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Finally, examination results released, Pathway send letter. I passed AP and CP! Thanks God! The webpage has not been updated but letter is in your system.
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thank god.... about time, AP/CP... gona get drunk tonight
 
good job guys. Listen, passing AP/CP isn't that much harder than passing USMLE step 1 (i.e. a score over 190). Yeah I know you are relieved, but passing AP/CP isn't that big of deal. Almost everyone does.
 
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passed both as expected
 
Hmmm...still don't see my scores. So either I failed or else maybe they can't get them all uploaded at the same time (which seems reasonable). Or else I am totally computer un-savvy.
 
Passed my CP exam. I am CP only. Congrats everyone.
 
Passed AP/CP....now to worry about cytology boards
 
pathstudent said:
good job guys. Listen, passing AP/CP isn't that much harder than passing USMLE step 1 (i.e. a score over 190). Yeah I know you are relieved, but passing AP/CP isn't that big of deal. Almost everyone does.
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I think this has got to be the biggest dbag post ever on SDN. Seriously, pathstudent I have been reading your posts for a year and if you are like this on a forum internet I wonder how you are in real life. It would seriously suck to work with someone like you.

Instead of congratulating ppl on passing the test, you say it isn't that big of a deal...dude I feel sorry for your coworkers man.
 
Unty said:
I think this has got to be the biggest dbag post ever on SDN. Seriously, pathstudent I have been reading your posts for a year and if you are like this on a forum internet I wonder how you are in real life. It would seriously suck to work with someone like you.

Instead of congratulating ppl on passing the test, you say it isn't that big of a deal...dude I feel sorry for your coworkers man.
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No I am just saying that statistically most all first timers pass. If you failed once, you are coin-flip for passing the next time. I am just saying, that test is a big psych-out. Over 90% of the takers pass AP, that is similar to the pass percentage on the USMLE exams. It is not a weed-out exam at all, like a test to become an astronaut or something like that. But good job to those that pass, it proves you worked hard in training and studied hard.

What's a dbag?

Edit: I stand corrected. I check the ABP newsletters and the pass rate is in the high 80s, not low 90s. So it is a bit more restrictive than the USMLE. And if you fail once, you are less than a coin flip for passing the next time. The latter suggests that if you failed once, you likely have some unbridgeable deficiency in your training. I am of the opinion that if you went to a good program (which means most programs) and you worked hard, that the pass rate must be close to 100%, as it should be.

It is worth noting that pass rate has gone up the last half decade. Prior to 2006 only about 75% passed AP.

I just wish I could have had one of the pre-2007 certificates which means no-MOC and no retesting. I look forward to seeing what the pass rate is in 2017 for the retakers.
 
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pathstudent said:
good job guys. Listen, passing AP/CP isn't that much harder than passing USMLE step 1 (i.e. a score over 190). Yeah I know you are relieved, but passing AP/CP isn't that big of deal. Almost everyone does.
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You forgot to add "IMHO". All folks are different - it's not a big deal for you (to tell the truth, I wasn't worried either cause I knew I did well) but it means a lot for other people. And all of us who passed deserved "congrats". You don't want to say it - say nothing. Besides, think about folks who failed either part. Don't tell me about deficiencies in training and similar BS - I know examples of residents with 700+ on each and every section of RISE, smart, hard working who failed CP a couple of times. Bottom line: let us share the joy. If you don't want to join, step aside.
 
My scores still are not there! How odd. I guess I will call them today and see what is up. Is anyone else having this issue or am I the only one?
 
zao275 said:
My scores still are not there! How odd. I guess I will call them today and see what is up. Is anyone else having this issue or am I the only one?
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I don't see mine either.
 
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Congratulations to those who made it through, we'll see you when you recover from whatever celebration you may or may not choose to engage in....

To those who haven't passed yet, hang in there. If it's what you enjoy, you'll make it! When it eventually comes down to it, a pass is a pass, and a board certified pathologist is a board certified pathologist, regardless of how long it takes.

(To those who haven't seen yet -- I wouldn't panic yet, they may still be inputting data or updating servers or something. But I would probably harass them by tomorrow, given the available information. They should feel the pain of dragging this out for everyone.)
 
Bbanker said:
If you look under board correspondance, there should be two new items / links one for results and one for recertification.
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Nothing new there for me. It looks the same as it has since I registered.
 
Does anyone know if this happened to anyone last year? How were the results released last year?
 
I don't know what happened last year, but it seems that they have not yet sent an email to check your correspondence page, that may be sent out only after all the letters are posted for everyone.. just a guess...
 
Hey!

Haven't posted in forever, but I passed!!

Congratulations to everyone!!
 
I talked to Mary at the ABP. Turns out that I forgot to fax them a copy of my state license. So I faxed it in and they said hopefully my scores will be posted on pathway within a day or so. Oh well.
 
