of them seem to have a disposition for grilling MD applicants that is not there (or at least I have not seen it) with MD interviewers.

Watcha, don't bring intelligence into it. Just because PhDs are PhDs and not MDs does not mean they were not "smart enough to do it". I know lots of PhD profs that are sharp as nails - smarter than me for sure (not that that's saying much :wink: ) and I'm betting smarter than the majority of MDs/MD applicants.

I still agree with Watcha's underlying point: PhDs have not been through residency hours and have not treated patients. It's not like they shouldn't ask us about the stuff, but for them to put on a grill session on such topics is outside their reach if you ask me...•••••if I ever implied that they "werent smart enough" I apologize...nothing is farther from the truth...I don't think I talked about their "intelligence" per se...I'm talking about their experience...on treating patients for example...

they just haven't been trhough medicine!!! they havent treated a patient...how would they know what medicine is about? yes, basic sciences are important that is why they should TEACH and not interview, teaching and treating patients are two different things....

you can't say, I've know how to write a book about computers, so let me go buy the parts of a computer and built it from scracth....ok horrible analogy but u get the pic...
 
since you already knew that she was a PhD...maybe you should have been alittle more tactful during your interview. you are trying to sell yourself, right?
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by rajneel1:
•since you already knew that she was a PhD...maybe you should have been alittle more tactful during your interview. you are trying to sell yourself, right?•••••yah seriously...but it was my umpth interview..and I didn't care for the school...my parents wanted me to go to the school, so I would be close...but I had the very intention of not being on my "best behavior"

what pissed me off was when I interviewed at this top notch school...and he said, why didn't you go to phd (him being phd)...I said I wanted to treat and see patients, as opposed to doing research all the time...

he said, that is hogwash, I am a phd and I can see patients in my kidney clinic, and I know mds who are doing research for life!!! I WAS LIKE WHATEVER :rolleyes: :rolleyes: sorry don't mean to be arrogant...but I hate people who give ******ed remarks like that :D :clap:
 
My experience is that many PhDs have an inferiority complex in the presence of MDs. The PhD programs at the top programs are as competitive as MD programs, the basic science curriculum is about the same, and they put 4+ years doing 60-80 hours per week for research. And then at the end of the line, they make substantially less money and get a much smaller degree of respect than MDs. How can you blame them, really? I'd be irritated too.
 
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dude i see what your saying

but his remark was a diss not a stupid one.

I have had bad PHD interviews but they are smart as hell most of them
 
people, ur not reading what I'm saying...nobody said their not smart!!! but they have a bias....

it's like those professors in undergrad,

"What, u mean to say your a PREMED....don't you dare show ur face in my office again".....

I had one Phd professor, who sat with me 1 hour in office hours...convincing me that I am wasting my life in medicine and that "it wasn't for me".....

and then I found out from friends...he wwas a premed who got rejected and now he is all bitter.... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

bitter bitter people......
 
I've had those profs, Watcha. I don't think that it's that PhD's are inferior or less intelligent or anything like that. They just see MD's as people who took the easy way out, and are collecting their big fat paycheques while the PhD's of the world are out making the world a better place.

"MCAT" is a dirty word in the physics dep't (my major). Probably through thousands of premeds who only take physics because of the MCAT, and bug the prof endlessly about what parts of the class will be on the MCAT, etc...

And, I think that a PhD training is completely different than an MD. An MD would be better positioned to determine who would and who would not make a good doctor. A person who would make a good MD and a person who would make a good PhD are not one and the same.

That's why I'd prefer to be interviewed by an MD. I've had better luck with those as well...
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by brandonite:
•I've had those profs, Watcha. I don't think that it's that PhD's are inferior or less intelligent or anything like that. They just see MD's as people who took the easy way out, and are collecting their big fat paycheques while the PhD's of the world are out making the world a better place.

"MCAT" is a dirty word in the physics dep't (my major). Probably through thousands of premeds who only take physics because of the MCAT, and bug the prof endlessly about what parts of the class will be on the MCAT, etc...

