True vs Pseudo Gunners

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I was reading this one day: http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/732051?src=mp&spon=25&uac=153544ET

People have all kinds of definitions for gunners. I'm going to clarify some misinformation. First of all, not all gunners are bad people. There are "pseudo" gunners and then there are "true" gunners. Pseudo gunners are in fact just overachievers that work extremely hard and avoid social colloquialisms while True gunners are as House says, "Cut-throat beotch". If you don't know what the word "pseudo" means yet, then read this thread once you encounter it in med school because otherwise, it's too early.

A pseudo gunner will NEVER talk about grades. They might ask how did you "feel" about a test or something, but they will never ask for the letter grade or number nor will they tell you about their own grade. Pseudo gunners know that grades DIVIDE. They could care less if someone got higher than them because they know what they got and as long as there is room for improvement, gunners will not be satisfied with their own grade. Sure, pseudo gunners can be anal about grades, but their OWN grades. Pseudo gunners don't even like talking about grades before med school because they just don't care.

Second, pseudo gunners will NEVER interrupt a person giving a lecture and/or even ask a question during the lecture. Most of the questions pseudo gunners have require explanations, which would be a waste of the lecture time. Pseudo gunners never waste lecture time (the ones that go to class that is). Pseudo gunners will wait after class and ask the prof. personally the question, email the question, or go during office hours. Pseudo gunners, do, however dislike it when other people in the class ask a question, especially, if the question has the word "repeat" in it. What has been said has been said, if you missed it, then re-watch the lecture. This is how all gunners role.

Third, if a classmate asks a "pseudo" gunner a question, they will ALWAYS attempt to answer the question and will give the best answer from their knowledge. If they don't know the answer to the question, then they will look it up and find the answer and personally explain it to the person who asked. Beware, "True" gunners are the opposite and will actually give incorrect answers. Some do this as a joke, but the joke is just to hide the true intentions. While pseudo gunners offer help, they usually don't ask for it. This is not due to their arrogance or stubbornness, but because they want to find the answer themselves. They might ask you help in terms of information such as what lectures are being taught on a certain day or what's the name of that bald prof, etc.

Fourth, "Pseudo" gunners believe by teaching a concept, they are also proving to themselves that they know that concept. Therefore, pseudo gunners don't mind teaching, but they will almost NEVER study in groups. This is not because pseudo gunners are out to get other students or are extremely competitive, but they study individually much better and get distracted when studying with others. However, some "pseudo" gunners DO study with 1-2 people, but not more.

Fifth, "Pseudo" gunners will sacrifice almost all social and physical activities until after their exams are over. They might go to the gym 1-3 times per week, but that's it. Partying? Hell no. They might have just enough time to eat with some friends, but they will skip out on all parties EXCEPT the one huge party that is right after exams. These pseudo gunners are mistakenly perceived as "nerds" for these kinds of activities. However, this is an assumption since these gunners are only behaving this way b/c of the pressure of med school. Gunners though don't have the patience to prove that they are different to every person, so they get used to the many assumptions.

Sixth, gunners wake up very early in the morning, at around 8 am and keep studying until midnight. That is, if there are no lectures between these hours. They take breaks, but only to eat, piss, and shiit. Gunners don't sacrifice sleep to study more. They will have their 6-8 hours of sleep every day, so they can study more the next day. If a "pseudo" gunner is asked how much they studied today or what they studied, they WILL say the truth. However, "true" gunners, will say that they didn't study or they did not study for a long time.

Seventh, gunners "almost" NEVER complain. Time spent complaining=# of questions missed on exam. The one thing that pisses off gunners the most is when others complain, especially on facebook statuses. If this happens, gunners will usually ignore it or hide the comment. Gunners will not hate you if you complain, but they will hate the comment. Gunners will NEVER say "FML" in regards to something academic OUT LOUD. That is, if they were driving a car and got a flat tire, they will say "FML", but not related to courses or tests. Now to explain the "almost" part in the first sentence. In order for a gunner to have a normal conversation, sometimes, gunners HAVE to complain about something so they are perceived as normal. This is usually if the gunner is having a conversation with the opposite sex.

Eighth, gunners do have a sense of humor, but they will only display it in certain situations. They will not laugh at medical conditions including psychological disorders such as Borderline personality disorder. They will not make jokes about gender, physical appearance, race, or religion ("pseudo" gunners). This might eliminate 70% of the jokes that exist in the world, which is the reason why gunners are perceived to have no sense of humor. True gunners, on the other hand, will joke about anything the normal student will in order to "fit in".

