Yep, another DO school opening

[Echinoidea]

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Members don't see this ad.

http://www.do-online.osteotech.org/blog/index.php?itemid=1505

"Earlier during the meeting, Ronnie Martin, DO, gave a presentation about the new College of Osteopathic Medicine in Colorado, to be known as the Rocky Vista University-COM. This college would be the first private “for profit” medical school in the US and will most likely be located in South Denver."


At least they admit that this one is "for profit".

 

[DO Sigma Nu guy]

http://www.do-online.osteotech.org/blog/index.php?itemid=1505

"Earlier during the meeting, Ronnie Martin, DO, gave a presentation about the new College of Osteopathic Medicine in Colorado, to be known as the Rocky Vista University-COM. This college would be the first private “for profit” medical school in the US and will most likely be located in South Denver."


At least they admit that this one is "for profit".

Maybe I should open a DO school when I get a little bit older.

👍 👍

 

[medhacker]

Maybe I should open a DO school when I get a little bit older.

👍 👍

Carnal!

Just why you got to be copying my ideas??

 

[dr.z]

Carnal!

Just why you got to be copying my ideas??

I'm going to open one too!

 

[BMW19]

Would have thought they could come up with a better name. Doesn't exactly roll off of your toungue! I guess CCOM was taken already

B-

http://www.do-online.osteotech.org/blog/index.php?itemid=1505

"Earlier during the meeting, Ronnie Martin, DO, gave a presentation about the new College of Osteopathic Medicine in Colorado, to be known as the Rocky Vista University-COM. This college would be the first private “for profit” medical school in the US and will most likely be located in South Denver."


At least they admit that this one is "for profit".

 

[DO Sigma Nu guy]

Carnal!

Just why you got to be copying my ideas??

Ok lets make a deal. Wanna split the cost...10 million each? Get back to me later when your lawyer is present. haha 😛

 

[NonTradMed]

Don't want to sound like a snot but....for profit? I guess I'm feeling that's a bad trend to start down toward. All well, I'm sure CO students are happy---one more med school in their state!

 

[Faraaz23]

I just don't think any school sounds very sincere or serious about education when they are a "for profit" insitution... I immediately think they will put the $ before the student (not that other schools don't do it, this just seems more obvious). It seems like anything in its Mission Statement about producing physicians to serve the local population would be BS if its not preceded by the statement "to make an azzload of money" first. Just my $0.02, some may not agree with me here....

 

[medhacker]

I'm going to open one too!

That's it! I am getting the ability to open another med school copyright protected... hmmm Medhacker (TM) not bad huh?

😉

 

[medhacker]

Would have thought they could come up with a better name. Doesn't exactly roll off of your toungue! I guess CCOM was taken already

B-

Yeah! even something like Michael Sonoma school of O. Medicine would have been nicer...

 

[medhacker]

Ok lets make a deal. Wanna split the cost...10 million each? Get back to me later when your lawyer is present. haha 😛

No need for a lawyer when you have a..ehem Dual DO/JD degree right right right?? LOL


so bring your veinte pesos, and let's get this party started...


How about San Juan Puerto Rico school of osteopathic medicine?

 

[DO Sigma Nu guy]

No need for a lawyer when you have a..ehem Dual DO/JD degree right right right?? LOL


so bring your veinte pesos, and let's get this party started...


How about San Juan Puerto Rico school of osteopathic medicine?

I would seriously invest in a SJCOM school. Great Idea Hermano.

I'm saving up my veinte pesos right now. haha

 

[bustbones26]

I think I'll open up a school in my garage. I'll just make it an all independant study program. I'll take only ten students per year, charge them all 25K per year. and for the first two years, they just sit and study at desk with their own computer terminals in my garage. I'll get five OMT tables and have a preceptors come once per week to teach them OMT for free because they will be getting CME for doing so.

For years three for four, I set them up with rotations with clinical preceptors who agree to take them for free, and still charge each about 25K per head.

In addition, I'll add the school bookstore next to my gargage in my kitchen and mark up the prices of each required text so that make profit.

10 students X 25K per year = $250,000
minus about 50K per year for maintenance of my special ISP lab and computer programs.
Make about $100 profit per student on selling books = $1000
Charge them all $10 per year for a parking fee = $100
Make them all take out loans to buy their own health and liability insurance.
Over four classes

Summary

$804,400 per year in profit for four classes into my pocket.

