There is one of these threads a year, and I'm sorry for starting a new one but I'm split. Which school? I know the curricula are different, and I like them both a lot, and I think I'd do well in either. I'm in-state Californian...
I think I wrote this in another post somewhere, but here is a shortened version again:somethingpositive, how did you decide?
Wow - they are so confident in their own abilities that they will go to the school with the big name in medical circles.... did you think about this before typing? Anyone who gets into UCSF, Yale, Harvard, Stanford, UPenn etc has multiple choices and it is a toss-up to say which is bigger-name and foolish to think that you can determine their reasons for selecting a school.Some people don't like UCSF because it doesn't have the "name" of some of the ivy leagues. First, among medical circles that's false. Medical professionals know that UCSF graduates are some of the smartest students in the country. However, it's true that because it lacks an undergraduate program, the average non-medical person doesn't realize that UCSF is awesome. If that's important to you, then go to Yale. But take note of the corollary: That students who go to UCSF had bigger-name choices, and they are the kind of people who are confident enough in their own abilities and the medical reputation of the school to choose UCSF anyway.
Gee, I'm sure the dean who was fired from UCSF and left Yale is the best source of info on this point. And I'm sure UCSF and Harvard are the only schools where you write your own ticket - probably why *only* 10% of Yale's class is going to UCSF and 15% to Harvard. Clearly you have not seen our match list from this year or any previous year, because you would quickly realize the mistake in this statement. UCSF or Harvard applicants may go where they want, I don't know - but so do Yale grads. Yale matched 100% last 2 years, and Stanford did as well. Too bad UCSF and Harvard couldn't do that.The only decision that should ever be tough is UCSF vs. Harvard. If not between those two, then choose the one of those you did get in to. FWIW our old dean (Also ex-dean of Yale Medical School) said to me during dinner I would have been near ******ed to choose Yale over UCSF in medical school. Yale has a great undergrad, bud med school... no choice. With UCSF or Harvard, you write your own ticket....
What about UCSF is incredible? I know more about Yale than I do about UCSF and would be interested in knowing more about why people think UCSF is fantastic. I do admit that Yale's match list is very impressive, and the people there are great...UCSF hands down. The institution is INCREDIBLE. And who gives a sh$t whether the average lay person has heard of UCSF... your training there will be incredible.....
you have to be one of the lamest people in the world...its not surprising that your kind made it in.....There is one of these threads a year, and I'm sorry for starting a new one but I'm split. Which school? I know the curricula are different, and I like them both a lot, and I think I'd do well in either. I'm in-state Californian...
Do you have this choice of acceptances (Yale vs UCSF) or not? Sounds like you are some pre-med trolling for info, not someone who has this choice and is looking for additional insight, if you actually are instate CA, applied and got accepted to UCSF, and you are asking these kinds of questions...What about UCSF is incredible? I know more about Yale than I do about UCSF and would be interested in knowing more about why people think UCSF is fantastic. I do admit that Yale's match list is very impressive, and the people there are great...
You don't want to live in the part of town with the best nightlife. In just about any city, the part of town with the best nightlife looks and smells like a bad urinal by the time daylight hits. The Inner Sunset, where UCSF is, is a nice little neighborhood with a few good bars and restaurants. You're a quick walk from the Haight, which has even more. If you want to go clubbing, you need to get in a cab, but you don't want to live in those neighborhoods as a med student anyway.Parnassus, I've heard, is not a great part of SF, due to weather and lack of nightlife (?).
Sorry if I made it sound that way. I know why *I* think UCSF is incredible. I made the thread only to see if there was other information/opinions that I had not considered yet. I've visited Yale on several occasions and have a good feel for the school and have only visited UCSF for two days during my interview. Basically I was just trying to get someone to elaborate on what they're saying; just writing that a school is amazing is not very useful. Didn't think I'd get backlash.Do you have this choice of acceptances (Yale vs UCSF) or not? Sounds like you are some pre-med trolling for info, not someone who has this choice and is looking for additional insight, if you actually are instate CA, applied and got accepted to UCSF, and you are asking these kinds of questions...
That's not actually how it works.SF population ~750,000
NH population ~125,000
Obviously SF is a cooler city, but I would be shocked to learn that SF has a "more diverse patient population" and since EVERYTHING comes to YNHH and patients in SF go to any number of hospitals you won't see all the interesting cases (i.e. you can't be in all places at one time, sorry).