So I haven't gotten my results yet either and am seriously trying not to think too much about the reasons why but of course, all I can think is "well, they posted all the passes first and now they will post all the fails". Those ABP people are so mean. I am about to sacrifice a chicken on my desk and utter voodoo incantations in order to get my results. Do you think that will help?
 
Who cares about stats?

CONGRATS those who passed! Enjoy!
 
Oh thank God. That's it, I didn't send them my license yet. Praise Jebus!
 
I spoke with Mary at ABP earlier today and she told me the same thing as zao275.
 
Passed both 🙂...Thanks to everybody who shared their experience about exams, it was really helpful
 
pathstudent said:
No I am just saying that statistically most all first timers pass. If you failed once, you are coin-flip for passing the next time. I am just saying, that test is a big psych-out. Over 90% of the takers pass AP, that is similar to the pass percentage on the USMLE exams. It is not a weed-out exam at all, like a test to become an astronaut or something like that. But good job to those that pass, it proves you worked hard in training and studied hard.

What's a dbag?

Edit: I stand corrected. I check the ABP newsletters and the pass rate is in the high 80s, not low 90s. So it is a bit more restrictive than the USMLE. And if you fail once, you are less than a coin flip for passing the next time. The latter suggests that if you failed once, you likely have some unbridgeable deficiency in your training. I am of the opinion that if you went to a good program (which means most programs) and you worked hard, that the pass rate must be close to 100%, as it should be.

It is worth noting that pass rate has gone up the last half decade. Prior to 2006 only about 75% passed AP.

I just wish I could have had one of the pre-2007 certificates which means no-MOC and no retesting. I look forward to seeing what the pass rate is in 2017 for the retakers.
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Don't confuse things. Just because most people pass it does not mean it cannot be nerve-wracking. It was the hardest test I have ever studied for. It really doesn't matter whether the pass rate is the same or different from step I, it is a vastly different and more complicated and difficult exam. The fact that it is possible to study very hard and get your passing chances close to 100% does not make it an easy test, it makes it a difficult but fair exam.

The problem is that everyone who takes the exam knows of someone who is supposedly smart who failed the exam. And they have two months to think about it after taking it in which to allow doubts to get increasingly larger in their minds. And after studying for many months you say to yourself, "I hope I passed, because I am not sure what I could have done differently."

During my waiting months, I generally comforted myself with the fact that there were residents I knew who were total *****s who managed to pass it. So I figured I had a decent chance.
 
success!!!! AP/CP!!!

glad that's over.
 
Unty said:
I think this has got to be the biggest dbag post ever on SDN..
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I asked my friend what dbag means and he said it was short for douches
bag. This makes no sense to me Douche is French for shower and withregards to feminine hygiene a douche bag is the bag that holds the fluid that douches the female anatomy. What a childish meaningless immature insult and what kind of pathologist would speak this way
 
Congrats to all who passed. I managed to pass CP, but not AP. I passed the AP practical, but got 495 on the AP written. (500 is passing.) I am crushed of course, but I am trying not to beat myself up too badly. I spent 6months this year on chemo for lymphoma and have had a rough year. Does anyone have any good suggestions for what else to study for AP? I did Leftkowich and that's pretty much it. Honestly, I was more worried about CP. Are Osler AP notes worthwhile? Thanks and congrats again.
 
pathstudent said:
good job guys. Listen, passing AP/CP isn't that much harder than passing USMLE step 1 (i.e. a score over 190). Yeah I know you are relieved, but passing AP/CP isn't that big of deal. Almost everyone does.
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I simply fart loudly in your direction! :meanie: Godforsaken test.
 
pathstudent said:
I asked my friend what dbag means and he said it was short for douches
bag. This makes no sense to me Douche is French for shower and withregards to feminine hygiene a douche bag is the bag that holds the fluid that douches the female anatomy. What a childish meaningless immature insult and what kind of pathologist would speak this way
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This should explain it:

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJ2kfyQPfto[/YOUTUBE] The douchebags show up at 2:30.
 
cjw0918 - same thing happened to me with AP (abp also said i failed by several points - complete bs). second time around i passed and this is what i did:

- go through sternberg (or equivalent) and look at all pics and read all captions
- leftokowitch (sp?) x2

good luck the next time. congrats to all who passed. fyi - passing rates reflect perceived need (both monetary and employment) not competency. all they do is move the bell curve to pass less or more.
 
When I was down to the wire studying for AP, I went chapter by chapter through Lefkowitz (sp) and looked at the relevant matching chapter in Robbins. Point is, you're already very very close, so looking at high-yield stuff is probably going to be your best bet. Osler, ASCP, &/or Sinard notes. Maybe an atlas or other decent image source to tie it together, such as the suggestion of flipping through a big book and just doing images/captions. Were you a hundred+ away, then I'd think more about going back to the beginning and taking some serious time to do it thoroughly.