 

[drtongue_danger]

I am sure glad most of you are well informed, how many of you are currently in medical school?
how many of you have been to CO and know the social economic situation?
how many of you what DO's to open more residents and have more DO in the market place. bottom line for more residences open when more schools open. Touro NV has 4 programs opening up this summer with more in the the pipe line and they have only been open for only 2 years
look up demography on the US census. there is going to be a doctor shortage
currently the U.S has 2.7 doctors per 1000 by 2020 that will be 2.4 in fact in a recent report to congress
"a new study sent to Congress, the council reverses that policy and recommends training 3,000 more doctors a year in U.S. medical schools." http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2005-03-02-doctor-shortage_x.htm
3000 a year is sure a lot!
there are 125 MD schools currently the AMA wants every MD school to increase their class size by 15% lets say that there are 120 students per school. times that by 125 is 15000 and 15% of that is 2250 students per year.
Most MD schools are state funded and there is going to be a hard fight trying to get more money.
or you can have DO schools open up and fill the spaces and have more DO at the same time
I asked the AOA president about this less that 2 months ago and belive me they have a better Idea about what is going on.
and what is so bad about a medical intuitions being for profit? so any hospital with residents in it that is for profit of the devil?
and what about yourselves are you going be the doctor that is not-for-profit? If so good luck. Do some research on the topic rather than reading endless posts on SDN about it.

 

[Old_Mil]

The profit motive can be a perverse one, and lead to all sorts of things happening. Just today, I read an article about a manager at a company called Rug Doctor; they fired an employee of 13 years after 8 weeks in which he used sick time. The cause of his absenteeism? His wife was dying of brain cancer.

What keeps a for profit school from relaxing admissions requirements and accepting an incoming class only to fail a significant percentage of them when it turns out they can't handle the coursework? For that matter, what prevents a whole series of these schools from opening up and permanetly decreasing the prestige of the degree?

Think the AOA is going to put a stop to that? After all, given the leadership and foresight they've shown in opposing the combined match, refusing to move to ensure that there are sufficient osteopathic postgraduate training slots available, and so on do you think they actually have a clue?

 

[drtongue_danger]

The profit motive can be a perverse one, and lead to all sorts of things happening. Just today, I read an article about a manager at a company called Rug Doctor; they fired an employee of 13 years after 8 weeks in which he used sick time. The cause of his absenteeism? His wife was dying of brain cancer.

What keeps a for profit school from relaxing admissions requirements and accepting an incoming class only to fail a significant percentage of them when it turns out they can't handle the coursework? For that matter, what prevents a whole series of these schools from opening up and permanetly decreasing the prestige of the degree?

Think the AOA is going to put a stop to that? After all, given the leadership and foresight they've shown in opposing the combined match, refusing to move to ensure that there are sufficient osteopathic postgraduate training slots available, and so on do you think they actually have a clue?

you do have good questions but opening a school that is for profit is just like a busniess that has a product. no one wants to buy a product lets say a laptop from a company that produes crap. for example Dell makes laptops which suck, no one wants to put the money into something that is not going to pay off. So it is in Dell's best interest to make a good product. same is true for these new schools. if they produce poor doctors they no one will want to hire them ( if they pass boards) and then no one will want to go to one. it is the way of free markets

 

[Old_Mil]

no one wants to buy a product lets say a laptop from a company that produes crap. for example Dell makes laptops which suck, no one wants to put the money into something that is not going to pay off. So it is in Dell's best interest to make a good product. same is true for these new schools. if they produce poor doctors they no one will want to hire them ( if they pass boards) and then no one will want to go to one. it is the way of free markets

You raise a good point, however there's a difference between your laptop example and medical education. That difference is this: there is a enough of a balance between laptop supply and demand to maintain a balance between laptops produced and laptops sold - and keep prices stable. Dell doesn't produce half as many laptops as they know they can sell to keep quality high.

When it comes to medical education, there are twice as many people who apply to medical school as there are seats. Tomorrow, if every medical school in the nation raised their tuition rates 15%, there would be grumbling but I doubt anyone would be discouraged from applying because of this. A series of for-profit schools are, like Dell in the above example, going to seek to meet demand and maximize profit.

As far as I know (and correct me on this if I'm wrong), for profit medical schools have been restricted to foreign shores and have carried with them a certain amount of stigma. As DOs, we don't need to be the portion of the medical profession that opens the door for such institutions in this country. It's too bad that the AOA is blinded by a desire to be the AMA's institutional equal and cannot see this or act in the best interests of its members.