And, I think that a PhD training is completely different than an MD. An MD would be better positioned to determine who would and who would not make a good doctor. A person who would make a good MD and a person who would make a good PhD are not one and the same.

That's why I'd prefer to be interviewed by an MD. I've had better luck with those as well...•••••yah brandonite! I'm glad someone agrees with me :D

it's the same rational...can you have MD's on a committe for prospective Phd students? no it doesn't make sense...what would most MDs know about research...some of them do...

I think Phd's should only be employed when your doing MD/Phd, but not MD!!!
 
i'd contribute--but why? ok, ok, this thread is somewhat deserving of my scholarly rigor and attention (syke). i wonder if i spelled "syke" correctly....

well, my experience has been that PhD's DO have some Issues with MDs. i've observed that many different times. we can suppose from our necks to our toes( :D ), but really it's too complex and varies a lot i'm sure. BUT researchers--people that went into research because it's what they love, not because they coudlnt' do anything else, are brilliant, endlessly curious people searching for truth. they are inspiring, and most really are very very intelligent. they apparently have control over some master's students in their labs, so they let this tiny little insignificant bit of power, combined with the fact that they publish and contribue to scientific "truth" or it's approach anyway, makes them WAY too bossy, and too critical (begging like slaves for grant money also means more torture for you once they leave the computer cuz now it's ON!) and too hateful of the Playaz instead of the game.

i told this to one PhD interviewer and after shrugging it off he laughed at me and told me it was time for me to leave because "this interview is over, my friend." as i exited his windowless office, i peeked in one last time and out of the corner of my eye saw him wipe off his eyes and turn on his computer....
this story has been a mildly entertaining fabrication. do move on thank you.
 
whatcha- •••quote:•••they just haven't been trhough medicine!!! they havent treated a patient...how would they know what medicine is about? yes, basic sciences are important that is why they should TEACH and not interview, teaching and treating patients are two different things....••••<img src="http://www.tribalwar.com/forums/images/smilies/badrazz.gif" alt="" />

And you have been through medicine and treated patients? In addition, how much do you know about their experience with patients and their exposure to medicine? eh?

I mean... I'm sure they're not moonlighting as a medschool admissions interviewersjust for the hell of it... because they really need the money... nor do I think the Adcoms would have simpleminded ignorant PhD's interviewing med school applicants if they have NO CLUE.

And as was also pointed out, some PhD's DID go thru the med school admissions process. You also don't know how that turned out and why they ended up as a PhD.

If PhD's actually have an inferiority complex, I'd gamble it's because of the superiority complex shared by so many prospective, current, and former MD's. The way ya'll talk about them, it would appear that becoming a PhD is for people who can't cut it as an MD. They are 'below' the few, the proud, the MD's. In some cases that may be true, but far from the case with all...

Maybe all of you have had some terrible experiences, but I would believe with your attitudes you summoned their bitter feelings toward yourselves. You get out of life all too often what you make of it. What you bring to the table... reciprocated.

im sorry at times I'll end up at school with folks who can be so egotistical.

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sry, we just have different opinions :) The tone of some of the above posts is what got to me.

next time I'll agree w/ yall that the collective grouping of whoever sucks, they have a chip on their shoulder, and WHY do they interfere with OUR process!? <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" />

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•••quote:•••Originally posted by WatchaMaCallit:
•if u were so smart, why didn't you go into the field of medicine yourself...
•••••You're talking out of your rear end, watcha (and not even doing it that well). You DO think that PhDs are inferior to us "gifted" soon to be doctors. Give us a friggin break. I'd love to see you complete a thesis that could stand PhD scrutiny. Same BS elitist attitude, different day... :( --Trek
 
Pawnym:

OHHH u expected flames huh? let me get out my gun..and we can both dual to the very end...I got the impression that you were ticked off at me? :wink:

so here it is...right back at you, get ready set....

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•••quote:•••Originally posted by Pawnym:
•whatcha- •••quote:•••they just haven't been trhough medicine!!! they havent treated a patient...how would they know what medicine is about? yes, basic sciences are important that is why they should TEACH and not interview, teaching and treating patients are two different things....••••<img src="http://www.tribalwar.com/forums/images/smilies/badrazz.gif" alt="" />

And you have been through medicine and treated patients? In addition, how much do you know about their experience with patients and their exposure to medicine? eh?