Painful, but the plus side is you're close and you have a pretty darn fair explanation for not being absolutely best prepared.
 
cjw0918 said:
Congrats to all who passed. I managed to pass CP, but not AP. I passed the AP practical, but got 495 on the AP written. (500 is passing.) I am crushed of course, but I am trying not to beat myself up too badly. I spent 6months this year on chemo for lymphoma and have had a rough year. Does anyone have any good suggestions for what else to study for AP? I did Leftkowich and that's pretty much it. Honestly, I was more worried about CP. Are Osler AP notes worthwhile? Thanks and congrats again.
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You have the best study material there is- you've seen the test.

The only other thing I did to formally study for AP (besides Lefkowitch and the Sternberg books) was go through some kind of study set (Checkpath, PIP, personal collections) with a computer at your side. As you go through each slide, have pathology outlines open and read about. We thought that was a clever way to study and I think it helped.

Good luck and good health.
 
Whew! Just found out I passed AP/CP. What a relief!


cjw0918, I am sorry to hear that you barely missed the cutoff (and it seems like you have a really good reason so I don't think it will hurt you that much long term). On the bright side, CP is the much harder portion of the test and you have that behind you. I'm sure you will pass AP this next time around. Stay positive!
 
Passed AP/CP whooo hooo!

I'm so sorry to those who didn't pass, that totally sucks and there but for the grace of God go I. In addition to select chapters from Lefkowitch and Robbins, I did some Osler and ASCP stuff.
 
cjw0918 said:
Does anyone have any good suggestions for what else to study for AP? I did Leftkowich and that's pretty much it. Honestly, I was more worried about CP. Are Osler AP notes worthwhile?
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For AP I read Sternberg and used the Leftkowich book, however, probably the best thing that I did was go through PIPS cases. I looked at the cases and answered the questions that come along with it.
 
yaah said:
This should explain it:

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJ2kfyQPfto[/YOUTUBE] The douchebags show up at 2:30.
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But why is douche bag a perjorative term? You "bag that carries cleansing fluid"? How did that come to be an insult. Also there is something misogynistic about it.
 
From urban dictionary.com for pathstudent's enlightenment:

1. douchebag 8141 up, 1444 down

Someone who has surpassed the levels of jerk and @sshole, however not yet reached f#!ker or motherf@%ker. Not to be confused with douche.

2. douchebag 4117 up, 380 down

An individual who has an over-inflated sense of self-worth, compounded by a low level of intelligence, behaving ridiculously in front of colleagues with no sense of how *****ic he appears.


How does anything become a "perjorative" term or an insult? If enough people begin to use a word or phrase in a certain way, its meaning can change to reflect the current usage, regardless of whether it makes sense or not (i.e. do you really think that if someone tells you to "go f&ck yourself" that they want you to masturbate?). I'm sure there is some fancy terminology linguists have to describe the process.

A large proportion American insults are horribly misogynistic, as well as reflecting the inherent feelings of guilt and shame many Americans have about sexuality and other normal bodily functions. It sucks and I wish it were otherwise...but the fact that "douchebag" carries on the tradition of feminine things somehow being insulting (like p*ssy, b*tch, Nancy, etc.) shouldn't be surprising.

Hopefully you can now more fully understand why someone called you a douchebag for belittling the stress and effort that our newly boarded pathologists went through so recently. The More You Know 😉
 
pathstudent said:
But why is douche bag a perjorative term? You "bag that carries cleansing fluid"? How did that come to be an insult. Also there is something misogynistic about it.
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Lol...obviously you did not go to jr. high or highschool in America....and yes, you are a giant douche for raining on other people's strong work and accomplishments.

Here's to you Pathstudent, my compliments:

http://pinnacleofdouchedom.ytmnd.com/
 
moosepatrol77 said:
Lol...obviously you did not go to jr. high or highschool in America....and yes, you are a giant douche for raining on other people's strong work and accomplishments.

Here's to you Pathstudent, my compliments:

http://pinnacleofdouchedom.ytmnd.com/
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OK great. I am a giant bag full of fluid or I am a shower.

My point was/is that the test is a giant psych-out. Think about it, in essence, 9 out of ten people pass the first time around. Almost 5 out of 10 of the second timers pass. That means that eventually 19 out of 20 pass the test. People go in assuming they are going to fail and come out assuming they failed, but stats show that you are overwhelmingly likely to pass. But no one feels that way. It is a psych-out. Getting into medical school is a far great accomplishment than passing boards. And passing boards sure as hell doesn't hold a candle to becoming a Senator, or winning an Olympic medal, or winning an Oscar, or being a first round draft pick in the NFL. Almost everyone who tries passes the boards. Less than 1% of all college football players get drafted in the first round.