 

[bustbones26]

I am sure glad most of you are well informed, how many of you are currently in medical school?
how many of you have been to CO and know the social economic situation?
how many of you what DO's to open more residents and have more DO in the market place. bottom line for more residences open when more schools open. Touro NV has 4 programs opening up this summer with more in the the pipe line and they have only been open for only 2 years
look up demography on the US census. there is going to be a doctor shortage
currently the U.S has 2.7 doctors per 1000 by 2020 that will be 2.4 in fact in a recent report to congress
"a new study sent to Congress, the council reverses that policy and recommends training 3,000 more doctors a year in U.S. medical schools." http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2005-03-02-doctor-shortage_x.htm
3000 a year is sure a lot!
there are 125 MD schools currently the AMA wants every MD school to increase their class size by 15% lets say that there are 120 students per school. times that by 125 is 15000 and 15% of that is 2250 students per year.
Most MD schools are state funded and there is going to be a hard fight trying to get more money.
or you can have DO schools open up and fill the spaces and have more DO at the same time
I asked the AOA president about this less that 2 months ago and belive me they have a better Idea about what is going on.
and what is so bad about a medical intuitions being for profit? so any hospital with residents in it that is for profit of the devil?
and what about yourselves are you going be the doctor that is not-for-profit? If so good luck. Do some research on the topic rather than reading endless posts on SDN about it.

Whoa hold up, you obviously didn't catch the cynicism of my post, I do realize there is more to medical school econmics than my post.

Now I personally don't hav e a problem with a medical school making a profit, hell, its the american way, but I do have a problem with a school making money and then cutting corners, inflating cost, and then not re-investing some of that profit back into their institution. Now I am not going to say that this is what every osteopathic medical school does, but many at my school felt this way.

I do have to agree thought, opening osteopathic schools is the only way for hospitals in the surrounding communities to get the idea of opening up AOA residencies.

.

 

[raptor5]

This is pathetic. Does california still allow DOs to trade their degree for an MD for $26🙂

 

[PublicHealth]

Maybe I should open a DO school when I get a little bit older.

👍 👍

You may need to in order to pay off your PCOM debt!

 

[medhacker]

You may need to in order to pay off your PCOM debt!

oooh below the belt!!

 

[Doc 2b]

I am way to under-educated on the matter to speak about this matter, although I do believe in responsible growth. But I hope to God that all of you that are into the politics of medicine and are on this forum arguing, have enough gall to go to DO day on the hill and make these concerns know. Kind of like the if you don't vote don't bitch thing.

 

[Old_Mil]

...DO day on the hill and make these concerns know. Kind of like the if you don't vote don't bitch thing.

You're encouraging the use of DO day on the hill to lobby against the AOA's institutional positions? Interesting idea, that. 🙂

Personally, I'd recommend channeling whatever efforts one wanted to make in organized medicine through the AMA, where they would have the most impact.

 

[doc-synergy]

i don't know if it has been mentioned yet, but one of my faculty mentioned plans for additional DO schools in WA, TN, and NY (harlem) - anyone hear about this yet?

 

[DragonWell]

i don't know if it has been mentioned yet, but one of my faculty mentioned plans for additional DO schools in WA, TN, and NY (harlem) - anyone hear about this yet?

and AZ...there are a *lot* of threads about this topic..usually digressing sooner or later into a tirade about the AOA...

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=192576

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=257242

Search function is working sweet after the last upgrade if you want more info.

 

[GregsAnatomy]

Dr. Martin, our current Dean of Student Affairs at NSU-COM, will be the CEO (i.e. not dean) of this new school....

 

[Echinoidea]

This was posted by John Crosby, the AOA's Executive Director. To be fair, I was very impressed that he took the time to respond to the comments made on the AOA Daily Weblog. I'm not sure I'm 100% satisfied with this answer, but I do appreciate the dialog.


"Thank you all for expressing your opinions on the announcement of the plans to establish the Rocky Vista University-COM and your concerns surrounding its “for-profit” status. I would like to take this opportunity to address your comments.

First, I would like to clarify that the decision to begin developing a college of osteopathic medicine does not start or end with the AOA. Similarly, the AOA does not operate any institutions of higher education. The idea for a new school may come about in a number of ways and for various reasons, but it typically begins at the local level by a group of community leaders attempting to meet the growing health care needs of a particular region and who believe that osteopathic medicine is the way to do that.