Huh? UCSF is not way out in the 'burbs. It's in the Sunset. It's a 15 minute walk from Haight/Ashbury, for heaven's sake. And in San Francisco, you're no more than a few miles from "the cool stuff", because the town is only a few miles big. You're not more than a 5-10 minute cab or a few miles from anything. It's a pretty small city. And the last time I drove it, it took me just over an hour and a half (no traffic to speak of) to get from Yale to downtown Manhattan. It's about 75-80 miles. So you're kind of talking nonsense here.I would also add that even though SF is better, when you live in that part of SF you are not very close to the "cool stuff" in SF and are potentially as far away from fun things as a Yalie is from NYC.
New Haven gets a bum rap. Folks write it off as a $hithole. I don't think that's fair. There's a lot of interesting businesses, nonprofs, restaurants and bookstores. That said, pull Yale out of New Haven and watch how culture-filled the place is in 5 years. But I think New Haven has a lot going for it. It has a lot more going for it than you'd expect given it's financial affairs and crime issues. Folks write it off too easily. I don't personally consider it some hidden gem of New England, but it deserves a better reputation than it has.And if you are one of those people who simply loves to think that New Haven is the worst city in the country, then you are just embarrassingly uninformed and need to spend some time in an incredibly culture-filled city.
Suprisingly, UCSF is not affiliated with any private physicians. It's an embarrassment really. The private docs bang on the ivory tower doors, but the faculty pour down hot oil on them until they scamper away...Yale is affiliated with several *actual* private hospitals as well as countless number of docs in solo or group practice. SF probably has affiliations with actual private docs but I am not certain.
UCSF and Yale are similar in the sense that both have great reputations, attract a great student body, and have a great international focus. But the cities could not be more different.SF and Yale are fairly similar;
You're sort of shooting yourself in the foot with your unbiased claim.SF has a better location, Yale is more laid back, friendly and diverse.
Agree with the first, but for the second, neither school has a special sauce. Bomb your Step 1 and do ho-hum on the wards and you'll only be getting your top residency spot if you have a passion for pediatrics in Oklahoma. Yale and UCSF get top notch residency spots because they attract top notch medical students.You will leave either school with a top-notch education and residency spot of your choice.
Lots of folks on SDN have a real passion for turning medicine into an extension of their undergrad experience. That sure hasn't been my experience, but to each their own. I go to a school that has a big undergrad and it really has had zero impact, other than the ability to get undergrad volunteers at some of our programs.Let me also point out that this is one of those areas where Yale truly, definitively, has a major advantage. UCSF is only for health professionals. At Yale you meet people at the world's best law school, not to mention amazing business, forestry, divinity, architecture, theater, music, and other schools. Yale undergrad is famous for its quality.
Yeah. UCSF and Harvard are really hurting. Caveat emptor.Yale matched 100% last 2 years, and Stanford did as well. Too bad UCSF and Harvard couldn't do that.
Affiliation with Kaiser - I love Kaiser and would consider working there one day (my grandpa did for 40 years), but Kaiser is a far cry from typical private, and thinking this is just silly. Yale is affiliated with several *actual* private hospitals as well as countless number of docs in solo or group practice. SF probably has affiliations with actual private docs but I am not certain.
Will someone elaborate on this private vs. public doctors affiliation strength/weakness?Suprisingly, UCSF is not affiliated with any private physicians. It's an embarrassment really. The private docs bang on the ivory tower doors, but the faculty pour down hot oil on them until they scamper away...
Sorry if my post wasn't clear. It was meant to be dripping in sarcasm.Will someone elaborate on this private vs. public doctors affiliation strength/weakness?
This guy graduated from medical school four years ago.Both are great options and its splitting hairs at this point. I'm also surprised at how many times this decision has been made among my classmates (just as I'm sure there are a number of SF students who've chosen it over Yale also).
After speaking with a number of the cross-admits in our class, the common thread seems to be interests outside of traditional medicine. If you want to do something tangential to medicine I would venture to say that Yale and its associated strengths (and networks) outside of the traditional medical world are considerable advantages to think about. If you are more interested in pure academia or clinical medicine and want to live in an awesome west coast city then SF is probably more you're flavor.
This is not to say that both institutions don't have the resources of the other (yale with academia and SF with non-traditional medical interests) but I would say their respective strengths are somewhat different.
Best of luck with your decision and good luck separating the wheat from the chaff on here.