Ninth, in a group discussion or in a anatomy lab, gunners may dominate the discussion. This is not because they are preventing others from talking. If it's a group discussion, then don't think that the gunner needs to "wait". It's fair in love and war. If, however, a question was directed to a particular student, then the pseudo gunner will "wait" for confirmation from the questioner. Sometimes, this confirmation does not occur, so the minimum rule is 5 secs. If the student paused for more than 5 secs, then the pseudo gunner will intervene. If at all, a pseudo gunner involuntarily answered a question as a "reflex", they will "apologize" to the student that the question was directed to. When gunners DO answer questions, they will answer it in a way that they can understand it themselves. When "pseudo" gunners get questions wrong, they will accept it and move on. Pseudo gunners will try a maximum of 2 times to correct an incorrect answer from a student or teacher. After this, the pseudo gunner will shut-up and move on. True gunners will not stop until the correction is made clear and will either call a higher authority (professor of the course) or consult a medical journal and bring a print-out the next day.

Tenth, "pseudo" gunners will NEVER call themselves a gunner, not even to their best friends. They will refer to gunners in 3rd person. They don't care if someone else calls them a gunner, but they DO care about false assumptions or comments made about gunners. They hate to be labeled as a "true" gunner when they have not done so. Pseudo gunners actually believe that the "true" gunners are the ones who accuse others of being gunners as if it was the "Salem Witch trials" – "That guy is a gunner! Burn him!".

Eleventh, "pseudo" gunners believe in "every man/woman for himself/herself". They will not violate the 3rd and 4th rules above, but they also don't ask for other people's resources/notes. They believe that every person worked very hard to make those notes, then it is something that the person who made the notes should keep. "Pseudo" gunners do believe in competition and they do not want to be taken advantage of. They don't care about sharing resources like textbooks, websites, previous year material, etc. but not personal notes. They are not the "self-sacrificing" students who will spend their whole day teaching another student a concept while compromising their own time for studying. They expect the same treatment in return. They believe in a "survival of the fittest", but they will not "cut-down" the competition to get ahead. They, instead, will RISE above it.

Lastly, most pseudo gunners don't like small talk, not during exam time anyways. So if you meet a gunner one day, he/she may say hi to you and then bye. Don't think that the pseudo gunner is avoiding you, but he/she just doesn't have time to talk about how lovely your "shoes" are or how much "fun" you had at the party that the pseudo gunner didn't go to.

This maybe a long @ss list, but these little things do matter. They separate a hard-working student (pseudo gunner) from a cut-throat backstabbing beotch (true gunner). So next time, don't assume that a student is the latter without further observation because there's a HUGE difference. Lastly, why did I spent 20 mins ranting this? Just because I felt like it.

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You have way too much time on your hands.
 
you described me up through 4. 5-11, not at all. people have different ideas about what a gunner is. when i think of the term, i picture some form of sensed competitiveness and desire to "beat" classmates. this is in opposition to people who do well through hard work but depend on and help their classmates.
 
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Every single one except numbers 1 and 10.

I am a true gunner and I am definitely curious about people's scores when they consistently know pieces of information that I don't know.

Each "true" gunner gives a minimum of 5 secs. to other students to answer a question.

I call this "The Gentleman's Pause". :p
 
Did you just really write an entire diatribe on gunnerism?

You could've been studying or even better -- having dinner with friends or going out on a date. Yet you contribute a worthless, subjective wall-of-text to the internetz?
 
Did you just really write an entire diatribe on gunnerism?

You could've been studying or even better -- having dinner with friends or going out on a date. Yet you contribute a worthless, subjective wall-of-text to the internetz?

Had dinner, was taking a break, what does it matter really? Just had one of those moments. Anyways, this is not a diatribe. If you want to see a diatribe, read THIS: http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/732051?src=mp&spon=25&uac=153544ET
 
Dude, get a dictionary. Your "true gunner" is just a hard worker who gets good grades and doesn't put up with silly medical school drama. Those guys aren't considered gunners. They are just the overachievers, the AOA surgical subspecialty types.

In medical school parlance, a gunner is one that backstabs others.

A gunner = the person ruthlessly gunning everyone else in front of them down (even those on the same team).

In M3 year when you do your rotations and start rounding, all this will make sense to you.
 
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Did you just really write an entire diatribe on gunnerism?