The AOA becomes involved when an application is received from an entity seeking to establish a new osteopathic medical school, or in limited cases a new branch campus, that will be able to meet the accreditation requirements of the Commission on Osteopathic College Accreditation (COCA). Accreditation from COCA signifies that an osteopathic medical school has met or exceeded the AOA standards for educational quality which includes mission, goals and objectives; governance, administration and finance; resources; faculty; preclinical and clinical curriculum and research as well as scholarly activity. The quality of osteopathic medical graduates is a function of the high standards required by COCA, which in turn receives its authority from the US Department of Education.

Higher education exists in both for-profit and not-for-profit corporate structures, just as institutions of higher education are privately supported or state supported. There is much history on the accreditation of for-profit colleges and universities at both the institutional and at the programmatic levels.

COCA staff closely follows developments in higher education accreditation, including those particular to for-profit institutions. It also maintains a relationship with legal counsel with specialized practice in higher education. These steps help to ensure that any for-profit osteopathic medical school receiving recognition from COCA will meet the same high standards as those organized in a not-for-profit corporate governance model.

Accreditation is a major function of the AOA and the sole function of COCA, and therefore the AOA must address the many issues facing the future of osteopathic medical education. In fact, the AOA is currently collaborating with other organizations both inside and outside of the profession to charter a successful course for the future. In January, the Osteopathic Heritage Foundation, the AOA and the American Association of Colleges of Osteopathic Medicine co-sponsored a Medical Education Summit to address many concerns important to osteopathic medical education. This landmark event was attended by representatives from all levels of osteopathic medical education, including leaders from the Student Osteopathic Medical Association and Council on Osteopathic Student Government Presidents, who represented the voice of future osteopathic physicians.

Summit participants agreed that the responsible growth as a profession is a necessary part of the solution to the predicted workforce shortage. They also agreed that there is a need for improved systems to track all osteopathic physicians, from matriculation to retirement, in order to develop a real understanding of how the growth of the profession will impact osteopathic physicians and the health care workforce.

With this in mind, the AOA looks toward the future with a goal of helping osteopathic medical students find residency programs that help fulfill their career goals, while at the same time training DOs to provide medical care throughout the country."
Monday 06 March 14:37

 

[medhacker]

What did the comments he was responding to say? thanks

 

[DragonWell]

What did the comments he was responding to say? thanks

Pretty much what you're probably imagining - to paraphrase: for profit schools are probably gonna suck and the AOA needs to increase residencies...

Quoted from http://www.do-online.osteotech.org/blog/index.php?itemid=1505
"
studentJ wrote:
Mr. Crosby,
There have been some questions and concerns regarding what a "for profit" med school will do for osteopathic medicine in terms of its reputation. With all the new schools that will potentially be opening up, what measures are being taken to ensure that osteopathic medicine will remain dignified and not viewed as a profession simply seeking to please the masses and one day be as rampant as the MD degree? Thanks.
Thursday 02 March 15:03

Concerned Student wrote:
I really wish the AOA would address some of the concerns that medical students and residents are expressing regarding the mind-boggling pace at which osteopathic schools are opening. So far, every time this has been brought up to Dr. Shettle when he visits the COMs, it gets brushed off without any concrete answers. Personally, I am rapidly losing faith in the AOA to effectively listen to and respond to student concerns, and at this point, I do not plan on becoming a member once I am finished with my undergraduate medical education.
Thursday 02 March 20:23

Disenchanted student wrote:
The fact that our profession is opening the first "for profit" medical school in the United States is embarrasing. I wish the AOA leadership would focus on increasing the number of AOA approved residency positions, as well as slow down the irresponsible growth of osteopathic medical schools. I look forward to the day when the current "leadership" retires and we can usher in the next generation of responsible leaders who will do the right thing.
Thursday 02 March 20:49

Deeply Concerned wrote:
The idea of the first "for profit" medical school coming from our profession is concerning. Be its intent or not it seems that that school is more interested in money over anything. As stated by other comments on this board I believe that the focus needs to be on quality post graduate residencies for the large amount of students that are now coming out of our new schools. It is great to expand and promote osteopathic medicine but we must do it with quality and responsibility
Thursday 02 March 22:04 "

 

[medhacker]

Thank you 👍

 

[DeLaughterDO]

This was posted by John Crosby, the AOA's Executive Director. To be fair, I was very impressed that he took the time to respond to the comments made on the AOA Daily Weblog. I'm not sure I'm 100% satisfied with this answer, but I do appreciate the dialog.


