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Anyone seeing this trend in pain fellowships?

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At ‘woke’ medical schools, curricula are increasingly focused on social justice rather than treating illness.
By Stanley Goldfarb
Sept. 12, 2019 5:54 pm ET


The American College of Physicians says its mission is to promote the “quality and effectiveness of health care,” but it’s stepped out of its lane recently with sweeping statements on gun control. And that isn’t the only recent foray into politics by medical professionals. During my term as associate dean of curriculum at the University of Pennsylvania’s medical school, I was chastised by a faculty member for not including a program on climate change in the course of study. As the Journal reported last month, such programs are spreading across medical schools nationwide.

Why have medical schools become a target for inculcating social policy when the stated purpose of medical education since Hippocrates has been to develop individuals who know how to cure patients?

A new wave of educational specialists is increasingly influencing medical education. They emphasize “social justice” that relates to health care only tangentially. This approach is the result of a progressive mind-set that abhors hierarchy of any kind and the social elitism associated with the medical profession in particular.

These educators focus on eliminating health disparities and ensuring that the next generation of physicians is well-equipped to deal with cultural diversity, which are worthwhile goals. But teaching these issues is coming at the expense of rigorous training in medical science. The prospect of this “new,” politicized medical education should worry all Americans.

The traditional American model of medical training, which has been emulated around the world, emphasizes a scientific approach to treatment and subjects students to rigorous classroom instruction. Students didn’t encounter patients until they had some fundamental knowledge of disease processes and knew how to interpret symptoms. They were expected to appreciate medical advances and be able to incorporate them into their eventual fields of practice. Medical education was demanding and occasionally led to student failure, but it produced a technically proficient and responsible physician corps for the U.S.

The traditional American model first came under attack by progressive sociologists of the 1960s and ’70s, who condemned medicine as a failing enterprise because increased spending hadn’t led to breakthroughs in cancer treatment and other fields. The influential critic Ivan Illich called the medical industry an instrument of “pain, sickness, and death,” and sought to reorder the field toward an egalitarian social purpose. These ideas were long kept out of the mainstream of medical education, but the tide of recent political culture has brought them in.


As concerns about social justice have taken over undergraduate education, graduate schools have raced to develop curricula that will steep future educators in the same ideology. Today a master’s degree in education is often what it takes to qualify for key administrative roles on medical-school faculties. The zeitgeist of sociology and social work have become the driving force in medical education. The goal of today’s educators is to produce legions of primary care physicians who engage in what is termed “population health.”

This fits perfectly with the current administrator-rich, policy-heavy, form-over-function approach at every level of American education. Theories of learning with virtually no experimental basis for their impact on society and professions now prevail. Students are taught in the tradition of educational theorist Étienne Wenger, who emphasized “communal learning” rather than individual mastery of crucial information.

Where will all this lead? Medical school bureaucracies have become bloated, as they have in every other sphere of education. Curricula will increasingly focus on climate change, social inequities, gun violence, bias and other progressive causes only tangentially related to treating illness. And so will many of your doctors in coming years.

Meanwhile, oncologists, cardiologists, surgeons and other medical specialists are in short supply. The specialists who are produced must master more crucial material even though less and less of their medical-school education is devoted to basic scientific knowledge. If this country needs more gun control and climate change activists, medical schools are not the right place to produce them.


Dr. Goldfarb is a former associate dean of curriculum at the University of Pennsylvania’s Perelman School of Medicine.

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This would be funnier if climate change wasn’t actually already a health issue and likely to get much worse during the students’ careers.
 
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This would be funnier if climate change wasn’t actually already a health issue and likely to get much worse during the students’ careers.
Point is still the same. Climate change shouldn’t be part of the training of a physician.

They can scream about the sky is falling all day long in many other fields, but not everything that happens in the universe is related to climate change or sexual/racial discrimination, contrary to the well ingrained belief systems of modern day left wingers.
I swear they say that as as a mantra before bed each night!!, because it’s all they see or talk about in the world.
 
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Point is still the same. Climate change shouldn’t be part of the training of a physician.