You could've been studying or even better -- having dinner with friends or going out on a date. Yet you contribute a worthless, subjective wall-of-text to the internetz?

From the person:
1) Posting on SDN on a friday night.
2) Quoting The Art of Pimping in their signature.
 
Dude, get a dictionary. Your "true gunner" is just a hard worker who gets good grades and doesn't put up with silly medical school drama. Those guys aren't considered gunners. They are just the overachievers, the AOA surgical subspecialty types.

In medical school parlance, a gunner is one that backstabs others.

A gunner = the person ruthlessly gunning everyone else in front of them down (even those on the same team).

In M3 year when you do your rotations and start rounding, all this will make sense to you.

Well that's the thing you see, people mistaken hard workers as gunners. Then, they add a "label" to these hard workers. This is the definition of gunner from urban dictionary, which I DO agree with for the "true" gunner case: "A person who is competitive,overly-ambitious and substantially exceeds minimum requirements. A gunner will compromise his/her peer relationships and/or reputation among peers in order to obtain recognition and praise from his/her superiors."

Nowhere in this definition does it say that the gunner will be to the point of unethical to reach praise. Gunners do compromise relationships and they do want praise from superiors, but the rest of it is all BS assumptions that the med community made.
 
Well that's the thing you see, people mistaken hard workers as gunners. Then, they add a "label" to these hard workers. This is the definition of gunner from urban dictionary, which I DO agree with for the "true" gunner case: "A person who is competitive,overly-ambitious and substantially exceeds minimum requirements. A gunner will compromise his/her peer relationships and/or reputation among peers in order to obtain recognition and praise from his/her superiors."

Nowhere in this definition does it say that the gunner will be to the point of unethical to reach praise. Gunners do compromise relationships and they do want praise from superiors, but the rest of it is all BS assumptions that the med community made.

"...will compromise his/her peer relationships and/or reputation among peers in order to obtain recognition and praise from his/her superiors" = backstabbing and violates your own "true gunner" definition.

You can achieve recognition and praise without doing any of that. The low-key, helpful (tutors others etc), well-liked, hard working medical student who blows everyone else away on the Step 1 is not a gunner, period. You're misusing the English language.
 
"...will compromise his/her peer relationships and/or reputation among peers in order to obtain recognition and praise from his/her superiors" = backstabbing and violates your own "true gunner" definition.

You can achieve recognition and praise without doing any of that. The low-key, helpful (tutors others etc), hard working medical student who blows everyone else away on the Step 1 is not a gunner.

I'm afraid you are referring to the "pseudo" gunner. True gunners don't backstab.

Backstabbing = The action or practice of criticizing someone in a treacherous manner while feigning friendship.

Compromising relationships refers to not having a social life and not trying to win a popularity contest, it's not backstabbing. "True" Gunners have to endure people thinking that it is in fact backstabbing. "True" gunners don't publish their notes that they spent 10 hours a day writing, does that mean they are backstabbers? That is the whole premise of this misconception.
 
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I'm afraid you are referring to the "pseudo" gunner. True gunners don't backstab.

Backstabbing = The action or practice of criticizing someone in a treacherous manner while feigning friendship.

Compromising relationships refers to not having a social life and not trying to win a popularity contest, it's not backstabbing. "True" Gunners have to endure people thinking that it is in fact backstabbing. "True" gunners don't publish their notes that they spent 10 hours a day writing, does that mean they are backstabbers? That is the whole premise of this misconception.

You are just redefining something that has been discussed and defined many times before. What naus is talking about is the classical "true gunner". They are backstabbers and will bring anyone else down to make themselves look better. They steal notes, talk bad about you behind your back, etc.

What you described is not a true gunner according to the pre-set definition, they are probably a well liked student who works really hard. You can try and change the definition of what a gunner is, but most people who have been in this discussion before won't agree. That is why naus is so frustrated. If you want to look at some really good gunner discussion, go look up law2doc's old messages. The crap he saw in law school was ridiculous.
 
a lot of the list describes me, but I don't get good grades haha, I can't even "true" gun if I wanted to, darn.
 
Dude, get a dictionary. Your "true gunner" is just a hard worker who gets good grades and doesn't put up with silly medical school drama. Those guys aren't considered gunners. They are just the overachievers, the AOA surgical subspecialty types.

In medical school parlance, a gunner is one that backstabs others.

A gunner = the person ruthlessly gunning everyone else in front of them down (even those on the same team).

