Will you say this to the attending?

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Let's say you have a good relationship with this attending and you really like this attending. You also work with this attending in a research. But this attending is really busy and seems always busy. This attending also offer to teach you after you expressed your wish to learn in a casual conversation. However, this attending is always busy...and he may seems to forget???

Now my question is, I really wish he can spent a little bit of time with me and teach me some surgery skill. Can I tell this attending that I really hope that he can spent a little bit of time with me and teach me? Is it appropriate to ask? Will the attending get irritated? Will he think lowly of me if I ask? I know he is busy, and I really don't want to disturb him, because I feel bad disturbing him.
 

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Asking your attending, if you have a good relationship, to teach you something is a compliment. I don't think that would be disturbing to him or her.
 

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Yeah I don't think it's that big a deal. Just say, "Doctor X, I know you're very busy but do you mind explaining so and so to me/showing me how to do so and so when you have some time?" Then ask when would be good for him and set a date or time. It's unlikely that he'd be annoyed, it is a teaching hospital after all.
 

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OMG DO NOT BOTHER THE ATTENDING. GOOD LORD. Surgeons are so busy that they aren't going to remember to take 20 minutes out of their day and teach you a knot. Its just not practical. This is wishful thinking on part of the MS. From the look of it, if you're attending already likes you, you're going to get honors in surgery, you'll get a paper from research, and you'll clearly get a good rec. Why would you jeopardize all this by irritating him?

I know its difficult to understand. But from our point of views, the biggest thing on our mind is why isn't this attending teaching me and forgetting to teach me? They have 1,000,000 other things going on in their head. If I were the attending, I would become irritated.

Listen, unless this guy is a clerkship director and has a RESONSIBILITY to teach, this is a terrible idea. If he's just another faculty member, they don't care that much about you.
 

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Let's say you have a good relationship with this attending and you really like this attending. You also work with this attending in a research. But this attending is really busy and seems always busy. This attending also offer to teach you after you expressed your wish to learn in a casual conversation. However, this attending is always busy...and he may seems to forget???

Now my question is, I really wish he can spent a little bit of time with me and teach me some surgery skill. Can I tell this attending that I really hope that he can spent a little bit of time with me and teach me? Is it appropriate to ask? Will the attending get irritated? Will he think lowly of me if I ask? I know he is busy, and I really don't want to disturb him, because I feel bad disturbing him.

Why don't you just go out of your way to scrub in with him? This is where most surgery teaching occurs. In the meantime, the residents can teach you plenty. You could also email him (less confrontational) and ask whether he would have time to meet with you over the next few weeks (but it should be about pursuing a surgery career, etc, not about "will you teach me now?"). You will make him feel bad, leading to your labeling as a epst if you ask the way you suggested. Just my 0.02
 

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Listen, unless this guy is a clerkship director and has a RESONSIBILITY to teach, this is a terrible idea. If he's just another faculty member, they don't care that much about you.

Bull****. Every faculty member has a RESPONSIBILITY to teach. If they don't want that responsibility, they should do private practice and stay out of academics. They are called 'professors' for God's sake.
 

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Why don't you just go out of your way to scrub in with him? This is where most surgery teaching occurs. In the meantime, the residents can teach you plenty. You could also email him (less confrontational) and ask whether he would have time to meet with you over the next few weeks (but it should be about pursuing a surgery career, etc, not about "will you teach me now?"). You will make him feel bad, leading to your labeling as a epst if you ask the way you suggested. Just my 0.02

The problem is I m not doing a rotation with him. I am doing another rotation, so the resident has no responsibility to teach me. Neither they will have the time, since their time are not flexible compared to the attending. Email him or fixing a time with him for an appointment does not sound suitable in my situation, as I see him almost very often, and I always just walk in to his office, or just call him...sometime I even sit on his chair and occupied his desk and office, eat his snack, use his computer as i like...etc...Yeah..I am pretty close to him, that is how I feel now...however, he is still my superior...and I am a lowly MSIII only...it is because of this, I really don't want to say anything or do anything that could possibly hurt my relation with him. Yet at the same time...as an MSIII...my job is to learn.

Yeah...I do actually scrub in with him sometime, when I am free...and I have to admit that during the operation, he did actually spent time teaching me, like telling me the anatomy, teaching me how to fix it etc...and not pimping me, since he actually knew it is just pointless to pimp me at this time. In fact, I have to admit that, he is the nicest attending to me in my life. If I were to describe, he is the ideal person I will want to work with for the rest of my life.

It seems to me that he only teaches senior residents and not med students. I believe I could be his only med student so far since I have never seen any other med students with him neither I know of any med student that were trained by him before. So I believe he may forget what a med student actually need compare to a senior resident, since senior resident had enough of hands on, all they need is guidance. However, this may not apply to a med student without any hands on experience. Also, the learning method in any kind of surgery is more of hands-on, not just giving lecture. The more you do the better you are. So I actually wish he can teach me hands on and let me do some, and not just giving me lecture, which is useful, but not so much useful to me at this time. That is why I really wish he spent time and teach me hands on let me do it.
 

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Perhaps the real question you should ask yourself is this:

Is what he has to teach you so unique that you will not have opportunity to learn it from anyone else, at any other time? You have to recognize that you will be potentially irritating him with your request, and depending on how you phrase it, run the risk of implying that he is not being a good teacher (which may upset him). You need to balance these realities with the potential benefits of more teaching time from him. Only you can really resolve this issue.

It is all fine and good to say that he has a responsibility to teach you (as clinical med school faculty, he does), but the reality of the situation is that having a pissed-off attending the rest of the rotation may be an even worse situation than you have now.
 

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If you aren't doing a rotation with him, then who cares if you "irritate" him by asking? Its not like you are going to get a bad eval or something.

He can say yes or no, or whatever he wants. Getting irritated at a request is sort of unreasonable, but anyway, ultimately its his problem if he can't handle being asked a question. I say go ahead and ask if its something you want, but ask in a way that respectfully leaves him the freedom to answer yes or no however he might want/need to.

Good luck!
 
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