They can scream about the sky is falling all day long in many other fields, but not every that happens in the universe is related to climate change or sexual/racial discrimination, contrary to the well ingrained belief systems of modern day left wingers. I swear they say the opposite as a mantra before bed each night!!,,
The real “sky is falling” mentality is the people complaining about how climate change and LGBT awareness is eroding medical education. It’s probably literally a one-hour lecture sometime during the first or second year of med school...
 
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The real “sky is falling” mentality is the people complaining about how climate change and LGBT awareness is eroding medical education. It’s probably literally a one-hour lecture sometime during the first or second year of med school...

Any anecdotes about "woke" pain fellowships?
 
Anyone seeing this trend in pain fellowships?

Take Two Aspirin and Call Me by My Pronouns

At ‘woke’ medical schools, curricula are increasingly focused on social justice rather than treating illness.
By Stanley Goldfarb
Sept. 12, 2019 5:54 pm ET


The American College of Physicians says its mission is to promote the “quality and effectiveness of health care,” but it’s stepped out of its lane recently with sweeping statements on gun control. And that isn’t the only recent foray into politics by medical professionals. During my term as associate dean of curriculum at the University of Pennsylvania’s medical school, I was chastised by a faculty member for not including a program on climate change in the course of study. As the Journal reported last month, such programs are spreading across medical schools nationwide.

Why have medical schools become a target for inculcating social policy when the stated purpose of medical education since Hippocrates has been to develop individuals who know how to cure patients?

A new wave of educational specialists is increasingly influencing medical education. They emphasize “social justice” that relates to health care only tangentially. This approach is the result of a progressive mind-set that abhors hierarchy of any kind and the social elitism associated with the medical profession in particular.

These educators focus on eliminating health disparities and ensuring that the next generation of physicians is well-equipped to deal with cultural diversity, which are worthwhile goals. But teaching these issues is coming at the expense of rigorous training in medical science. The prospect of this “new,” politicized medical education should worry all Americans.

The traditional American model of medical training, which has been emulated around the world, emphasizes a scientific approach to treatment and subjects students to rigorous classroom instruction. Students didn’t encounter patients until they had some fundamental knowledge of disease processes and knew how to interpret symptoms. They were expected to appreciate medical advances and be able to incorporate them into their eventual fields of practice. Medical education was demanding and occasionally led to student failure, but it produced a technically proficient and responsible physician corps for the U.S.

The traditional American model first came under attack by progressive sociologists of the 1960s and ’70s, who condemned medicine as a failing enterprise because increased spending hadn’t led to breakthroughs in cancer treatment and other fields. The influential critic Ivan Illich called the medical industry an instrument of “pain, sickness, and death,” and sought to reorder the field toward an egalitarian social purpose. These ideas were long kept out of the mainstream of medical education, but the tide of recent political culture has brought them in.


As concerns about social justice have taken over undergraduate education, graduate schools have raced to develop curricula that will steep future educators in the same ideology. Today a master’s degree in education is often what it takes to qualify for key administrative roles on medical-school faculties. The zeitgeist of sociology and social work have become the driving force in medical education. The goal of today’s educators is to produce legions of primary care physicians who engage in what is termed “population health.”

This fits perfectly with the current administrator-rich, policy-heavy, form-over-function approach at every level of American education. Theories of learning with virtually no experimental basis for their impact on society and professions now prevail. Students are taught in the tradition of educational theorist Étienne Wenger, who emphasized “communal learning” rather than individual mastery of crucial information.

Where will all this lead? Medical school bureaucracies have become bloated, as they have in every other sphere of education. Curricula will increasingly focus on climate change, social inequities, gun violence, bias and other progressive causes only tangentially related to treating illness. And so will many of your doctors in coming years.

Meanwhile, oncologists, cardiologists, surgeons and other medical specialists are in short supply. The specialists who are produced must master more crucial material even though less and less of their medical-school education is devoted to basic scientific knowledge. If this country needs more gun control and climate change activists, medical schools are not the right place to produce them.