In M3 year when you do your rotations and start rounding, all this will make sense to you.

this.
 
tl;dr

to be a true gunner you gotta have braces
 
You are just redefining something that has been discussed and defined many times before. What naus is talking about is the classical "true gunner". They are backstabbers and will bring anyone else down to make themselves look better. They steal notes, talk bad about you behind your back, etc.

What you described is not a true gunner according to the pre-set definition, they are probably a well liked student who works really hard. You can try and change the definition of what a gunner is, but most people who have been in this discussion before won't agree. That is why naus is so frustrated. If you want to look at some really good gunner discussion, go look up law2doc's old messages. The crap he saw in law school was ridiculous.

Well liked? Haha. Most students cannot differentiate between a hard worker and these pseudo gunners, so they call anyone who works hard a gunner. If it was so clear that gunners were these backstabbing people, why would they have sites called, "Gunner Training" and students saying that they WANT to be gunners?
 
People have all kinds of definitions for gunners. I'm going to clarify some misinformation. First of all, not all gunners are bad people. There are "true" gunners and then there are "pseudo" gunners.

A true gunner will NEVER talk about grades. They might ask how did you "feel" about a test or something, but they will never ask for the letter grade or number nor will they tell you about their own grade. True gunners know that telling grades only divides. They could care less if someone got higher than them because they know what they got and as long as there is room for improvement, gunners will not be satisfied. Sure, gunners can be anal about grades, but their OWN grades.

Second, true gunners will NEVER interrupt a person giving a lecture and/or even ask a question during the lecture. Most of the questions gunners have require explanations, which would be a waste of the lecture time. Gunners never waste lecture time (the ones that go to class that is). True gunners will wait after class and ask the prof. personally the question, email the question, or go during office hours. Gunners, do, however dislike it when other people in the class ask a question, especially, if the question has the word "repeat" in it. What has been said has been said, if you missed it, then re-watch the lecture. This is how gunners role.

Third, if a classmate asks a "true" gunner a question, they will ALWAYS attempt to answer the question and will give the best answer from their knowledge. If they don't know the answer to the question, then they will look it up and find the answer and personally explain it to the person who asked. Beware, "Pseudo" gunners are the opposite and will actually give incorrect answers. Some do this as a joke, but the joke is just to hide the true intentions. While true gunners offer help, they usually don't ask for it. This is not due to their arrogance or stubbornness, but because they want to find the answer themselves. They might ask you help in terms of information such as what lectures are being taught on a certain day or what's the name of that bald prof, etc.

Fourth, "True" gunners believe by teaching a concept, they are also proving to themselves that they know that concept. Therefore, true gunners don't mind teaching, but they will almost NEVER study in groups. This is not because gunners are out to get other students or are extremely competitive, but they study individually much better. However, some "true" gunners DO study with 1-2 people, but not more.

Fifth, "True" gunners will sacrifice almost all social and physical activities until after their exams are over. They might go to the gym 1-3 times per week, but that's it. Partying? Hell no. They might have just enough time to eat with some friends, but they will skip out on all parties EXCEPT the one huge party that is right after exams. These gunners are mistakenly perceived as "nerds" for these kinds of activities. However, this is an assumption since these gunners have a completely different personality once the exams are over. Gunners though don't have the patience to prove this to every person, so they get used to it.

Sixth, "true" gunners wake up very early in the morning, at around 8 am and keep studying until midnight. That is, if there are no lectures between these hours. They take breaks, but only to eat, piss, and ****. "True" gunners don't sacrifice sleep to study more. They will have their 6-8 hours of sleep everyday, so they can study more the next day. If a "true" gunner is asked how much they studied today or what they studied, they WILL say the truth. However, "pseudo" gunners, will say that they didn't study or they did not study for a long time.

Seventh, gunners "almost" NEVER complain. Time spent complaining=# of questions missed on exam. The one thing that pisses off gunners the most is when others complain, especially on facebook statuses. If this happens, gunners will usually ignore it or hide the comment. Gunners will not hate you if you complain, but they will hate the comment. Gunners will NEVER say "FML" in regards to something academic OUT LOUD. That is, if they were driving a car and got a flat tire, they will say "FML", but not related to courses or tests. Now to explain the "almost" part in the first sentence. In order for a gunner to have a normal conversation, sometimes, gunners HAVE to complain about something so they are perceived as normal. This is usually if the gunner is having a conversation with the opposite sex.