"Thank you all for expressing your opinions on the announcement of the plans to establish the Rocky Vista University-COM and your concerns surrounding its “for-profit” status. I would like to take this opportunity to address your comments.

First, I would like to clarify that the decision to begin developing a college of osteopathic medicine does not start or end with the AOA.

Yeah, but the AOA has to approve the school opening - I guess they don't see the problem with opening a "for profit" medical school... evasive.

Similarly, the AOA does not operate any institutions of higher education. The idea for a new school may come about in a number of ways and for various reasons, but it typically begins at the local level by a group of community leaders attempting to meet the growing health care needs of a particular region and who believe that osteopathic medicine is the way to do that.

Typical propaganda BS

The AOA becomes involved when an application is received from an entity seeking to establish a new osteopathic medical school, or in limited cases a new branch campus, that will be able to meet the accreditation requirements of the Commission on Osteopathic College Accreditation (COCA). Accreditation from COCA signifies that an osteopathic medical school has met or exceeded the AOA standards for educational quality which includes mission, goals and objectives; governance, administration and finance; resources; faculty; preclinical and clinical curriculum and research as well as scholarly activity. The quality of osteopathic medical graduates is a function of the high standards required by COCA, which in turn receives its authority from the US Department of Education.

More propaganda BS, and proving that the AOA-COCA has the power to refuse accreditation (even provisional) to any school they want. Just because a proposed institution might meet the "minimum standards" doesn't mean you HAVE TO give them the A-OK to start the process... maybe think it through a little???

Higher education exists in both for-profit and not-for-profit corporate structures, just as institutions of higher education are privately supported or state supported. There is much history on the accreditation of for-profit colleges and universities at both the institutional and at the programmatic levels.

Name ANY other institution of higher learning that is "for profit..." Can't do it, can you? Because everyone realizes (except the AOA apparently) that the for-profit structure is not conducive to a solid educational environment. Will the "CEO" care that the school needs new facilities when he's responsible to his stock-holders? I don't think so. What will be the motivation to pay decent wages to his science and clinical faculty? Does anyone think ANY research will come from this institution? Doubt it, it's not very economically profitable. Basically, this will be a money-making machine. They might as well save the classrooms and move some printing presses into the building instead and start counterfeiting some cold hard cash... I'll bet the tuition is >50k per year, with 200 or so students the first year, just so they can top 1M profit right out of the box. Tell me I'm wrong.

COCA staff closely follows developments in higher education accreditation, including those particular to for-profit institutions. It also maintains a relationship with legal counsel with specialized practice in higher education. These steps help to ensure that any for-profit osteopathic medical school receiving recognition from COCA will meet the same high standards as those organized in a not-for-profit corporate governance model.

Accreditation is a major function of the AOA and the sole function of COCA, and therefore the AOA must address the many issues facing the future of osteopathic medical education. In fact, the AOA is currently collaborating with other organizations both inside and outside of the profession to charter a successful course for the future. In January, the Osteopathic Heritage Foundation, the AOA and the American Association of Colleges of Osteopathic Medicine co-sponsored a Medical Education Summit to address many concerns important to osteopathic medical education. This landmark event was attended by representatives from all levels of osteopathic medical education, including leaders from the Student Osteopathic Medical Association and Council on Osteopathic Student Government Presidents, who represented the voice of future osteopathic physicians.

Summit participants agreed that the responsible growth as a profession is a necessary part of the solution to the predicted workforce shortage. They also agreed that there is a need for improved systems to track all osteopathic physicians, from matriculation to retirement, in order to develop a real understanding of how the growth of the profession will impact osteopathic physicians and the health care workforce.

More propaganda BS. Look at the bolded words - RESPONSIBLE growth. Since when is 8 new schools in 3 years responsible? Who is providing the funding? The infrastructure, the faculty? Oh, wait, these are private schools or branch campuses. Branch campuses don't even have to have administration on-site. All that can be done from the "mothership," so to speak, which saves hundreds of thousands in payroll costs. Is the tuition any less at the branch campuses? Of course not! Money machines, that's all they are! Wake up and smell the rip-off, people!!!