Dr. Goldfarb is a former associate dean of curriculum at the University of Pennsylvania’s Perelman School of Medicine.

this is not a pain medicine issue, so stop trying to cause trouble.

one could easily argue that gun-related issues are the realm of preventative medicine / primary care. it is more difficult to make that stretch with climate change.

the article, like your post, is meant to be purposely inflammatory. WSJ is trying to sell papers. im not sure what your angle is.

an opinion piece by one dude does not mean that all of medical education falls outside of your world view
 
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this is not a pain medicine issue, so stop trying to cause trouble.

one could easily argue that gun-related issues are the realm of preventative medicine / primary care. it is more difficult to make that stretch with climate change.

the article, like your post, is meant to be purposely inflammatory. WSJ is trying to sell papers. im not sure what your angle is.

an opinion piece by one dude does not mean that all of medical education falls outside of your world view

What people like you and me mostly disagree about are VALUES.
 
I don’t think bedrock or drusso are being alarmist. It’s been a slow inoculation these last few decades. The PC police are slowly dictating what you can and can’t say publicly until you just shut up for fear of losing your job, reputation, family etc.
 
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We should come up with a new way to educate doctors, and undergrads for that matter. Things have changed since students had to go away to a place of higher learning to acquire knowledge. This should be a "progressive" movement...
 
yes, we definitely should not talk about any social issues in medical school. they didn't when I went to medical school.

that way, I was able to feign complete ignorance about the ills of cigarette smoking and how someone could possibly have gotten cancer from 3 packs per day. I was able to plausibly deny that heroin actually kills people, that drunk driving actually exists....

now surgeons and possibly by extension pain doctors can feign ignorance that social ills do not affect patient's health, but it is fully in the purview of a primary care internist to know about what is going on in society
 
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If you have any skepticism about the "climate crisis", it's better not to mention it.


I will-

We are all "scientists" in one form or another. Many of us have published extensively in the literature.

"Global Warming" is an academic farce based on faulty data accumulation and incorrect statistical analysis. A review of the "key papers" on AGW is a tour of "bad science" and one wonders how the hell it ever got through an editorial board. Lack of standardization of data accumulation, four different temp measurement techniques, elimination of wide standard deviations in "proxy" temp measurements, and misrepresentation of temps by locations in "convenient" urban sites are common in AGW. Keep in mind the famous Mann "hockey stick" article was published just after finishing his PhD (it shows) and he was nearly dismissed later from his appointment at Penn State by a vote of his colleagues over academic fraud, but was saved by the chancellor.

AGW is like "nails on the chalkboard" to me and is the anti-thesis of rational science.
 
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The question remains, despite @SSdoc33 and @Ducttape not wanting to answer it, "What obligation to students, residents, and fellows have to call out non-evidence based Wokeness in their programs?"

If a pain faculty person said, "People with pain can't get addicted to opioids..." that would not be acceptable. Why is it acceptable for them to say, "Health outcomes will improve if everyone has insurance," or "Fossil fuels are causing increases in respiratory illnesses," or "Universal income will reduce health diparities."
 
I will-

We are all "scientists" in one form or another. Many of us have published extensively in the literature.

"Global Warming" is an academic farce based on faulty data accumulation and incorrect statistical analysis. A review of the "key papers" on AGW is a tour of "bad science" and one wonders how the hell it ever got through an editorial board. Lack of standardization of data accumulation, four different temp measurement techniques, elimination of wide standard deviations in "proxy" temp measurements, and misrepresentation of temps by locations in "convenient" urban sites are common in AGW. Keep in mind the famous Mann "hockey stick" article was published just after finishing his PhD (it shows) and he was nearly dismissed later from his appointment at Penn State by a vote of his colleagues over academic fraud, but was saved by the chancellor.

AGW is like "nails on the chalkboard" to me and is the anti-thesis of rational science.

everything you post from now on is worthless.

its a shame, b/c you SEEMED to have your finger on the pulse. i have read your medical posts with much enthusiasm. and i thought i had learned from your experience. now, i question everything you have ever posted.

very very disappointing

and no, i am not overreacting. this sort of BS thinking will literally get us all killed.
 
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The question remains, despite @SSdoc33 and @Ducttape not wanting to answer it, "What obligation to students, residents, and fellows have to call out non-evidence based Wokeness in their programs?"