Eighth, gunners do have a sense of humor, but they will only display it in certain situations. They will not laugh at medical conditions including psychological disorders such as Borderline personality disorder. They will not make jokes about gender, physical appearance, race, or religion ("true" gunners). This might eliminate 70% of the jokes that exist in the world, which is the reason why gunners are perceived to have no sense of humor.

Ninth, in a group discussion or in a anatomy lab, gunners may dominate the discussion. This is not because they are preventing others from talking. Each "true" gunner gives a minimum of 5 secs. to other students to answer a question. Four seconds might seem like nothing to you, but count from 1-Mississippi to 5-Mississippi and you'll see it is reasonable. If a student pauses for 5 secs after a question, it is then fair game for the gunner to intervene whether the question was directed at the gunner or not. If at all, a gunner involuntarily answered a question as a "reflex", they will "apologize" to the student if the question was directed to him/her. When gunners DO answer questions, they will answer it in a way that they can understand it themselves. When "true" gunners get questions wrong, they will accept it and move on. Gunners will try a maximum of 2 times to correct an incorrect answer from a student or teacher. After this, the gunner will shut-up and move on.

Tenth, "true" gunners will NEVER call themselves a gunner, not even to their best friends. They will refer to gunners in 3rd person. They don't care if someone else calls them a gunner, but they DO care about false assumptions or comments made about gunners. They hate to be labeled as a "pseudo" gunner when they have not done so. True Gunners actually believe that the "pseudo" gunners are the ones who accuse others of being gunners as if it was the "Salem Witch trials".

Eleventh, "true" gunners believe in "every man/woman for himself/herself". They will not violate the 3rd and 4th rules above, but they also don't ask for other people's resources/notes. They believe that every person worked very hard to make those notes, then it is something that the person who made the notes should keep. "True" gunners do believe in competition and they do not want to be taken advantage of. They are not the "self-sacrificing" students who will spend their whole day teaching another student a concept while compromising their own time for studying. They expect the same treatment in return. They believe in a "survival of the fittest", but they will not "cut-down" the competition to get ahead. They, instead, will RISE up to it.

Lastly, most gunners don't like small talk, not during exam time anyways. So if you meet a gunner one day, he/she may say hi to you and then bye. Don't think that the gunner is avoiding you, but he/she just doesn't have time to talk about how lovely your "shoes" are.

Wow, looks like you put a lot of work into writing this. What a shame, because I don't plan on actually reading it.

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Dood, you're insecure, we get it.
 
Dude, get a dictionary. Your "true gunner" is just a hard worker who gets good grades and doesn't put up with silly medical school drama. Those guys aren't considered gunners. They are just the overachievers, the AOA surgical subspecialty types.

In medical school parlance, a gunner is one that backstabs others.

A gunner = the person ruthlessly gunning everyone else in front of them down (even those on the same team).

In M3 year when you do your rotations and start rounding, all this will make sense to you.

exactly
 
A true gunner gets a dermatology residency but has no outside interests to enjoy in this 40 hour/week specialty.
 
I think sometimes it is difficult to tell the difference between a hard worker and a gunner. I think backstabbing is where people tend to draw the line. Gunnerism has a negative connotation, but definitely doesn't have to. If there is no backstabbing, then you should be proud of the success of your fellow classmates and learn from them. One student's gunner, is another's future awesome attending.

P.S. I think the personality type you have described of a "true gunner" may be an ISTJ or ESTJ. These types, especially the ESTJ become leaders in their specialties.
 
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love the ironic original post..

OP, you seem pretty sure of your super-crazy-detailed assessment but all the traits you list are only relevant to pre-clinical med school. gunner traits don't even really come out until clinical years. You come across pretty confident that you know what's up yet don't really seem to have much experience with true gunnerisms ---> questionable insight with a dab of irony.
 
I think sometimes it is difficult to tell the difference between a hard worker and a gunner. I think backstabbing is where people tend to draw the line. Gunnerism has a negative connotation, but definitely doesn't have to. If there is no backstabbing, then you should be proud of the success of your fellow classmates and learn from them. One student's gunner, is another's future awesome attending.

P.S. I think the personality type you have may be an ISTJ or ESTJ. These types, especially the ESTJ become leaders in their specialties.

Oooh I'm an ESTJ :) I better start being a true or at least a pseudo gunner. tl;dr or else I'd know the difference I guess
 
I hate to break it to you OP, and completely bash your Gunner Manifesto, but you are way off.

Your definition of a "true gunner," is just simply a good student.