I mean... I'm sure they're not moonlighting as a medschool admissions interviewersjust for the hell of it... because they really need the money... nor do I think the Adcoms would have simpleminded ignorant PhD's interviewing med school applicants if they have NO CLUE.

And as was also pointed out, some PhD's DID go thru the med school admissions process. You also don't know how that turned out and why they ended up as a PhD.

If PhD's actually have an inferiority complex, I'd gamble it's because of the superiority complex shared by so many prospective, current, and former MD's. The way ya'll talk about them, it would appear that becoming a PhD is for people who can't cut it as an MD. They are 'below' the few, the proud, the MD's. In some cases that may be true, but far from the case with all...

Maybe all of you have had some terrible experiences, but I would believe with your attitudes you summoned their bitter feelings toward yourselves. You get out of life all too often what you make of it. What you bring to the table... reciprocated.

im sorry at times I'll end up at school with folks who can be so egotistical.

i expect flames back. np. <img src="http://www.tribalwar.com/forums/images/smilies/armed.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.tribalwar.com/forums/images/smilies/heart.gif" alt="" />•••••oh my...I couldn't stop laughing like crazy...that gun graemlin is so hilarious........lol
 
that's actually repugnant watcha..and i use that word very sparingly. the thought of a grown man laughing and farting uncontrollably while splashing sphagetti sauce all over the room reminds me of the movie Seven, and makes my stomach turn. eww, switch to lactaid milk.
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by A. Caveman:
•that's actually repugnant watcha..and i use that word very sparingly. the thought of a grown man laughing and farting uncontrollably while splashing sphagetti sauce all over the room reminds me of the movie Seven, and makes my stomach turn. eww, switch to lactaid milk.•••••splashing spagheti sauce? farting? what are you talking about caveman...bro u drinking again....remember dont drink and type...very dangerous :D
 
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This thread has degenerated a bit, but I'll contribute. I'm an older applicant and noticed that the Ph.D's who interviewed me were much more skeptical about my coming to medicine so late, compared to the M.D.'s. The Ph.D's I came across during interviews also seemed a little socially awkward, leading to less than smooth interviews. I think they have every right to be interviewers, but I didn't exactly "click" with any of them.
 
Well, in some cases PhD's (as in psychology) do complete internships (in ER's and psych wards) and do see patients.

Another thought, some people in the hard sciences (e.g. chemistry math physics engineering) do not have a very high regard of premeds scientific aptitude, just because they often take just the very basic level science courses. At my university there were two tracks of chemistry and physics, one for the premeds and one for the "scientists". Not to say that premeds are "dumber" by any means, but there is sometimes a perception that they are doing the prereqs not because they like them or are interested but because they are trying to get into medical school. For people who are genuinely interested in the subject, this might get irritating. Of course there are premeds who are genuinely interested, but I'm just giving you a different perspective.
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by none:
•You've got to give the PhDs the respect they deserve. They did interview for grad school and they've already been in school a lot longer than you have or even will be.•••••Just wanted to point out that grad school interviews are way different than med school interviews. Getting invited to an interview is almost the same as getting into the school (they do heavy pre-interview screening). Once you are invited to an interview you pretty much have to make yourself look like a complete ass in order not to get in. At the top bio programs (Harvard, Penn, Berkeley, MIT, Columbia, UCLA, Stanford) they spend a lot of money "recruiting" you to their school. My friend at Columbia (1st year PhD), said that they spent $19K during a 3 day period for their recruits, which includes open bar tabs, restaurant bills, etc. They get put up in hotels. Their plane tickets are free. Their interviews are science heavy (what can you tell me about this signaling pathway?) and less "so you accidentally receive extra money in your grant, what do you do?"(ex of an ethical question). Some interviewers are probably high stress, but the majority I have heard about from friends were very laid back, with the exception of a couple at Harvard. So while you still have to interview for PhD programs, they are trying to recruit you to their school . They wanna show you a good time, talk some science, and as long as you aren't totally inept in person, you are probably getting in. In short, PhD interviews are completely different than med school interviews.
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by WatchaMaCallit:
•

I didn't mean "smart" in the literal sense...yeeeesh.... I mean if [PhDs] know everything about the field [of medicine]...why didn't they chose that field...
•••••Because they don't want to be doctors? Good heavens, if I knew everything about the field of medicine, I probably wouldn't want to be a doctor either. It's only my blissful ignorance and idealism that keeps me going.
 