I guess realizing and acknowleding this makes me a big huge bag ful of cleansing fluid for the female anatomy. :scared:
 
pathstudent said:
OK great. I am a giant bag full of fluid or I am a shower.
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Definitely the giant bag of fluid. Intended for vaginal irrigation, that is.

pathstudent said:
Think about it, in essence, 9 out of ten people pass the first time around. Almost 5 out of 10 of the second timers pass. That means that eventually 19 out of 20 pass the test.
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According to the ABP Examiner (which comes out each January and contains the stats pertaining to the boards), here are the pass rates for the past three years:

2009 (overall / first time / repeat):
AP: 76 / 88 / 35
CP: 71 / 85 / 42


2008 (overall / first time / repeat):
AP: 76 / 88 / 44
CP: 64 / 77 / 37

2007 (overall / first time / repeat):
AP: 73 / 86 / 34
CP: 59 / 72 / 24

These numbers are significantly worse than your 9-out-of-10, 5-out-of-10 assertion. Compare them to USMLE pass rates for domestic MD students:

2008 (overall / first time / repeat):
Step 1: 92 / 94 / 61

2007 (overall / first time / repeat):
Step 1: 93 / 95 / 65

So, would you rather be vinegar + water or just straight water?
 
I didn't realize the CP pass rate was that low. Thanks for posting that - good information.
 
Parts Unknown said:
Definitely the giant bag of fluid. Intended for vaginal irrigation, that is.



According to the ABP Examiner (which comes out each January and contains the stats pertaining to the boards), here are the pass rates for the past three years:

2009 (overall / first time / repeat):
AP: 76 / 88 / 35
CP: 71 / 85 / 42


2008 (overall / first time / repeat):
AP: 76 / 88 / 44
CP: 64 / 77 / 37

2007 (overall / first time / repeat):
AP: 73 / 86 / 34
CP: 59 / 72 / 24

These numbers are significantly worse than your 9-out-of-10, 5-out-of-10 assertion. Compare them to USMLE pass rates for domestic MD students:

2008 (overall / first time / repeat):
Step 1: 92 / 94 / 61

2007 (overall / first time / repeat):
Step 1: 93 / 95 / 65

So, would you rather be vinegar + water or just straight water?
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I will be bag full of water with fresh rose petals. OK Step 1 is a bit easier. I think I acknowledged that somewhere above. But take a look at AP in 2008. 88% first timers for AP ~ 9 out of 10. 44% of second timers is about 4 out of 10. So if you had 20 people, 19 would pass after two tries in most sets of 20.

Future exam takers, feel confident. Don't be scared. If you worked hard, you will pass. In fact, even if you didn't work hard, you still got a fighting chance.
 
What an enlightening thread.

Congratulations to all who passed, this is inspirational.
 
pathstudent said:
But take a look at AP in 2008. 88% first timers for AP ~ 9 out of 10. 44% of second timers is about 4 out of 10. So if you had 20 people, 19 would pass after two tries in most sets of 20.
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If you want to cherry pick data and completely ignore the fact that you have to pass CP in order to be considered AP/CP board certified then sure.
 
Parts Unknown said:
If you want to cherry pick data and completely ignore the fact that you have to pass CP in order to be considered AP/CP board certified then sure.
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OK so of out of 20 people in 2008 about 16 would pass CP. Still good enough stats to feel hopeful.

Pathology Residents of Earth, don't listen to Parts Unknown, you are very likely to pass your boards. Be confident. Trust the hard work you have done the last four years.
 
Regardless of the pass rate, becoming board certified in AP/CP is a career milestone and it should be celebrated. I intend to do just that.
 
2121115 said:
Regardless of the pass rate, becoming board certified in AP/CP is a career milestone and it should be celebrated. I intend to do just that.
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Completely agree with that. It is a milestone for sure.

I still just wish I had one of those pre-2007 certificates. I am not looking forward to celebrating every ten years. Plus the cost won't be insignificant when added up for the travel, test fees, and SAMs

Why can't CME/SAMs be free and offered by the board and professional organizations as a way to get their members as the top of their game. Sometimes it just seems like another revenue source.
 
pathstudent said:
Completely agree with that. It is a milestone for sure.

I still just wish I had one of those pre-2007 certificates. I am not looking forward to celebrating every ten years. Plus the cost won't be insignificant when added up for the travel, test fees, and SAMs

Why can't CME/SAMs be free and offered by the board and professional organizations as a way to get their members as the top of their game. Sometimes it just seems like another revenue source.
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Wow, what a way to steal people's thunder, huh? Your colleagues are here to celebrate and you minimize that with your posts. You are just redirecting the attention toward you on every single post in this thread "I wish I didn't, I, I, I. Come on...don't act so surprised.

Congrats on passing everyone! 🙂
 
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