Your definition of a "pseudo gunner," is a fairly good description of an actual medical school gunner.

n00b....
 
Like others have said, you can't just redefine words in the English language on a whim.

It doesn't stop some people from self-describing themselves as gunners ironically though.
 
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I think sometimes it is difficult to tell the difference between a hard worker and a gunner. I think backstabbing is where people tend to draw the line. Gunnerism has a negative connotation, but definitely doesn't have to. If there is no backstabbing, then you should be proud of the success of your fellow classmates and learn from them. One student's gunner, is another's future awesome attending.

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Ok ok, so I guess I might be changing the English language, but there's no cool word for "Hard worker". Wth calls someone a hard worker? It's either a gunner or not. So you if you want, the "pseudo" gunner would be the "supposedly pre-defined" gunner that most of you are thinking of. The "true" gunner is someone who works diligently, but sometimes is wrongly accused of being a gunner. Happy?

For the rest of you who said "tldr", I'm sure you did very well on the Verbal section.
 
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Ok ok, so I guess I might be changing the English language, but there's no cool word for "Hard worker". Wth calls someone a hard worker? It's either a gunner or not. So you if you want, the "pseudo" gunner would be the "supposedly pre-defined" gunner that most of you are thinking of. The "true" gunner is someone who works diligently, but sometimes is wrongly accused of being a gunner. Happy?

For the rest of you who said "tldr", I'm sure you did very well on the Verbal section.

tldr.

No, not happy. There's no such thing as a "true gunner", you made up the concept and the term. Also, gunners discuss MCAT scores after they've started medical school.
 
tldr.

No, not happy. There's no such thing as a "true gunner", you made up the concept and the term. Also, gunners discuss MCAT scores after they've started medical school.

Then stay unhappy about my made-up term. MCAT doesn't matter once you're in, so obviously.
 
You certainly put a lot of thought into this. With as detailed as you were about this, it seems this may be somewhat autobiographical. Someone call you a gunner?

I haven't met anyone who has tried to mess with other students in order to get ahead. And I'm not overly concerned about the people who push themselves beyond reasonable limits. As long as I survive this while doing as well as I can, I'm okay.
 
way to spend a few thousand words showing that you don't know what the word gunner means.
 
Jokes on you bro, the only people who actually use SDN are gunner. Normal people don't come on here. That being said, I'm on here
 
Maybe "gunner" has a different meaning in the Grenadan language.
 
OP: I don't see a problem with what you are doing. :)

All languages are fluid, and word meanings and connotations change over time.

It is perfectly fine with me if you want to change the meaning of the word "gunner". Start using the word according to your meaning, and persuade people around you to do the same.

Who knows -- maybe in a couple of years you will be right.

To all the people saying that there is a dictionary definition for "gunner": you do realize that the word is not in most dictionaries, right?

:(

Actually, dictionary.com says that:

Slang Dictionary

gunner definition


  1. n.
    an earnest student. (Collegiate.) : The gunners in my algebra class always get the As.



Dictionary of American Slang and Colloquial Expressions by Richard A. Spears.Fourth Edition.
Copyright 2007. Published by McGraw Hill.

So it sounds like a good thing? * confused *
 
a true gunner doesn't waste precious time writing a novella about gunners
 
Replace "I" with "True Gunner," and the post will make sense instantly.
 
a true gunner doesn't waste precious time writing a novella about gunners

That's y I'm not a true gunner.

OP: I don't see a problem with what you are doing. :)

All languages are fluid, and word meanings and connotations change over time.

It is perfectly fine with me if you want to change the meaning of the word "gunner". Start using the word according to your meaning, and persuade people around you to do the same.

Who knows -- maybe in a couple of years you will be right.

To all the people saying that there is a dictionary definition for "gunner": you do realize that the word is not in most dictionaries, right?

:(

Actually, dictionary.com says that:



So it sounds like a good thing? * confused *

Exactly, it's in urban dictionary, which I already talked about above, so I'm not going to repeat myself.

Edit: This thread has become a place to discuss about English connotations than the actual topic. The point of the thread if you don't wish to read all the crap above is that there's a difference between a hard worker and a gunner - simple as that. In order to make sense of this post, I've "switched" the words true and pseudo. I apologize for the ranting and I don't expect you to read all of it.
 