If a pain faculty person said, "People with pain can't get addicted to opioids..." that would not be acceptable. Why is it acceptable for them to say, "Health outcomes will improve if everyone has insurance," or "Fossil fuels are causing increases in respiratory illnesses," or "Universal income will reduce health diparities."

if a student, resident or fellow doesnt like the material in their curricula, they are free to leave. no obligation exists.

you are posing hypotheticals that dont apply in real world medical education. certainly not real world pain medicine education. an epidural is an epidural whether you believe that everyone should have an AK-47 or not
 
I will-

We are all "scientists" in one form or another. Many of us have published extensively in the literature.

"Global Warming" is an academic farce based on faulty data accumulation and incorrect statistical analysis. A review of the "key papers" on AGW is a tour of "bad science" and one wonders how the hell it ever got through an editorial board. Lack of standardization of data accumulation, four different temp measurement techniques, elimination of wide standard deviations in "proxy" temp measurements, and misrepresentation of temps by locations in "convenient" urban sites are common in AGW. Keep in mind the famous Mann "hockey stick" article was published just after finishing his PhD (it shows) and he was nearly dismissed later from his appointment at Penn State by a vote of his colleagues over academic fraud, but was saved by the chancellor.

AGW is like "nails on the chalkboard" to me and is the anti-thesis of rational science.
So in saying that you are a scientist, surely you recognize the narrowness of expertise that comes with. The more specialized and deep the knowledge, the narrower the scope. You have demonstrated vast knowledge and experience in pain medicine since you have joined the board, and are a huge asset to people like myself just getting started in my career. But you are not a climate scientist. Even in my life things are noticeably warmer. The glaciers are melting more each year. Every year is the hottest on record. Actual climate scientists overwhelmingly agree that AGW is real, and there’s a huge “controversy” funded by fossil fuel companies. If you get your news from far right outlets, though, they have always been a ready mouthpiece for such business-backed initiatives, just like Oprah was a huge mouthpiece for the antivaccine movement on the left.
I know I’m not going to convince you here because this viewpoint is too tied in to other political views, but just look around. And yes, I think it’s worth teaching future doctors about the effects of global warming. Tropical diseases have started to spread further up into the US, and they should probably understand why that’s going to continue to get worse.

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The question remains, despite @SSdoc33 and @Ducttape not wanting to answer it, "What obligation to students, residents, and fellows have to call out non-evidence based Wokeness in their programs?"

If a pain faculty person said, "People with pain can't get addicted to opioids..." that would not be acceptable. Why is it acceptable for them to say, "Health outcomes will improve if everyone has insurance," or "Fossil fuels are causing increases in respiratory illnesses," or "Universal income will reduce health diparities."
1. in academia, we treat everyone as if they did have insurance. even you must admit that it was a shocker to you when you went out in the real world and the first time a patient said "I cant afford that, doc."
2. I assume from your post that it is not okay to tell medical students that patients on Medicaid have worse health related outcomes from almost all procedures and treatments? or self pay patients are more likely to not go through with treatment, or present to hospitals as a whole sicker than those with insurance?
3. I assume then it is okay to blithely ignore that marketing for products like cigarettes and vaping solutions differentially target teenagers and children?
4. oh yes, and it is clearly not appropriate to talk about gun safety...
5. I wonder how many patients that had illicit fentanyl OD were not treated appropriately by ER docs that did not know that this drug was on the streets....

keep your laser focused on SOS. literally. pain doctors might not have to worry about social concerns with regards to their patient's health, (and especially those private practices that do not see Medicaid or self-pay), but not in primary care or emergency medicine.
 
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everything you post from now on is worthless.

its a shame, b/c you SEEMED to have your finger on the pulse. i have read your medical posts with much enthusiasm. and i thought i had learned from your experience. now, i question everything you have ever posted.

very very disappointing

and no, i am not overreacting. this sort of BS thinking will literally get us all killed.
Please expound on how I'm going to be killed.

Edit: It's a GOOD thing that you are questioning everything posted. Good science can withstand skepticism!
 
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Please expound on how I'm going to be killed.