With this in mind, the AOA looks toward the future with a goal of helping osteopathic medical students find residency programs that help fulfill their career goals, while at the same time training DOs to provide medical care throughout the country."
Monday 06 March 14:37

Anyone notice how he didn't even come close to attempting to answer any of the questions posed by the comments? The best he did was say, basically, a bunch of people met and talked about it and decided the best thing to do was to do something for the future...

And since when did SOMA and COSGP represent the voice of future osteopathic physicians? The leaders of these groups at my school are the most militant about Osteopathic medicine and are just about the only students to actually use this "OMS" designation the AOA has tried to force on us. Pretty far from MY voice, and most of the other students in my class. I agree with the comments posted on the AOA blog - the AOA needs to tighten up the reins and worry more about quality than quantity.

They also need to have democratic elections for the AOA leadership, instead of the closed-door appointment of the good-old-boy-club that they have now. Until that happens, I fear we'll just be stuck with the same-old same-old.

jd

 

[docbill]

I'm going to open one too!

Z, can I be co-CEO of your school.

Can we put it in Canada? Please?

 

[Old_Mil]

Name ANY other institution of higher learning that is "for profit..." Can't do it, can you?

...maybe they'll be next.

 

[heech]

University of Phoenix.

 

[DrBowtie]

Anyone know how I can get in on the IPO for the school?
This thing will be a cash cow!

 

[dtn3t]

I am way to under-educated on the matter to speak about this matter, although I do believe in responsible growth. But I hope to God that all of you that are into the politics of medicine and are on this forum arguing, have enough gall to go to DO day on the hill and make these concerns know. Kind of like the if you don't vote don't bitch thing.

Have you ever been to DO day? It's like the idiotic powers that be cheerleading and preaching being a DO. The year I went we were literally asked to chant "WE can D.O. it!" over and over again. It was ******ed. And when you go, you don't see any congressmen, you see their legislative assistants who don't give a rat's ass about what you have to say. And "voting" in the world of the AOA is pretty much worthless until the powers-that-be currently are removed from power, only to be replaced by those similar to them.

Here's a question...who votes for the AOA president? Not the lowly common DO. I know I didn't have a voice in it. In fact, I have no idea how the AOA presidents are decided. So it's kind of like if you DON'T get to vote, then bitch thing.

I know this is off-topic, sorry. And no offense to the above poster. I'm just tired of this DO bullcrap.

 

[newyorkcougar]

Colorado definately needs a DO school, but they are getting it in a lame way. Since CU has the allo school in Denver, CSU should open an osteo school in Fort Collins. As a state school it would have lower tuition, more credibility, and it would look more legitimate. A for-profit medical school looks really cheezy...it reminds you of mail-order medical schools. I am really dissapointed to hear that it is going to be for-profit. It makes the entire profession look shady.

 

[ShyRem]

I can't even begin to imagine the tuition at a 'for profit' school.

On the other hand, aren't many private schools technically 'for profit'? They can't very well survive if they lose money.

 

[medhacker]

I can't even begin to imagine the tuition at a 'for profit' school.

On the other hand, aren't many private schools technically 'for profit'? They can't very well survive if they lose money.

of course they are. Just because they act unde the facade of non-profit it does not mean they are. That is why I think many of the outcries of this thread are really...juvenile.

 

[rgerwin]

I can't find anything about an update of the Colorado school. Is it still happening even? When do they think it will open. I also talked to the AOA about the Harlem school. As of now, only an application has been submitted, so we're talking 2008 admittance, at least, if not later.

 

[Flea girl]

I can't find anything about an update of the Colorado school. Is it still happening even? When do they think it will open. I also talked to the AOA about the Harlem school. As of now, only an application has been submitted, so we're talking 2008 admittance, at least, if not later.

I was just in a meeting about that last friday. So this is the deal...They are going to open an osteopathic med in CO but where is the question. They are looking at Denver, Colorado Springs, & Pueblo. These are the 3 that were mention at the meeting I was at. It was headed by Special Assistant to the Dean for the school. What we were told was that they were going to have an intial class of 100 but with the potential of 150. They are going to be a private school with a trust from someone who started one of the Carrib school. They are planing to have an intial class either in fall of 2008 or fall 2009. The big question now is where in CO. That was all the info we got that day.

 

[rgerwin]

That's good to know. Thanks for the update!

