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Provided its the only one you get into, would you go/have gone to a medical school that only offers courses via a live, classroom video feed?
HEEELLLLL 2 Da NAWWW I dont want nething thats easier (maybe DO skool) I want to go thro the tradional trails and tribulations.Provided its the only one you get into, would you go/have gone to a medical school that only offers courses via a live, classroom video feed?
HEEELLLLL 2 Da NAWWW I dont want nething thats easier (maybe DO skool) I want to go thro the tradional trails and tribulations.
Provided its the only one you get into, would you go/have gone to a medical school that only offers courses via a live, classroom video feed?
fck no. i'm not going to be a second class citizen.Provided its the only one you get into, would you go/have gone to a medical school that only offers courses via a live, classroom video feed?
I just finished the pre-clinical years in the Independent Study Program at OSU (which is being eliminated in a few years), so I'd have to say that as long as it's credible school, why not?
Nice grammar and spelling, bro!HEEELLLLL 2 Da NAWWW I dont want nething thats easier (maybe DO skool) I want to go thro the tradional trails and tribulations.
I just finished the pre-clinical years in the Independent Study Program at OSU (which is being eliminated in a few years), so I'd have to say that as long as it's credible school, why not?
What's with everyone wanting a new, easy way out?
First there's 3 year programs popping up, and now online programs? Sure lectures can be online, but what about practicing physicals, patient histories, shadowing, rotations, anatomy labs, histo labs, PBL sessions, long term patient exposures, networking with future colleagues, etc. Some of those can be done over video chat, but its much less effective.
You really want to be a doctor, put in the work/time, like people have for years.
What's with everyone wanting a new, easy way out?
First there's 3 year programs popping up, and now online programs? Sure lectures can be online, but what about practicing physicals, patient histories, shadowing, rotations, anatomy labs, histo labs, PBL sessions, long term patient exposures, networking with future colleagues, etc. Some of those can be done over video chat, but its much less effective.
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This isn't an online course. The students are present in a lecture hall watching a telecast from another campus. What's the problem with that? You can see and hear the lecture. How does this make them a second class citizen? [bleargh] ...and you wanna be a doctor?? WOW! So sad.
Edit: bleargh, Are you equating a discussion of URM issues to spreading herpes??
Where are there 3 year programs?
Where are there 3 year programs?
First there's 3 year programs popping up, and now online programs? Sure lectures can be online, but what about practicing physicals, patient histories, shadowing, rotations, anatomy labs, histo labs, PBL sessions, long term patient exposures, networking with future colleagues, etc. Some of those can be done over video chat, but its much less effective.
I go to the MD school at MSU, so I do have some interaction with the DO students. The southeast michigan sites for the DO schools have their own anatomy labs, their own clinical classrooms and their own teachers on top of the normal professors. Lectures are also commonly broadcast FROM those locations to us in Lansing.
Besides, most students at MSU (either MD or DO) don't go to live lectures anyway. Lectures can be watched online almost immediately after the lecture at twice the speed from the comfort of your own couch.
I actually kind of enjoyed learning the physical exams, but almost everything else I was forced to do these last two years was an unforgivable waste of my time. Providing prosections would have literally cut my time in gross lab by 80% yet not affected my learning in the slightest. The clinical cases we had to sit through where they slowly reveal information about patients in an attempt to get you to think about what they had were just god-awful. It was either "This patient has a fever. What's the differential?" or "We're discussing a woman who smokes and is on birth control during the pulmonary unit. What's your differential?*" There was also the occasional "We're going to hold back this one indispensable yet completely revealing piece of information until the end" technique. You didn't think it was a good plan to show us that patient with bilateral pneumonia's cxr, huh? Cool.You will be amazed how completely and totally useless it is to do these things during the first two years of medical school. You will learn to hate all of these experiences, both because they are worthless unto themselves and because you will need the time to actually study. Honestly even rotations probably emphasize experiences too much over reading, but during the first two years the ONLY thing you need is time to study on your own and occasional exams to prove that you're learning. Anatomy lab is the only thing that you've listed that I've seen anyone find useful for those two years, and for me even that was a time waster.
A new program at one of the texas schools that is a 3 year program for those going into family practice. It cuts out many other rotations and some science, and they have to go into FP.
I think Texas A&M does something like this too, only a little different. They have 2 campuses they use for the pre-clinicial years and, if I understand correctly, the lectures are pretty evenly split, meaning that whatever campus you are on, half your lectures are live and the other half are video-fed from the other campus. Someone at A&M could maybe comment how that is, but I think people generally like the school and don't think its a big deal.
I actually kind of enjoyed learning the physical exams, but almost everything else I was forced to do these last two years was an unforgivable waste of my time. Providing prosections would have literally cut my time in gross lab by 80% yet not affected my learning in the slightest. The clinical cases we had to sit through where they slowly reveal information about patients in an attempt to get you to think about what they had were just god-awful. It was either "This patient has a fever. What's the differential?" or "We're discussing a woman who smokes and is on birth control during the pulmonary unit. What's your differential?*" There was also the occasional "We're going to hold back this one indispensable yet completely revealing piece of information until the end" technique. You didn't think it was a good plan to show us that patient with bilateral pneumonia's cxr, huh? Cool.
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A couple of people asked about the Independent Study Program at OSU- I'm not entirely sure why they're getting rid of it. They're planning on merging IP and ISP and integrating more clinical experience beginning at the start of Med 1. I'm not entirely sure what the logic is as in my experience you don't seem to learn a lot in clinic until you have an idea of what you should be looking for. They had a few meetings to explain the changes, but I couldn't make it as I had exams around then (and honestly, the changes don't affect me).
This is probably also somewhat motivated by the difficulties experienced with trying to integrate the CAPS capstone project into 2nd year (essentially a series of case presentations). They basically had to re-arrange the entire 2nd year schedule for ISP students this year because of it (we ended with Micro and Infectious Disease). Furthermore, it seems like the number of ISP students has been dropping recently. There weren't a lot in this year's M1 class.
OSU's always tinkering with things (they decided to switch from 14 weeks of gross to 10 sometime between my interview and the start of Med 1) and they may believe that it would be easier to change if there was only one pathway. Anyways, that's my best guess. I think the changes are at least a few years out.
Nice grammar and spelling, bro!
I'm not usually a grammar nazi, but that is just plain annoying.
Then again, if you're limited to FP and presumably limited to training in rural Texas, do you really need to do that big of a Step 1 score?
That's what I said, they don't need a big score....but they DO still need to pass step 1 to be licensed, and I imagine the stuff eliminated preclinical year as irrelevant for FP is exactly the material the boards focuses on.