Edit: It's a GOOD thing that you are questioning everything posted. Good science can withstand skepticism!

short term: more severe weather events, diminished food supply, higher risk of some cancers, etc
long term: planet becomes uninhabitable for humans

and theres a big in-between

 
I don’t think bedrock or drusso are being alarmist. It’s been a slow inoculation these last few decades. The PC police are slowly dictating what you can and can’t say publicly until you just shut up for fear of losing your job, reputation, family etc.

Control speech, you control thought. Control thought, you control the populace.
 
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everything you post from now on is worthless.

its a shame, b/c you SEEMED to have your finger on the pulse. i have read your medical posts with much enthusiasm. and i thought i had learned from your experience. now, i question everything you have ever posted.

very very disappointing

and no, i am not overreacting. this sort of BS thinking will literally get us all killed.

He does not agree with your Propaganda, therefore you can deem him an enemy and discard en masse all his future opinions. Deperson him. Erase him. Excellent work comrade. When the revolution comes you will have no qualms sending him to the gulag for thought crimes.
 
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He does not agree with your Propaganda, therefore you can deem him an enemy and discard en masse all his future opinions. Deperson him. Erase him. Excellent work comrade. When the revolution comes you will have no qualms sending him to the gulag for thought crimes.

you tell me who's closer to stalin, marx, and lenin: trump or hillary?
 
except its not propaganda. its the truth as we study it.

people yelling "fake news" at scientific fact and "Just remember: What you’re seeing and what you’re reading is not what’s happening" is what gets people eventually imprisoned.
 
I’m curious what subjects these are that cannot be mentioned.
Well SSodc's response is one example. Instead of a thoughtful discuss he goes on the offensive with personal attacks

SSdoc33 said:
everything you post from now on is worthless.

its a shame, b/c you SEEMED to have your finger on the pulse. i have read your medical posts with much enthusiasm. and i thought i had learned from your experience. now, i question everything you have ever posted.

very very disappointing

and no, i am not overreacting. this sort of BS thinking will literally get us all killed.
 
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Well SSodc's response is one example. Instead of a thoughtful discuss he goes on the offensive with personal attacks

SSdoc33 said:
everything you post from now on is worthless.

its a shame, b/c you SEEMED to have your finger on the pulse. i have read your medical posts with much enthusiasm. and i thought i had learned from your experience. now, i question everything you have ever posted.

very very disappointing

and no, i am not overreacting. this sort of BS thinking will literally get us all killed.

This is a typical response from people with a certain kind of value system.
 
I will-

We are all "scientists" in one form or another. Many of us have published extensively in the literature.

"Global Warming" is an academic farce based on faulty data accumulation and incorrect statistical analysis. A review of the "key papers" on AGW is a tour of "bad science" and one wonders how the hell it ever got through an editorial board. Lack of standardization of data accumulation, four different temp measurement techniques, elimination of wide standard deviations in "proxy" temp measurements, and misrepresentation of temps by locations in "convenient" urban sites are common in AGW. Keep in mind the famous Mann "hockey stick" article was published just after finishing his PhD (it shows) and he was nearly dismissed later from his appointment at Penn State by a vote of his colleagues over academic fraud, but was saved by the chancellor.

AGW is like "nails on the chalkboard" to me and is the anti-thesis of rational science.
Wow :unsure:
 
Well SSodc's response is one example. Instead of a thoughtful discuss he goes on the offensive with personal attacks

SSdoc33 said:
everything you post from now on is worthless.

its a shame, b/c you SEEMED to have your finger on the pulse. i have read your medical posts with much enthusiasm. and i thought i had learned from your experience. now, i question everything you have ever posted.

very very disappointing

and no, i am not overreacting. this sort of BS thinking will literally get us all killed.

there is no thoughtful discussion when dealing with climate change deniers.

also, there was no personal or ad hominem attack
 
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This is a typical response from people with a certain kind of value system.

your clear insinuation is that somehow your "values" are superior to mine. i find that laughable
 
Of course not

so holocaust survivors or their kids should have to listen to this crap? so white supremacists can use it as propaganda. besides just regurgitating "first amendment", can you give me a legitimate reason why holocaust denial should be legal?
 
there is no thoughtful discussion when dealing with climate change deniers.
That's not for you or others to decide. Not in America. In a lot of other countries the govt can just deem something "not of value" and send goons to arrest the perpetrator. As a result of the fascism that evolved from this mindset, the framers of the US constitution put "freedom of speech" as one of the pillars of our free society.
 