 

[heyjack70]

Creating a state DO school for the lower tuition would be a great thing to do. I would guess that a student, given the decision to attend a $16,000/yr DO school versus a $30,000/yr private MD school, would go DO to save the Cash. This would improve the quality of graduates from DO schools as those 29-31 MCATers would be swayed from the costly MD route to the less expensive state DO school. And the applicants currently getting into DO schools with 21 MCATs would be out of luck.

 

[Gregg]

In the February 2006 JAOA there is an article detailing the entering class of 2004 (yeah, a bit late).
Average MCAT: bio: 8.53, ps: 7.89, verb: 8.24 (total 24.63), higher than the previous year.
GPA: 3.43, same as previous year.
So, adding spots has not hurt the admissions.
I'm studying right now ( 🙄 ) so I'm not going to take the time to look up allo stats, but they're not that different.

 

[VJWDO]

I am an Alumni of Lincoln Memorial University in Harrogate, TN and just recieved my almumni newsletter in the mail yesterday. They have informed us that they are in the process of being accredited to form the first DO school in Tennessee. I am shocked considering that when I graduated in 2003 I was the only student out of a graduating class of only 200 who actually went to med school. I think this is a great opprtunity for the people of appalachia to experience quality physicians in mass. I think that as long as the AOA feels that they have met the standards that the other DO schools have then we have nothing to worry about. Rural areas need docs and this is the best way to get them the quality care they deserve.
Just my humble opinion 😳
Also they said that they are looking to begin enrollment in Fall 2007

VJWDO, MSIII
KCUMB-COM

 

[badgas]

I am an Alumni of Lincoln Memorial University in Harrogate, TN and just recieved my almumni newsletter in the mail yesterday. They have informed us that they are in the process of being accredited to form the first DO school in Tennessee. I am shocked considering that when I graduated in 2003 I was the only student out of a graduating class of only 200 who actually went to med school. I think this is a great opprtunity for the people of appalachia to experience quality physicians in mass. I think that as long as the AOA feels that they have met the standards that the other DO schools have then we have nothing to worry about. Rural areas need docs and this is the best way to get them the quality care they deserve.
Just my humble opinion 😳
Also they said that they are looking to begin enrollment in Fall 2007

VJWDO, MSIII
KCUMB-COM

The AOA will accredit anything that involves producing more preachers to attend DO day on the hill. After many years the AOA finally has the chance to be the equal of the AMA and be a decent organization, but they can't shoot themselves in the foot fast enough. I'm personally embarrassed that the #1 on their agenda is always promoting osteopathic awareness and opening up more schools. How about opening some QUALITY residency positions that stretch further than 3 states! Maybe agree to the dual match finally! Everything they do is for their own personal gain and not to better the profession. Rant over.

 

[medhacker]

The AOA will accredit anything that involves producing more preachers to attend DO day on the hill. After many years the AOA finally has the chance to be the equal of the AMA and be a decent organization, but they can't shoot themselves in the foot fast enough. I'm personally embarrassed that the #1 on their agenda is always promoting osteopathic awareness and opening up more schools. How about opening some QUALITY residency positions that stretch further than 3 states! Maybe agree to the dual match finally! Everything they do is for their own personal gain and not to better the profession. Rant over.

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[osler]

yes, some private non-profit schools...(i believe my school) make a ton of money... and the President of my school borrowed some of the money 'interest free', which led to a scandal. the president eventually paid the whistle blower off to silence him... i and a bunch of students have talked to him on one occasion, and he lied to us (a different issue) with a straight face.

some MD schools also charge a lot, St. Louis U. and RFU/Chicago med...
but, at least they provide a decent level of education that is certified by LCME, ie, the quality and quantity of professors, facilities, library with decent volume and journal subscriptions (my school recently added 30 students to the DO class/year and decided to cancel the electronic subscription to New England J Med... ? so, about 700+ medical students can share 1 or 2 copy of the paper version in the small library)

the clinical dean at my school told us that our school refuses to pay more than Ross for clinical rotation spots at a really good medical center near school. result: we have too many students for any given rotation (i've heard rumors that Ross lost spots at the medical center recently). my point, some DO schools already operate like business.

 

[medhacker]

my point, some DO schools already operate like business.

Not only DO schools. MD schools and many undergrad schools too.

 

[badgas]

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Troll? I'm a DO pal, why else would I care if the AOA has their head up their arse?