Hi all,
Anybody know what working conditions are like for doctors in Germany and how difficult it is to get a job there?
Anybody know what working conditions are like for doctors in Germany and how difficult it is to get a job there?
Well, they are much better than those in the US. How difficult - it depends on your specialty, location, profile, work permit status and many other factors.
Vielleicht wenn du deine Frage etwas genauer formulierst, wäre diese einfacher zu beantworten?
Well, they are much better than those in the US. How difficult - it depends on your specialty, location, profile, work permit status and many other factors.
Vielleicht wenn du deine Frage etwas genauer formulierst, wäre diese einfacher zu beantworten?
- liability is limited, resulting in better training for surgical specialties
- any reimbursement issues are not doctors headache at all, even in a private practice.
- the EHRs are less cumbersome
- hospital administration has less to say
- yearly vacation time is longer (it varies, but normally not under 4 wks)
- free medschool, no premed, 6 years in total
- no matching, but individual work/training contracts instead, allowing a great degree of flexibility.
May vary by clinic and specialty, but roughly the same as in the States. However they start not at 4-5 am, but at 6-7.30 am
You are absolutely right and please note, I never mentioned good remuneration among the good things! The pay used to be real craps, but now things are getting better.
I am Switzerland-based, but some 15 miles from the German border, so I have some idea what's going on, but only to a certain extent. The article you quoted is ten years old, back then the Swiss hospitals were flooded with German doctors seeking better pay. Today it is much harder to recruit Germans and many of whom I know are now back in Germany, saying that the payment is better indeed. The job market situation is never set in stone, so things may improve or otherwise. At the moment they are better in Germany, then in the US, but that's my humble opinion only. After all, the US have an access to an unlimited pool of doctors from all over the world, but Germany can't (the language!), so they have to take care of their doctors this way or another.
May I ask, why are you interested on these subjects? In theory only, just to compare different countries or contemplating different career paths to pursue?
As for your question, only Swiss nationals or offspring of Swiss residents can apply to a medschool there. That means, as a non EU you are eligible only if your parents have lived and worked more than five years in this country AND they obtained a work/residence permit, too.
Très bien! Je te souhaite beaucoup de succès. Mois, je suis dans le B1 maintenant, mais pour notre metier, on dois avoir le C1 ou C2...
I don't know you, of course, there are many things to factor in, but if I were a non-EU national willing to become a doctor in a developed country, I would consider a medical school in Poland, Lithuania or Latvia. Most of them do accept non-EU students and provide very decent teaching so it is possible to achieve a high Steps score. The tuition down there is moderate so are the living expenses.
BTW I have done my rotations side-to-side to the graduates from those countries and almost all of them were very skillfull and knowledgeable. They are definitely not like those ones from Caribbean diploma mills.
In particular, I have heard many good things about Jagellonian University in Poland, Karlov University in Prague and University of Vilnijus and Riga University. Some of them even teach pre-med (first and second year) in English, so you can study and develop your language skills at the same time. In the 3rd year and after you must speak local language in order to communicate with your patients.
Sorry, but I can't quite follow what your long term goals are. From what I understood, you are a US citizen, no? Then you could go to medschool, say in Poland, pass your steps and match in the States. That's it.
If you have some other agenda, you may want to start another thread, clearly listing your objectives, conditions and your paricular question. We are now in a thread about working conditions in Germany, but this discussion goes in a completely different direction.