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You should offer to give a lecture, on behalf of Chairman Xi.

SMH. and the orange man in the white house? you dont seem to have a problem when he tries to curtail freedom of speech or the press
 
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That's not for you or others to decide. Not in America. In a lot of other countries the govt can just deem something "not of value" and send goons to arrest the perpetrator. As a result of the fascism that evolved from this mindset, the framers of the US constitution put "freedom of speech" as one of the pillars of our free society.

got it. ill just publish step by step instructions on how to build a nuclear bomb or yell "fire" in a crowded theater.
 
got it. ill just publish step by step instructions on how to build a nuclear bomb or yell "fire" in a crowded theater.
Those examples are more than just threatening ideas and notions and contrary opinions. You also can't stick a megaphone in someone's ear...

What you are talking about is the concept of heresy. Someone like Galileo would not have fared well in your society.
 
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so holocaust survivors or their kids should have to listen to this crap? so white supremacists can use it as propaganda. besides just regurgitating "first amendment", can you give me a legitimate reason why holocaust denial should be legal?
No, they don't have to listen to this crap. Its pretty easy to tune it out opinions you don't like just like I tune out anti-vaccine crazies.

There doesn't need to be any other reason other than first amendment rights (and if you understood the reason its the first amendment this wouldn't be an issue).

But since you asked nicely, because banning speech leads to banning more speech. You get the idea. Every dictatorship in history (or at least in the last 200 years) has banned speech it didn't like. The ability to speak out against the government is crucial to freedom. If the government decides to ban Holocaust denial, what's to stop it banning speech against whatever else it wants?
 
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im aware. it is in several european counties

should it be here?

Of course not. it happened. But we shoudl
so holocaust survivors or their kids should have to listen to this crap? so white supremacists can use it as propaganda. besides just regurgitating "first amendment", can you give me a legitimate reason why holocaust denial should be legal?

Your are kidding, right? You want to make dissenting opinion illegal? Do you realize this is fascism you are asking for?

We don't need to give you a "reason" free speech should not be infringed. Free speech is a god given right. It is not granted to us by the government. It is simply recognized by the government.

You don't need to give me a "reason" you want the government to control your life like a slave. You are free to say whatever you like. I'd actually fight to support YOUR right to free speech. Conversely, you don't want anybody to voice dissenting opinion to you. You tell me who is in the wrong here.
 
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No, they don't have to listen to this crap. Its pretty easy to tune it out opinions you don't like just like I tune out anti-vaccine crazies.

There doesn't need to be any other reason other than first amendment rights (and if you understood the reason its the first amendment this wouldn't be an issue).

But since you asked nicely, because banning speech leads to banning more speech. You get the idea. Every dictatorship in history (or at least in the last 200 years) has banned speech it didn't like. The ability to speak out against the government is crucial to freedom. If the government decides to ban Holocaust denial, what's to stop it banning speech against whatever else it wants?

kudos
 
It’s pretty simple, 70 year old guy wishes things were the way the used to be.

But modern med schools also reflect the concerns of students and junior faculty and they’re concerned about different things. Regarding climate change, a 22 year is going to be living with it a lot longer than a retired gut, even if they both have long lives. Naturally the kids are going to be more worried.
 
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No, they don't have to listen to this crap. Its pretty easy to tune it out opinions you don't like just like I tune out anti-vaccine crazies.

There doesn't need to be any other reason other than first amendment rights (and if you understood the reason its the first amendment this wouldn't be an issue).

But since you asked nicely, because banning speech leads to banning more speech. You get the idea. Every dictatorship in history (or at least in the last 200 years) has banned speech it didn't like. The ability to speak out against the government is crucial to freedom. If the government decides to ban Holocaust denial, what's to stop it banning speech against whatever else it wants?

This is pure gold. @SSdoc33 @Ducttape
 
Guess I missed the part about Australia and Germany becoming Dictatorships?
 
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