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I was reading this one day: http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/732051?src=mp&spon=25&uac=153544ET

People have all kinds of definitions for gunners. I'm going to clarify some misinformation. First of all, not all gunners are bad people. There are "pseudo" gunners and then there are "true" gunners. Pseudo gunners are in fact just overachievers that work extremely hard and avoid social colloquialisms while True gunners are as House says, “Cut-throat beotch”. If you don’t know what the word “pseudo” means yet, then read this thread once you encounter it in med school because otherwise, it’s too early.

A pseudo gunner will NEVER talk about grades. They might ask how did you "feel" about a test or something, but they will never ask for the letter grade or number nor will they tell you about their own grade. Pseudo gunners know that grades DIVIDE. They could care less if someone got higher than them because they know what they got and as long as there is room for improvement, gunners will not be satisfied with their own grade. Sure, pseudo gunners can be anal about grades, but their OWN grades. Pseudo gunners don’t even like talking about grades before med school because they just don’t care.

Second, pseudo gunners will NEVER interrupt a person giving a lecture and/or even ask a question during the lecture. Most of the questions pseudo gunners have require explanations, which would be a waste of the lecture time. Pseudo gunners never waste lecture time (the ones that go to class that is). Pseudo gunners will wait after class and ask the prof. personally the question, email the question, or go during office hours. Pseudo gunners, do, however dislike it when other people in the class ask a question, especially, if the question has the word "repeat" in it. What has been said has been said, if you missed it, then re-watch the lecture. This is how all gunners role.

Third, if a classmate asks a "pseudo" gunner a question, they will ALWAYS attempt to answer the question and will give the best answer from their knowledge. If they don't know the answer to the question, then they will look it up and find the answer and personally explain it to the person who asked. Beware, "True" gunners are the opposite and will actually give incorrect answers. Some do this as a joke, but the joke is just to hide the true intentions. While pseudo gunners offer help, they usually don't ask for it. This is not due to their arrogance or stubbornness, but because they want to find the answer themselves. They might ask you help in terms of information such as what lectures are being taught on a certain day or what's the name of that bald prof, etc.

Fourth, "Pseudo" gunners believe by teaching a concept, they are also proving to themselves that they know that concept. Therefore, pseudo gunners don't mind teaching, but they will almost NEVER study in groups. This is not because pseudo gunners are out to get other students or are extremely competitive, but they study individually much better and get distracted when studying with others. However, some "pseudo" gunners DO study with 1-2 people, but not more.

Fifth, "Pseudo" gunners will sacrifice almost all social and physical activities until after their exams are over. They might go to the gym 1-3 times per week, but that's it. Partying? Hell no. They might have just enough time to eat with some friends, but they will skip out on all parties EXCEPT the one huge party that is right after exams. These pseudo gunners are mistakenly perceived as "nerds" for these kinds of activities. However, this is an assumption since these gunners are only behaving this way b/c of the pressure of med school. Gunners though don't have the patience to prove that they are different to every person, so they get used to the many assumptions.

Sixth, gunners wake up very early in the morning, at around 8 am and keep studying until midnight. That is, if there are no lectures between these hours. They take breaks, but only to eat, piss, and shiit. Gunners don't sacrifice sleep to study more. They will have their 6-8 hours of sleep every day, so they can study more the next day. If a "pseudo" gunner is asked how much they studied today or what they studied, they WILL say the truth. However, "true" gunners, will say that they didn't study or they did not study for a long time.

Seventh, gunners "almost" NEVER complain. Time spent complaining=# of questions missed on exam. The one thing that pisses off gunners the most is when others complain, especially on facebook statuses. If this happens, gunners will usually ignore it or hide the comment. Gunners will not hate you if you complain, but they will hate the comment. Gunners will NEVER say "FML" in regards to something academic OUT LOUD. That is, if they were driving a car and got a flat tire, they will say "FML", but not related to courses or tests. Now to explain the "almost" part in the first sentence. In order for a gunner to have a normal conversation, sometimes, gunners HAVE to complain about something so they are perceived as normal. This is usually if the gunner is having a conversation with the opposite sex.

Eighth, gunners do have a sense of humor, but they will only display it in certain situations. They will not laugh at medical conditions including psychological disorders such as Borderline personality disorder. They will not make jokes about gender, physical appearance, race, or religion ("pseudo" gunners). This might eliminate 70% of the jokes that exist in the world, which is the reason why gunners are perceived to have no sense of humor. True gunners, on the other hand, will joke about anything the normal student will in order to “fit in”.