This whole thread blows me away. What difference does it really make if a PhD interviews you? It's stated that they don't know 'what it's like' to be a physician. However, do you think anyone that teaches your courses in the fist two years might by chance have a PhD? And maybe have some expertise in these classes? Would they not be able to gauge how well you would fit into their medical school? PhDs are faculty just like the MDs you want so badly to be interviewed by, and I can't see why it would be detrimental to your interview process to have a PhD interview you.

And not to be picky, but you write a dissertation for a PhD, a thesis is for a Masters or some other lesser project.
 
I've had two PhDs interview me. Both of them were extremely nice and I enjoyed the interviews a lot. The one school where an M.D. interviewed me...he was kinda socially awkward, actually. So I guess my experience was different from most of yours.
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by UCSFreak:
• •••quote:•••Originally posted by none:
•You've got to give the PhDs the respect they deserve. They did interview for grad school and they've already been in school a lot longer than you have or even will be.•••••Just wanted to point out that grad school interviews are way different than med school interviews. Getting invited to an interview is almost the same as getting into the school (they do heavy pre-interview screening). Once you are invited to an interview you pretty much have to make yourself look like a complete ass in order not to get in. At the top bio programs (Harvard, Penn, Berkeley, MIT, Columbia, UCLA, Stanford) they spend a lot of money "recruiting" you to their school. My friend at Columbia (1st year PhD), said that they spent $19K during a 3 day period for their recruits, which includes open bar tabs, restaurant bills, etc. They get put up in hotels. Their plane tickets are free. Their interviews are science heavy (what can you tell me about this signaling pathway?) and less "so you accidentally receive extra money in your grant, what do you do?"(ex of an ethical question). Some interviewers are probably high stress, but the majority I have heard about from friends were very laid back, with the exception of a couple at Harvard. So while you still have to interview for PhD programs, they are trying to recruit you to their school . They wanna show you a good time, talk some science, and as long as you aren't totally inept in person, you are probably getting in. In short, PhD interviews are completely different than med school interviews.•••••yes they get treated like kings...and we have to beg for seats <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by Pawnym:
• <img src="http://www.tribalwar.com/forums/images/smilies/cheers.gif" alt="" />•••••Dude I just checked out your profile.....I was like does this funny guy have a face...HAHAHAAHA

my gosh, your so vain :) 2000 pics of you and ur hair hehe :clap: :p

me thinks somebody has A LOT OF TIME ON HIS HANDS...
 
actually... i have low self esteem when it comes to my looks and feel that "most" all my pictures suck. oh well, thats high school scarring me for life :wink:

and yea, i do get bored sometimes... and I just got a camcorder bout 3 months ago.... so i play some. so nya nya!

call me vain tho. It's all in good fun jus like me razzin ya for your opinion on PhD's doin interviews.

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ps. playin w/ my pseudowebsite and cammy takes no time really. I'm a supacomputawhiz(hah har har) cuz i worked at circuit city... "where service is state of the art!" imagine that... <img src="http://www.tribalwar.com/forums/images/smilies/pimp.gif" alt="" />
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by WatchaMaCallit:
•yes they get treated like kings...and we have to beg for seats :(•••••And they get paid to go to school.
 
summamabiscuits.... <img src="http://www.tribalwar.com/forums/images/smilies/flame.gif" alt="" /> with that being said, I now hate PhD's too.

summamabiscuit paid to go to school PhD's -&gt; <img src="http://www.tribalwar.com/forums/images/smilies/sniper.gif" alt="" /> --- Pawnym(me)(you know, vain guy)(vain with laser gun tho WATCH OUT!)

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