Ninth, in a group discussion or in a anatomy lab, gunners may dominate the discussion. This is not because they are preventing others from talking. If it’s a group discussion, then don’t think that the gunner needs to “wait”. It’s fair in love and war. If, however, a question was directed to a particular student, then the pseudo gunner will “wait” for confirmation from the questioner. Sometimes, this confirmation does not occur, so the minimum rule is 5 secs. If the student paused for more than 5 secs, then the pseudo gunner will intervene. If at all, a pseudo gunner involuntarily answered a question as a "reflex", they will "apologize" to the student that the question was directed to. When gunners DO answer questions, they will answer it in a way that they can understand it themselves. When "pseudo" gunners get questions wrong, they will accept it and move on. Pseudo gunners will try a maximum of 2 times to correct an incorrect answer from a student or teacher. After this, the pseudo gunner will shut-up and move on. True gunners will not stop until the correction is made clear and will either call a higher authority (professor of the course) or consult a medical journal and bring a print-out the next day.

Tenth, "pseudo" gunners will NEVER call themselves a gunner, not even to their best friends. They will refer to gunners in 3rd person. They don't care if someone else calls them a gunner, but they DO care about false assumptions or comments made about gunners. They hate to be labeled as a "true" gunner when they have not done so. Pseudo gunners actually believe that the "true" gunners are the ones who accuse others of being gunners as if it was the "Salem Witch trials" – “That guy is a gunner! Burn him!”.

Eleventh, "pseudo" gunners believe in "every man/woman for himself/herself". They will not violate the 3rd and 4th rules above, but they also don't ask for other people's resources/notes. They believe that every person worked very hard to make those notes, then it is something that the person who made the notes should keep. "Pseudo" gunners do believe in competition and they do not want to be taken advantage of. They don’t care about sharing resources like textbooks, websites, previous year material, etc. but not personal notes. They are not the "self-sacrificing" students who will spend their whole day teaching another student a concept while compromising their own time for studying. They expect the same treatment in return. They believe in a "survival of the fittest", but they will not "cut-down" the competition to get ahead. They, instead, will RISE above it.

Lastly, most pseudo gunners don't like small talk, not during exam time anyways. So if you meet a gunner one day, he/she may say hi to you and then bye. Don't think that the pseudo gunner is avoiding you, but he/she just doesn't have time to talk about how lovely your "shoes" are or how much “fun” you had at the party that the pseudo gunner didn’t go to.

This maybe a long @ss list, but these little things do matter. They separate a hard-working student (pseudo gunner) from a cut-throat backstabbing beotch (true gunner). So next time, don’t assume that a student is the latter without further observation because there’s a HUGE difference. Lastly, why did I spent 20 mins ranting this? Just because I felt like it.

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Dude, get a dictionary. Your "true gunner" is just a hard worker who gets good grades and doesn't put up with silly medical school drama. Those guys aren't considered gunners. They are just the overachievers, the AOA surgical subspecialty types.

In medical school parlance, a gunner is one that backstabs others.

A gunner = the person ruthlessly gunning everyone else in front of them down (even those on the same team).

In M3 year when you do your rotations and start rounding, all this will make sense to you.
Word. Smart + diligent != pseudo gunner.
 
Word. Smart + diligent != pseudo gunner.

Ah, someone who speaks boolean. Okay, then lemme explain:

Pseudo=false=fake.

Hence, by saying what you said, != pseudo = true. I think what you meant to say was: Smart + diligent = pseudo gunner, which would be correct.
 
Ah, someone who speaks boolean. Okay, then lemme explain:

Pseudo=false=fake.

Hence, by saying what you said, != pseudo = true. I think what you meant to say was: Smart + diligent = pseudo gunner, which would be correct.
Touche, but you've set me up with a false dichotomy. Smart + diligent = a smart and diligent student. There is no "gunner" anywhere in the description.
 
Touche, but you've set me up with a false dichotomy. Smart + diligent = a smart and diligent student. There is no "gunner" anywhere in the description.

Well pseudo gunner=false gunner=not a gunner. By saying the above, it's like saying 2=2, which is obvious, but it's harder to grasp that someone smart+diligent = not a gunner=pseudo gunner i.e. 2=sqrt(4)
 
Well pseudo gunner=false gunner=not a gunner. By saying the above, it's like saying 2=2, which is obvious, but it's harder to grasp that someone smart+diligent = not a gunner=pseudo gunner i.e. 2=sqrt(4)
When was the last time you felt the warm touch of a <insert gender you're attracted to>?



Besides, pseudo does not mean "not a ...." It means it's pretending to be something.
 
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